I have this sneaking suspicion that the ICS has a relatively small amount of systems ... and their idea of a properly developed colony system has higher overall development level than most home systems.

Everything mineable? Installations deployed. Everything terraformable? Operations in progress. Naturally habitable planets? Planet wide colonization.

Defense grids? On par with standard homeworlds.

None of this silly colonize one region business.

Their actual home system? Everything colonized, orbitals everywhere, and a defense grid rated to chew up and spit out 100C+ fleets without any mobile assets supporting it.

Edit: Does this sound right?
 
The ultimate turtles. For the invaders, it's like being at the wrong end of a tower defense game. :V
 
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It sounds like the ISC isn't going to be particularly interested in expanding into the Gabriel Expanse. Grabbing at most one worthwhile system on its edge and then exploiting it for the next 100 years sounds more like their speed.

I wonder if their list of crises includes a bad experience with time travel. Did they accidentally nearly wipe out their own history at least once?

If they were this much pre-designed in advance, I can't help but wonder what would have happened if the Courageous had blown its First Contact rolls.
 
Those ISC posts were lovely guys!

A brute force clash in the next year or two is unlikely to go well for them. Their fleet mainstay is outdated. Their flagship heavy cruisers are only slightly better. Their combat frigates are better than ours, but that just isn't an answer to our fleet of excelsiors and now rennies. Assuming our spinward member and affiliate fleets are a match for their clients, a brawl between Starfleet and the CDF isn't looking good for the latter.

I expect the cardassians will be refitting their jalduns and/or rolling out a new ship within that time frame, but until they've done that the advantage is ours.

That information is outdated. Sure, we'll get new info when Oneiros writes it, but he's a busy man who has more fun writing Captains Log posts rather than Intel reports.


Yay!

 
It sounds like the ISC isn't going to be particularly interested in expanding into the Gabriel Expanse. Grabbing at most one worthwhile system on its edge and then exploiting it for the next 100 years sounds more like their speed.

I wonder if their list of crises includes a bad experience with time travel. Did they accidentally nearly wipe out their own history at least once?

If they were this much pre-designed in advance, I can't help but wonder what would have happened if the Courageous had blown its First Contact rolls.
Probably.

It's also possible the Cardassians will try their thing, assume they're dealing with a minor based on size, launch an attack ... and suffer horribly because the ISC is so compact that any attack force gets hit with the vast majority of the ISC fleet.
 
It's also possible the Cardassians will try their thing, assume they're dealing with a minor based on size, launch an attack ... and suffer horribly because the ISC is so compact that any attack force gets hit with the vast majority of the ISC fleet.

The Cardassians are no fools. They would never blindly attack without first getting a handle on what kind of war they're starting.

I do feel like the ISC is stealing a little bit of the Ked Peddah's "hat" in the caution department.
 
Interestingly one of the most valuable things we can offer the ISC is information. Their "insanely prepared" hat works best when they know what they might potentially face. All those crazy events from past EC missions all the way back to the days of our earliest explorers, all the "saved the Federation" incidents, well, the ones that aren't mega-classified, they would be invaluable intelligence to the ISC planners on what could potentially be the galaxy's next attempt at extinction. Plus a big manual of potential solutions. Also, "I survived X" is a cultural thing for them, so swapping stories is probably on the diplomatic niceties list for any diplomatic team.

Definitely send Vulcan diplomats.

In comparison to informational trade, other sharing like technology or cooperative ventures is more likely to be treated very cautiously.

I also look forward to mercantile trade as there is finally a major power out there that doesn't think we're bad ugly cowards, but that will happen much much later as we develop in the direction of Vail or the northern GBZ. Thawing relations with the Romulans and Klingons should also be interesting re: trade, if we can keep them up. It seems evident that by the time of TNG, the Federation and Klingons did have treaties that allowed them to freely pass through each others' space.
 
We're lucky that the ISC isn't the prickly "attack all foreigners potential threats/invaders on sight" type.

