lbmaian
a thirsty squirrel
Can we not call the potential new engineer ship the "<class>-E"? That's nearly as bad as the Constellation-P thing.
I dearly hope we're not calling the new hospital ship the Renaissance-H. That's just silly.
To Boldly Go... (a Starfleet quest)
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Can we not call the potential new engineer ship the "<class>-E"? That's nearly as bad as the Constellation-P thing.
I dearly hope we're not calling the new hospital ship the Renaissance-H. That's just silly.
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We did aim to have Excelsior capable shipyards in each of the then four member home systems (specifically mentioning Andor and Tellar). That doesn't particularly imply anything about shipyards in future member systems though. Nor would an ambition of a pre-predecessor be particularly binding even if it did, particularly considering the shipyard projects for some home systems don't even come with an Excelsior capable berth and that the Ambassador is only a few years away, after which there won't be any new EC Excelsiors.
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Actually it makes sense in this case because it denotes their 'job'.
The Constellation-P sounded stupid because it was basicly saying the 'Pacifists made me!'
"Each member system" is starting to seem like an awfully big commitment. For now I'd be happy expanding an existing yard a little. Maybe that Apinae yard.
However, it doesn't make any sense because we're using only the basic frame in common with existing ships. The Engineering ships we're building now are not Ranger-class vessels despite using the Ranger frame. Nor will our new Hospital ships be Renaissance-class ships.
AKuz
Been Better
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Then we chip away at it. One new yard per year. A little 1mt yard maybe. Something like that.
Yeah but the Hospital ship is different enough to be a different class of ship alltogether-I think it even has it's own name, something like Mercy or Hope class. Which is fairly typical for kitbash ships, right? Put a new saucer on a existing set of nacelles, and you get a different ship, not a refit.
Personally, I'm fine with whatever Engineering wants within reason for now. When we get Replicators however, I want to look into building a 'mobile dock' class of vessels, which will probably require either an Ecelsior or Ambassador type stardrive for their massive payload.
On the Klingon Romulan Conflict
- Location
- Australia
Malcolm Reed Auditorium, Starfleet Tactical Command, San Francisco
Pathe Lathriss is one of only a very few to jump from foreign service to Starfleet service so late in life. But it is impossible to say the move was not a successful one as he stands with a Vice Admiral's starburst on his crimson jacket. The Rigellian-made cape settles smoothly around his arms, the ceremonial knife of his people sits comfortably on his thigh. Blue skin on red, he cuts a stark figure at the front of the auditorium as Councillors and Diplomatic Service leadership file into the room. It is an illustrious crowd, and he cannot help but wonder how it came to be that a young man with dreams of knighthood out of the countryside of Leas Akaam could stand here with the representatives of so many species gathered together in peace. His life has taken an amazing path.
"Honoured Councillors, distinguished guests, everyone, I welcome you to this briefing on the Klingon-Romulan War," says Vice Admiral Lathriss as he steps up to the lectern. "While we are not directly involved, I trust we can all agree that when two magnetyrants come to blows on our doorstep, it compels us to count the banners."
The lights dim at the back and the viewscreen flashes up with a map of the galaxy centred on great blocks of emerald and ruby, both emblazoned with the crests of old foes. A wave of names and key positions flows across the screen. "Alright, now I trust that those representatives who are from the spinward side of the Federation have read up on the foundation material of the history that we provided," says Lathriss as he turns to the viewscreen. "Now this war has been waged for a little more than a year, with both sides being increasingly cagey as it becomes clear that the Federation will not be bogged down in Arcadian space like they hoped. However, with pending commitments, we might see one side or another tilt at their foe."
Four names are brought into the foreground, each straddling the border between the two powers. "Now, everything is being focused into three main fronts, plus some skirmishing further out to the tailward zone. Closest to us is the Iberius Front, named for the Iberius System on the Romulan side of the border, which is the most at-risk of the major systems. In the centre is the Paskan front, for the Paskan Quasar. The last of the major fronts is the Iw'lojmIt front, or 'Blood Gate', for a red-hued nebula that covers the area. Beyond that is the loose 'Frontier' zone. If you look down at your data padds, you will see some additional details presented."
