Going all the way to level 5 on the fudge technologies? It might be safe, but that's still five years of research for our Cruiser team that will never be applicable to anything but this one design. We could spent three years of general Cruiser research, do Fudge technologies that go no higher than level 2, and do it in about the same amount of time but with technology that will be applicable to all future Cruisers as well.
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Going all the way to level 5 on the fudge technologies? It might be safe, but that's still five years of research for our Cruiser team that will never be applicable to anything but this one design. We could spent three years of general Cruiser research, do Fudge technologies that go no higher than level 2, and do it in about the same amount of time but with technology that will be applicable to all future Cruisers as well.
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LET ME QUICKLY CLARIFY WHAT THAT IS
When calculating battle results, when a ship reaches 0 Hp, it makes a Hull test vs the average weapon strength of the attackers to see if it flips to "Destroyed" or "Disabled". Destroyed means you don't get your ship back and there are penalties for crew survival. Further, it triggers a Warp Core Breach test.
That 50% is the chance used for that Warp Core Breach Test.
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thats if they hit 0 hull i believe
edit: ANNNND ninja gm strikes again
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What about it?Yeah, that doesn't work. Remember, the ship looks like this:
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Most of the applicants who enter the Academy sane come out nuts. Most of the ones who come out of the Academy sane end up as redshirts, soaking up damage so the MCs don't have to. The few that actually make it to fleet rank inevitably become antagonists.
You're basically reusing the hull of a constellation. The Constellation hull looks nothing like the Renaissance. Thus, those can't be the right hull parts. I've been assuming it has a saucer section of size 2.00 and secondary hull section of size 1.33. The saucer looks enough like the Centaur saucer that it might be the same, but @OneirosTheWriter hasn't provided us with the Centaur saucer's size. The secondary hull looks like nothing currently in our fleet, so it must be a new part. A part that we'll have to design from scratch.
To put this another way, if you reuse hull parts the ship ends up looking like it's made of those hull parts. Your design would look like a Constellation, not a Renaissance.
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Noooot exactly. If Memory Alpha is to be believed:
Current in-quest time is the fall of 2306, which means the design is 80 years old, give or take.http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Constitution_class said:
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Here is an updated version of the Oberth-II.
As long as it performs like the Renaissance, it won't matter what it looks like.
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You realize that this doesn't fundamentally alter the substance of his argument, yes? As long as the stat-line remains the same, age is basically irrelevant.
especially in Starfleet, who KNOW how to make a ship last.
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Fair enough.
If we ever produce this thing, we should come up with a better name... How about the UbeTwo?
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Yeah.
By making sure you store your models in a cool, dry place away from sunlight
Can we name ship refits differently than the original?
how about the Pioneer?
Yeah.
By making sure you store your models in a cool, dry place away from sunlight
Hey, you gotta keep the Tal'Shiar out of your shit somehow.
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So made and copied some stuff from a spreadsheet comparing the three potential refits.
So yes, per Defense value (or combat, since in all three C=D), the Constitution is cheaper than the Centaur, but the Constitution is actually more expensive in resource value than the Constellation. With the caveat that the Constellation refit is still rather fragile
On the other hand the Centaur has the lowest crew requirements by a significant amount and only takes two years to build.
We also have something like 6 constellations, 3 centaurs, but only one Constituion, so for a bunch, we'll be paying a discounted refit cost rather than the full cost of the ship.
Refit Centaur 2308-Now [315m 800k t]
C- S+1 H- L+1 P+1 D+1
Cost[15br, 15sr, 1 years], Crew [O-, E-, T-]
Refit Constellation 2284-2370 [310m 700k t]
[+1 C,S,D, for 20br, 10sr, 1 Year (4 turns)]
So yes, per Defense value (or combat, since in all three C=D), the Constitution is cheaper than the Centaur, but the Constitution is actually more expensive in resource value than the Constellation. With the caveat that the Constellation refit is still rather fragile
On the other hand the Centaur has the lowest crew requirements by a significant amount and only takes two years to build.
| Constitution | Centaur | Constellation | |
| C | 5 | 3 | 4 |
| S | 3 | 3 | 3 |
| H | 3 | 2 | 2 |
| L | 4 | 3 | 2 |
| P | 3 | 3 | 2 |
| D | 5 | 3 | 4 |
| br | 100 | 80 | 70 |
| sr | 80 | 70 | 40 |
| O | 3 | 1 | 2 |
| E | 4 | 2 | 4 |
| T | 4 | 2 | 2 |
| build | 3 | 2 | 3 |
| Br/D | 20 | 26.66667 | 17.5 |
| SR/D | 16 | 23.33333 | 10 |
| O/D | 0.6 | 0.333333 | 0.5 |
| E/D | 0.8 | 0.666667 | 1 |
| T/D | 0.8 | 0.666667 | 0.5 |
| Br/C | 20 | 26.66667 | 17.5 |
| SR/C | 16 | 23.33333 | 10 |
| O/C | 0.6 | 0.333333 | 0.5 |
| E/C | 0.8 | 0.666667 | 1 |
| T/C | 0.8 | 0.666667 | 0.5 |
Refit Centaur 2308-Now [315m 800k t]
C- S+1 H- L+1 P+1 D+1
Cost[15br, 15sr, 1 years], Crew [O-, E-, T-]
Refit Constellation 2284-2370 [310m 700k t]
[+1 C,S,D, for 20br, 10sr, 1 Year (4 turns)]
Well, again, so what?
I find a knife to be a useful tool even though metal knives are a technology that is thousands of years old and knives in general have been in use by humans for close to a million years, give or take.
If the Connie B is the a cost effective solution to a problem we have now, then it is a cost effective solution.
If the Connie B is the solution best able to perform well with current doctrines, it is the solution best able to perform well with current doctrines.
Whether it is old or not really doesn't say anything about how useful it is.
Now, researching squadron tactics and cranking out a few updates Constellations and backing them up with some Centaurs is another valid approach to take, so it's not like the Connie B is the only approach we could take. We could also find ways to jack up sr production fast over the next few years so we can afford to pump out enough Centaurs. But however we approach this, we have a need for more defensive ships and we need to plug the gap somehow.
Now that is gorgeous. Those reliability numbers are amazing!
What happens if you lower its combat and increase its shields or hull?
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heh, you guys have me wanting to play with the sheet. @OneirosTheWriter can you shoot me a link?
The canon names for the variants of the Obreth are:
*Clarke class
*Gagarin class
*Sagan class
The Sagan class being the largest Obreth variant, and also the one designed to be the most tough and fighty (the Obreth class is 120m while the Sagan was supposed to be 180m).
I therefore submit that we might consider "Sagan class" as an appropriate name for the UbeOne Obreth II.
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Come time to replace the Oberth I suspect we will long debate whether it's supposed to fill a modern cruiser or even an modern escort role in addition to being a dedicated science ship. But we may also have far better techs by that point.
Personally, I think it needs more than 5 Science.
Personally, I think it needs more than 5 Science.
You're overstating the effect of the doctrine, I think. The Lone Wolf Doctrine mostly helps Explorers. The Constitution -B isn't an Explorer, it's a slightly oversized cruiser. It's only 200k bigger than our modern-ish escort. The Lone-Wolf doctrine help with ship fighting alone, but I don't think we should be sending the Constitution-B into skirmishes unsupported. The only ship that we should be doing that with is the Excelsior.