Edit: What they'd probably do is to find out everything they can about their neighbors, and come up with contingency plans in case the xenos aliens foreigners turn on them.
 
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Also, a special note to @Simon_Jester! Your omakes where Leslie interacted with Gaeni engineers was the initial inspiration that got me thinking "Hmm, wouldn't it be funny to put Leslie on the other side of that exchange? Recklessness, all this bad and weird shit happening all the time, yes, I can work with that..."
 
Wow, nice coordinated post, everyone.

EDIT: Oooh, and Vulcan-style ring nacelles!
I'm not sure that they actually are. The same general shape, yes, but look here. The blue warp lines are at right angles to each other.
The Ironsides might actually be closer to a 6 nacelle design where the nacelles happen to be curved until they touch compared to the Vulcan ring design with seems to set the main body of the ship inside a single extra large and carefully balanced warp coil.
If that is the case, then I'd expect that the Ironsides can also operate in two and four nacelle configurations in an emergency. Contingencies all the way down.
 
Okay. Well. On an entirely unrelated note, I've got one and a half chapters of Dreams about ready. They tilt over to the surrealistic side a bit like Chapter N with Worf, but what can I say; it's a story that pounds on my head wanting to be written, so it's what I do.



I'm not sure that they actually are. The same general shape, yes, but look here. The blue warp lines are at right angles to each other.
The Ironsides might actually be closer to a 6 nacelle design where the nacelles happen to be curved until they touch compared to the Vulcan ring design with seems to set the main body of the ship inside a single extra large and carefully balanced warp coil.
If that is the case, then I'd expect that the Ironsides can also operate in two and four nacelle configurations in an emergency. Contingencies all the way down.
Hm. Maybe. That's a fair point.

Leslie would have caught that after half a lifetime helping to build ships, but I didn't.

Although a six-nacelle design is something unusual in its own right; in my headcanon such ships may have existed, but are little or no more common than ring nacelles.

Also, a special note to @Simon_Jester! Your omakes where Leslie interacted with Gaeni engineers was the initial inspiration that got me thinking "Hmm, wouldn't it be funny to put Leslie on the other side of that exchange? Recklessness, all this bad and weird shit happening all the time, yes, I can work with that..."
Aw, thanks!

You wanna write it? PM me. Let's roll. We just need a Commonwealther ambassador in Sol or something. Just bear in mind, I reserve the right to use my semi-exhaustive memory of TOS plots to go "yeah, that reminds me of the time we" on anything even vaguely similar to a Commonwealther experience. ;)

Leslie's not reckless. He's just been with the ship that stared down the galaxy until it blinks, and decided, well. I'll PM you the quote that really encapsulates his attitude towards the terrors of the universe; it has potential for the omake and I wouldn't want to spoil.

It sounds like the ISC isn't going to be particularly interested in expanding into the Gabriel Expanse. Grabbing at most one worthwhile system on its edge and then exploiting it for the next 100 years sounds more like their speed.
We might be able to bring them in and have them negotiate for a reasonable 'bite' of the territory along with the Cardassians. Probable worst case, we end up in a contest against Cardassia to warm the Commonwealth's hearts with diplomacy, a task at which we excel. Probable best case, they feel obliged to us for negotiating them an expansion zone that we're prepared to guarantee the security of, AND which (by their standards) is something like half again if not double their existing territory.

I wonder if their list of crises includes a bad experience with time travel. Did they accidentally nearly wipe out their own history at least once?

If they were this much pre-designed in advance, I can't help but wonder what would have happened if the Courageous had blown its First Contact rolls.
I'd think their most likely response would have been to turtle and wait for us to come to them. Anything likely to convince the ISC they have to take the risks of going on the offensive would be badly out of character for a Federation ship, as opposed to, say, a Klingon or Cardassian ship.

The Cardassians are no fools. They would never blindly attack without first getting a handle on what kind of war they're starting.