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Iberius Front
Combatants
Heavy on both sides, the largest concentration of larger combatants. Close to the Federation border, it is difficult for either side to manage stealth attacks
Key Objectives
The Iberius System - A Major Romulan World, with one of the largest shipyards outside of Romulus
The Vinum Starbase - The Gateway to the Iberius system, a tough obstacle
The Ginok Pah System - A heavily reinforced outpost protecting Tholinium mines
The Hadab System - The Starbase that controls the shipping lanes back to Qon'os
Momentum
Klingon Empire Advantage
Paskan Front
Combatants
Medium - the Romulans recently reinforced this sector from their reserves after the loss of a major mining colony known as Alixros
Major Objectives
Pompara - One of the major worlds, has been raided on a couple occasions
Mothidum - A minor colony with strong outposts, hub of the Paskan Front for the Romulans
Alixros - Originally a major Romulan colony, now captured by the Klingons, and the Romulans place a high priority on retaking it
Path'loq - A Klingon system with civilian shipyards
Slight Klingon Advantage
Blood Gate Front
Combatants
Light Forces - With the masking presence of the nebula, it is easy for cloaked ships to cause mayhem, executing ambush and counter ambush
Major Objectives
Ocutis Starbase - The last major stronghold left in the sector, which must be held
Aniak System - A former Romulan Research colony, now destroyed, but which the Romulans would dearly like to recapture
The Latch - A key system near the centre of the nebula that offers the best sensor vectors on the rest of the nebula - It was captured from the Romulans in the recent Klingon push
Beta Kornak - The hub of Klingon activity at the base of the nebula
Heavy Klingon Advantage
Frontier
Slight Romulan Advantage
============
"As you should be able to see, so far the Klingons have been on the attack," explains Vice Admiral Lathriss. "Now, both sides are doing their best to preserve forces while making attacks. On the attack, they are darting and probing, especially with Birds of Prey from both sides operating as cloaked wolfpacks. The Klingons have been the more willing to force battles and capture systems, but even there, they are not being reckless. There is no honour, apparently, in dying like an idiot in a Romulan trap. The Romulans, meanwhile, seem more intent on using their heavy fleet assets like the Devoras Heavy Warbird to defend systems and launch limited counterattacks. Ever since the disaster on the Praxis moon, they have had an edge in industry over the Klingons, and the long the war wears on, the more they can make of that."
The viewscreen changes to show a variety of civilian ships. "Now, to that end, the Romulans are also focusing on raiding. Both of them are doing it, but the Klingons are more focused on bases, defences, and infrastructure. But the Romulans ... to explain what the Romulans are doing, we need to look at how effectively every power in our area of the galaxy handle their supplies. Rather than one giant uncoordinated mess, every power divides their spacelift by task. We call them 'Loops', where cargo ships and freighters are assigned to a particular task."
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Feeder Loop
Purpose: All of the resources from mining colonies and other sources must be brought to the major worlds. Also delivers support to minor colonies.
Targeting: Reduces the amount of raw material arriving and disrupts minor colonies.
Trunk Loop
Purpose: Trade is exchanged between the Major Worlds, distributing emergency items, luxury items, and other goods.
Targeting: This causes shortages of important items on major worlds, causing a collapse in support.
Industrial Loop
Purpose: Refined Resources are exchanged between industrial hubs and shipyards to be converted into ship components, and assembled into parts.
Targeting: In addition to costing resources, this can cause delays in ship construction as necessary components need to be remade.
Supply Loop
Purpose: Resources are distributed to ships in the field, often by delivering them to starbases and outposts, or by visiting ships themselves.
Targeting: Can reduce combat or hull values of ships, or even force them to withdraw from an area to where they can get supplies.
=============
"The aim of the Romulans is to overextend the Klingons, while further cutting their industrial base and ability to transport resources. Whereas the Klingons are looking to hit transfer between major worlds to undermine support for the Romulan Senate. As a result of all the wolf-pack operations, however, there are constant little skirmishes appearing, sometimes deep behind the fronts. A Klingon advanced Bird of Prey even destroyed a Freighter on within the Romulus system and then escaped. Now, both sides are, in addition to war ships, building extra cargo ships as fast as they can. This is part of why we ask member world fleets to try to maintain their extra cargo capacity, as when a wartime economy kicks in, and you have to transport so many more resources, and then you lose a few cargo ships, you have find yourself facing shortfalls quickly."