I do feel like the ISC is stealing a little bit of the Ked Peddah's "hat" in the caution department.
Well, that's not too bad, and we can differentiate hats later. I mean, the Klingons have a 'warriors' hat, and so do the Amarki and so do the Sydraxians, but that doesn't cripple them.
 
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Omake - Dreams Ch 6 - Simon_Jester
Dreams
Chapter Six

Recommended Listening: Enterprise

Captain's Quarters
USS Enterprise?


Nash ka'Sharren had come back to her Enterprise that first happy day- and then woke troubled after that first night, fearing a possibility she hadn't even imagined. Not since the first moment she left the chair at the end of her joyous decade as captain, to the instant she came back to the ship as a flag officer. The thought had never once crossed her mind, until she awoke from her first night back aboard the starship.

What if the dreams didn't come back?

At first, they didn't. Then they did. The rhythms of shipboard Starfleet life, subtly different from those aboard Riala a few years earlier, wrapped themselves around her and whispered "Welcome." As they did, and as the strains of war settled in on Nash's heart, the visitations returned to her- a vision in Starfleet red and golden tresses, with Cherenkov-blue eyes and a song that could have brought back the dead for one last dance with her.

A vision that now leaned, seeming only close to happy, against the bulkhead by the door to her bedroom.

"At least the worlds have a better reason to wonder, this time." She wasn't sure, but she thought she sensed satisfaction on the face of her dream, as though one haunted by an old ghost had been set free.

Nash shuffled a toe on the covers, still uncertain. "I don't know if it's for the best. Hope so, but... I think we accidentally broke the Arcadian Empire. I was not expecting their emperor to be with this fleet."

"Definitely a surprise. But I don't think even Bones could put him back together now, so now what do we do?"

"I don't know. Maybe I should talk to that warlord we captured, the one from the cruiser with the torpedoes."

"Those were... a thing." Her dream flexed her jaw. "Nasty right cross, she had with those. When can I have some?"

"Get in line, angel; I'm sure the Torpedo Fairy will deliver one of these days." Nash winked.

"I suppose. So, you'll talk to him? Keep your radar up around him. He's the good kind of captain too, and he's beaten but not broken."

"Mhm." Nash nodded. There was a long silence.

Nash beckoned, and her dream sat down at the foot of the bed. The commodore tilted her head, looking at the expression on the adventuresome spirit's face. Not so adventuresome, today; her features had slumped second by second. Something was wrong.

"Why so glum?"

"I don't know for sure. Something's coming. It's big, and it worries me. I... I almost know what, but I can't get a line on it. But I know a few things." She smiled. "You're one of the best things that's ever happened to me, and you deserve all the best. It's been wonderful having you back. And I know..." A more serious expression unfolded around faintly shining blue eyes. "I know that so help me, I will not break your heart like I broke Jim's. Promise me you'll find someone to stick with. Someone that doesn't have a warp core."

Nash couldn't bring herself to say anything, but in these moments of dream, her ship- or her flagship- knew her as well as she knew the Excelsior. A promise that she couldn't bear to speak, passed wordlessly to the dream of her ship, or the ship of her dreams.

The vision in Starfleet red smiled at Nash- sadly, this time, but a smile. "Thanks."

She wanted to stay with her ship. She wanted to chase the stars. Those weren't the only things she wanted out of life, but they were so much of what she knew. What could she ever find, that would ever be a fair trade for giving that up?

And now, the spirit of her one true ship called on her- called lovingly, but did so all the same- called on her to look for the answer to that question.

She sighed, "I can't say you're welcome..."

Her dream stepped close. "I understand. Just... make sure to be a happy woman whether you're aboard me or not. I'm not saying 'never sail.' I'd never say that. Not to you."

Nash's eternal refuge, banter, came to her rescue. "You know you couldn't keep me away. I'll keep turning up like a bad penny, right in the middle of your next five-year mission. It'll be fun!"

The spirit of Enterprise smiled sadly. "Mm. I hope so. But... this war isn't over. Just remember that whatever happens to either of us, I love you."

There was another long silence, rather warmer. Then blonde tresses swayed as the Earthly spirit tilted her head. She sounded- abstracted, with a strange echo to her voice for a moment. "Nash? Something's happening. Something big."

That thing you were worried about?"

"Um. Not that big. But plenty big enough. And Leaniss is caught in it, and she needs your help."

Nash felt fear gripping her. Unfamiliar fear. Most of the closest friends of her life were in safe places during this war, or still right here aboard the Enterprise where she could keep an eye on them. That wasn't so frightening. She'd always found a way to save everyone, eventually, whatever it cost her. She could do it again.

But the thought of danger to the other ships her old team had moved on to, to Renaissance and Torbriel and others, that hit her where she lived. How could she save her- her friends, she thought firmly, suppressing one or two images... How could she save them, if they weren't on the same ship with her where she could keep an eye on them?

Swallowing a lump of alarm and getting control of herself, Nash asked the obvious question. "Wait- what's happening to Leaniss?"

"Remember what we said to each other, nine years ago, about hewing our way to Valhalla? Something like that."

Control cracked. Ice spiked in Nash's belly. "Wait. You said Valhalla was an old Earth afterlife. You don't mean-"

"Nonono!" Her vision waved hands, realizing what poor choice of words had done to her onetime captain. "Not exactly like that. Just... um, it's complicated. Anyway. She needs your help. And... hm. tell me. To save her life, would you hijack me and run off to the far corners of the galaxy with me and a few true and loyal friends?"

Nash flushed, though on an Andorian that just meant turning a deeper shade of blue. "Um. Erm." She was pretty sure she knew why her cherished dream was asking the question.

"You so would." She was smiling broadly, wickedly, at Nash now. "Perfect. Let's get you ready. First, you'll need a favor."

"A... favor? Wait, what are you talking about?"

"You be the kickass spaceship captain, I'll handle the witchy mystery stuff. Trust me. It's for your own good, and hers." The smile was still there.

"Okaaay, but what do you mean 'a favor?' "

The tall blonde tilted her head, smiling as the light in her eyes ebbed and rose. "Don't you remember your lessons? An old Earth fashion. And an Amarki one. You'll be in for a fight, and I'm not letting you into that mess without my favor on your arm." And she reached up, pressing something to Nash's upper arm with an almost electric sensation. She looked down as her dream's hand pulled away from her sleeve.

It was her- no, it was Sam's patch. But if Sam's it was, then for now, that didn't matter. The NX-01 patch adhered to her uniform jacket like it had been woven into the fabric at the factory.

"This isn't mine, anymore." Nash felt obliged to force the words out.

"For tonight, it is. And something else of mine, besides. We've got a couple more things to take care of, before you can help her fight her battle. But they'll have to happen on our bridge-" her dream grinned at her once again- "not in your bedroom."



Main Bridge
USS Enterprise?


"If this is a battle, what kind of fighting is it going to be?" Nash frowned. She did not, in her usual dreams, carry weapons- but her lady of the stars gestured grandly as the door to the bridge slid open. They passed through, carried on a few paces.

Then the spirit answered. "I've got just the thing!" She turned, took two steps back to the turbolift door, which opened for her. She reached to the floor, picking up-

"A sword?" Nash tilted her head quizzically.

"Trust me. This is exactly what you need, captain mine." The blonde came back, to belt the scabbarded weapon around Nash's waist.

Lightly her fingers brushed the hilt, and strangeness flared up her arm. She looked curiously at her love. "Let me take a look." Smiling, the vision with the glowing eyes stepped back, and Nash drew the blade.

It was an Earth weapon, with subtle differences from any Andorian sword. And yet the balance shifted a bit in her hand, and a bit more, until it felt just like her favorite practice ushaan-tor from home, the one that had gotten lost when she packed for Starfleet Academy. And an ushaan-tor wasn't even vaguely shaped like an Earth sword. She should probably have found that more suspicious, but it just made the whole thing seem more right, somehow.