Pathe Lathriss is one of only a very few to jump from foreign service to Starfleet service so late in life. But it is impossible to say the move was not a successful one as he stands with a Vice Admiral's starburst on his crimson jacket. The Rigellian-made cape settles smoothly around his arms, the ceremonial knife of his people sits comfortably on his thigh. Blue skin on red, he cuts a stark figure at the front of the auditorium as Councillors and Diplomatic Service leadership file into the room. It is an illustrious crowd, and he cannot help but wonder how it came to be that a young man with dreams of knighthood out of the countryside of Leas Akaam could stand here with the representatives of so many species gathered together in peace. His life has taken an amazing path.
"Honoured Councillors, distinguished guests, everyone, I welcome you to this briefing on the Klingon-Romulan War," says Vice Admiral Lathriss as he steps up to the lectern. "While we are not directly involved, I trust we can all agree that when two magnetyrants come to blows on our doorstep, it compels us to count the banners."
The lights dim at the back and the viewscreen flashes up with a map of the galaxy centred on great blocks of emerald and ruby, both emblazoned with the crests of old foes. A wave of names and key positions flows across the screen. "Alright, now I trust that those representatives who are from the spinward side of the Federation have read up on the foundation material of the history that we provided," says Lathriss as he turns to the viewscreen. "Now this war has been waged for a little more than a year, with both sides being increasingly cagey as it becomes clear that the Federation will not be bogged down in Arcadian space like they hoped. However, with pending commitments, we might see one side or another tilt at their foe."
Four names are brought into the foreground, each straddling the border between the two powers. "Now, everything is being focused into three main fronts, plus some skirmishing further out to the tailward zone. Closest to us is the Iberius Front, named for the Iberius System on the Romulan side of the border, which is the most at-risk of the major systems. In the centre is the Paskan front, for the Paskan Quasar. The last of the major fronts is the Iw'lojmIt front, or 'Blood Gate', for a red-hued nebula that covers the area. Beyond that is the loose 'Frontier' zone. If you look down at your data padds, you will see some additional details presented."
============
Iberius Front
Combatants
Heavy on both sides, the largest concentration of larger combatants. Close to the Federation border, it is difficult for either side to manage stealth attacks
Key Objectives
The Iberius System - A Major Romulan World, with one of the largest shipyards outside of Romulus
The Vinum Starbase - The Gateway to the Iberius system, a tough obstacle
The Ginok Pah System - A heavily reinforced outpost protecting Tholinium mines
The Hadab System - The Starbase that controls the shipping lanes back to Qon'os
Momentum
Klingon Empire Advantage
Paskan Front
Combatants
Medium - the Romulans recently reinforced this sector from their reserves after the loss of a major mining colony known as Alixros
Major Objectives
Pompara - One of the major worlds, has been raided on a couple occasions
Mothidum - A minor colony with strong outposts, hub of the Paskan Front for the Romulans
Alixros - Originally a major Romulan colony, now captured by the Klingons, and the Romulans place a high priority on retaking it
Path'loq - A Klingon system with civilian shipyards
Slight Klingon Advantage
Blood Gate Front
Combatants
Light Forces - With the masking presence of the nebula, it is easy for cloaked ships to cause mayhem, executing ambush and counter ambush
Major Objectives
Ocutis Starbase - The last major stronghold left in the sector, which must be held
Aniak System - A former Romulan Research colony, now destroyed, but which the Romulans would dearly like to recapture
The Latch - A key system near the centre of the nebula that offers the best sensor vectors on the rest of the nebula - It was captured from the Romulans in the recent Klingon push
Beta Kornak - The hub of Klingon activity at the base of the nebula
Heavy Klingon Advantage
Frontier
Slight Romulan Advantage
============
"As you should be able to see, so far the Klingons have been on the attack," explains Vice Admiral Lathriss. "Now, both sides are doing their best to preserve forces while making attacks. On the attack, they are darting and probing, especially with Birds of Prey from both sides operating as cloaked wolfpacks. The Klingons have been the more willing to force battles and capture systems, but even there, they are not being reckless. There is no honour, apparently, in dying like an idiot in a Romulan trap. The Romulans, meanwhile, seem more intent on using their heavy fleet assets like the Devoras Heavy Warbird to defend systems and launch limited counterattacks. Ever since the disaster on the Praxis moon, they have had an edge in industry over the Klingons, and the long the war wears on, the more they can make of that."
The viewscreen changes to show a variety of civilian ships. "Now, to that end, the Romulans are also focusing on raiding. Both of them are doing it, but the Klingons are more focused on bases, defences, and infrastructure. But the Romulans ... to explain what the Romulans are doing, we need to look at how effectively every power in our area of the galaxy handle their supplies. Rather than one giant uncoordinated mess, every power divides their spacelift by task. We call them 'Loops', where cargo ships and freighters are assigned to a particular task."
============
Feeder Loop
Purpose: All of the resources from mining colonies and other sources must be brought to the major worlds. Also delivers support to minor colonies.
Targeting: Reduces the amount of raw material arriving and disrupts minor colonies.
Trunk Loop
Purpose: Trade is exchanged between the Major Worlds, distributing emergency items, luxury items, and other goods.
Targeting: This causes shortages of important items on major worlds, causing a collapse in support.
Industrial Loop
Purpose: Refined Resources are exchanged between industrial hubs and shipyards to be converted into ship components, and assembled into parts.
Targeting: In addition to costing resources, this can cause delays in ship construction as necessary components need to be remade.
Supply Loop
Purpose: Resources are distributed to ships in the field, often by delivering them to starbases and outposts, or by visiting ships themselves.
Targeting: Can reduce combat or hull values of ships, or even force them to withdraw from an area to where they can get supplies.
=============
"The aim of the Romulans is to overextend the Klingons, while further cutting their industrial base and ability to transport resources. Whereas the Klingons are looking to hit transfer between major worlds to undermine support for the Romulan Senate. As a result of all the wolf-pack operations, however, there are constant little skirmishes appearing, sometimes deep behind the fronts. A Klingon advanced Bird of Prey even destroyed a Freighter on within the Romulus system and then escaped. Now, both sides are, in addition to war ships, building extra cargo ships as fast as they can. This is part of why we ask member world fleets to try to maintain their extra cargo capacity, as when a wartime economy kicks in, and you have to transport so many more resources, and then you lose a few cargo ships, you have find yourself facing shortfalls quickly."
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- Central Standard Time
I believe that replicators and mass-fabrication techniques are not capable of fabricating SR-heavy ships. In fact, I'm 90% sure that the Kadeshi can't fabricate shields.
I seriously doubt we will be able to make a mobile dock class.
A large dedicated ship-carrier, yes, but not a dock.
Perhaps something like this, but in space.
- Location
- Australia
I think I could feel my creativity falling out of the sky during that one 
- Location
- Central Standard Time
Well.
This is interesting.
Ah.
How big is the advantage?
A preview of the logistics system.
I approve.
This is also a preview of what Wolf Pack and Base Strike will help us with.
Thors_Alumni
Proud member of Thors Class VII from Liberl
- Location
- Liberl Zemuria.
If only we could use cloaking device's. We could do the same thing to the Cardassians.
(JK) Maybe if we ask nicely the Klingons and Romulans will lend us some for our own war with the Cardassians when the time comes.
(JK) Maybe if we ask nicely the Klingons and Romulans will lend us some for our own war with the Cardassians when the time comes.
- Location
- Australia
I dunno if this idea has any support, but...
I'm partial to the idea of Amarkia as our second shipbuilding center. It's a safe industrial hub with a total of 8 berths (half Starfleet auxiliary, half Amarki, though only a quarter 2.5mt+), and we're duplicating critical infrastructure here already. The Starfleet Amarkia shipyard snakepit option would increase that to 10 berths, and maybe all the infrastructure in the area would make such a shipyard amenable to UP-style expansion.
(In contrast, Sol currently totals 13 berths, all but 2 berths being Starfleet.)
edit: Oh damn, I forgot UESPA are expanding their Luna shipyard with 2x3100kt berths, so that would ultimately total 15 berths in Sol. Human ambition
You have my vote.
Basically a plan to Expand Amarkia over the next decade to reach parity with Starfleets berths in Sol.