"Do you like it?" Her dream looked almost eager. "I got it off a Klingon back in '85."

"But it looks Terran. Don't Klingons usually make their swords... curlier? Spikier?"

"I miiiight have spent a lot of time pounding on it to get it into shape." She smiled oddly. "I keep it for special occasions."

Nash let the blade sway a little, experimentally. She'd practiced in gym as a girl, of course. Kept up with some of the basics of swordswomanship- with long blades as well as the shorter ones Andorians favored. She'd moved on to more than the basics, after Leaniss came aboard in '01. She knew the rules.

One of the rules was, swords don't care. They don't want to swing themselves. They're just appropriately shaped hunks of metal.

That rule had just changed.

That old, plain-looking sailor's cutlass sang in her hand and mind, all joyous fire and ferocity and devotion. Almost before she could complete the thought, the blade was up in guard position. She turned away, looking across the width of the bridge, and tried a traditional exercise- knowing she was out of shape for it, and that didn't matter as she flowed through the rhythm of steel with a fluidity that was more than natural.

She turned back, looking at her love. "Is it- real?" Nash asked, wonderingly.

"As real as me." Spirits could blush, Nash had concluded years ago. This one did.

"It's real, then." She smiled, feeling that old tilt creep into the set of her lips as she saw the blush widen.

"Sure. And that means that now, you're ready."

"Ready for what? What am I supposed to do?"

"Help Leaniss. Be who you are, and kick ass. Just like old times- or new ones." The spirit's smile was an enigma, this time.

Abruptly she walked over to the communications console. There was a shimmer at her dream's ear, a signals earpiece like the ones they'd still used in the older corners of the fleet when she was a fresh young ensign. The blonde vision twisted a finger against the earpiece, frowning, then nodded and spoke.

"Enterprise to Renaissance. Oo's an adorable little cruiser, 'oo are, yes 'oo are,. Ahem. One ready for transport. Request permission...? Copy that, d'aww..."

There was no shimmer of transporter motes from a site-to-site beamout. Something much stranger happened. Her love of the stars stepped away from the control board, picked Nash up bodily and kissed her lightly on the cheek. She then slung the Andorian around like a discus thrower, and hurled the squawking commodore away, through some unfathomable, incalculable dimension.

The universe swirled into blackness, then into redness.
 
It sounds like the ISC isn't going to be particularly interested in expanding into the Gabriel Expanse. Grabbing at most one worthwhile system on its edge and then exploiting it for the next 100 years sounds more like their speed.

I wonder if their list of crises includes a bad experience with time travel. Did they accidentally nearly wipe out their own history at least once?

If they were this much pre-designed in advance, I can't help but wonder what would have happened if the Courageous had blown its First Contact rolls.

It probably wouldn't be awful, because they don't seem likely to take offensive actions in general. So the chances of another Sydraxian situation are slim. What would happen is we confirm their bias that everyone else is crazy, and they slink back into sullen isolationism. So it'd be a lot harder getting diplomats in the door, but they wouldn't go around raiding our shipping and trying to kill us, because they don't go in for that sort of aggression.
 
Hm. Maybe. That's a fair point.

Leslie would have caught that after half a lifetime helping to build ships, but I didn't.

Although a six-nacelle design is something unusual in its own right; in my headcanon such ships may have existed, but are little or no more common than ring nacelles.

I assume that this is one of those points where 'Fleet Intelligence is going over everything and arguing it all out. And there are models being made up about what would happen in both cases.

I expect footnotes about what might happen in the more 'energetic' situations too. "Scans of exposed drive elements are, as always, recommend to be conducted with the long range sensor array when done prior to shut down." That sort of thing.

I'm also pretty sure that the Arcadians use a six nacelle design, but I can find the ship drawings right now. There's a potential study in different design philosophies leading to common design elements in there somehwere.


Also, also: Ooh... More Dreams.
 
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