The extra 1mt berths can be used to soak up expansion we would have made anyway, and the extra push to address engineering issues.
UbeOne
Daydreaming CPU
- Location
- Philippines
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- She/Her
Our captains have ways to hide their ships without using cloaks.
- Location
- Australia
Don't worry, there's a Romulan Admiral out there shaking her fist and declaring she has not yet begun to fight.
UbeOne
Daydreaming CPU
- Location
- Philippines
- Pronouns
- She/Her
She uses the callsign "Akuz".
AKuz
Been Better
- Location
- A Rising Tide of Horrors
- Pronouns
- She/Her
Little do you know, but at THIS VERY MOMENT I have a half completed Omake about a Romulan Cpmmander and her pair of shitty D7s performing a raid on a Klingon occupied system and Its much larger contingent of Klingon defenders.
Thors_Alumni
Proud member of Thors Class VII from Liberl
- Location
- Liberl Zemuria.
She likes to pretend to just a simple Tailor. When in reality she is both a sub par spy and a Admiral who is very good at her job but sucks at spying.She uses the callsign "Akuz".
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I have to admit, it does look like what I would expect if the Prussians fought ancient Rome.
The
EDIT: Now to figure out what Wenlai and Renhadd Son of Gramm are up to.
lbmaian
a thirsty squirrel
Well, now I'm glad we continued gathering intel on the Klingon-Romulan war. This is basically a preview of a Federation-Cardassian war.
- Multiple theaters/fronts of war, each functioning like a "lane" (as in MOBAs)
- A large and practical example of offensive doctrines (and defensive doctrines) in action
- Logistics target priorities
That last in particular has some political implications for us. I can now not only see the hawks being allied with the development faction on increasing cargo capacity; I can also see a lot of bickering on which logistics loops such cargo capacity should be prioritized for.
edit: Actually yeah, "wartime economy" doubling economic output implies a lot more cargo capacity requirements, so yeah, that's a hawk priority.
- Multiple theaters/fronts of war, each functioning like a "lane" (as in MOBAs)
- A large and practical example of offensive doctrines (and defensive doctrines) in action
- Logistics target priorities
That last in particular has some political implications for us. I can now not only see the hawks being allied with the development faction on increasing cargo capacity; I can also see a lot of bickering on which logistics loops such cargo capacity should be prioritized for.
edit: Actually yeah, "wartime economy" doubling economic output implies a lot more cargo capacity requirements, so yeah, that's a hawk priority.
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UbeOne
Daydreaming CPU
- Location
- Philippines
- Pronouns
- She/Her
Prussians, or Cathaginians? Rapid attacks and morale-reducing strikes sound like Hannibal's thing.
AKuz
Been Better
- Location
- A Rising Tide of Horrors
- Pronouns
- She/Her
Why a Romulan Omake when I've committed myself to a series of Sydraxian ones?
Because it turns put that for all my prose proficiency I can't write rap battles and am now stalled out creatively.
WHO KNEW THAT RAP WERE HARD?!?!?!
Because it turns put that for all my prose proficiency I can't write rap battles and am now stalled out creatively.
WHO KNEW THAT RAP WERE HARD?!?!?!
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- Central Standard Time
It's not a treaty violation if (a) the treaty hasn't been signed yet, and (b) we don't develop it because they give it to us.
Amarkia would make a great second fleet hub.
High alert travel time is 10 LY/week. Emergency is 20 LY/week.
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Travel time table from proposed Amarki Forward Industrial Center
| Destination | Regular | High | Emergency |
| ----------- | ------- | ---- | --------- |
| Apinae | 5 | 2.5 | 1.25 |
| Aelin | 5 | 2.5 | 1.25 |
| Collie | 6 | 3 | 1.5 |
| Grizzi | 6 | 3 | 1.5 |
| Indoria | 7 | 3.5 | 1.75 |
| Lapycorias | 8 | 4 | 2 |
| Rethelia | 9 | 4.5 | 2.25 |
| Hacitorus | 10 | 5 | 2.5 |I have tried to make the routes follow the supply lines - Amarkia - Leas Akaam - Apinae - Collie, for example. I believe one week could be shaved off of the Collie, and half a week off of Apinae if ships did not have to follow the routes.
As a side note: BBCode tables are the worst.
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