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To Boldly Go... (a Starfleet quest)

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cast2007 said:
The only serious candidates would be Chen or thr Head of R&D. The Head of Ops is too Junior and I think that the Chief of Staff would be like the Head of the Explorer Corps a springboard to one of the big three or a Theater Command.
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Ah. Right. Almost forgot about the Ops reorg.

That'll be nice for VADM slots.
 
Our current chief of staff has held the position for a very long time; he's not springboarding because if he were, he'd have been a more common contender for our recent re-filling of Tactical ('09), Shipyard Operations ('12), and Operations ('13 or '14).

Basically, if he doesn't get the commander's slot, expect him to retire from sheer exhaustion and old age in the reasonably near future. Sadly, the same may be true of Sulu and for that matter Uhura; longevity tech doesn't mean immortality.
 
Ok, no idea what Oneiros will do regarding individual retreat rules. But here is some analysis of our force:

Looking at what might have happened if individual retreat was switched on for our ships (I have not taken the time to go over the Arcadian forces - their Frigates all got away before the battle lines reached the stations, the stations shouldn't be able to escape, so it would just be working out if the Cruisers had orders to hold at all costs.)

For our ships, looking at USS Endurance (disabled), USS Sojourner (disabled) and UES Jupiter (held together with duct tape and prayers). USS Thunderhead (destroyed) was one-shot when her shields failed, so individual retreat rules could not come into play.

If the ships were set to <50% hull - retreat:

USS Endurance (Excelsior)
Part of the Heavy Metal force, joined battle on turn 135
Took a critical shield hit on turn 152
Lost shields on turn 164
<50% Hull on turn 271 - at this time had lost 0-1-0 crew.
From this point on, Endurance did another 3.89 damage and lost another 4-1-1 crew.
Endurance took just 1 hit between this time and the shot that killed her.

USS Sojourner (Excelsior)
Part of the Heavy Metal force, joined battle on turn 135
Took a critical shield on turn 189, loosing shields and Reaction sub-system.
<50% Hull on turn 242 - Warp sub-system out for 19 turns!! <<<<< no retreat until repaired anyway.
From this point on, Sojourner did another 2.23 damage and lost 1-1-2 crew.
Sojourner was fired on 4 times (1 evasion) before taking the fatal hit.

UES Jupiter (Constellation)
Part of the Vanguard force, joined battle on turn 80
Took a critical shield hit on turn 351, also reducing ship below 50% hull and knocking out the Sensor Sub-system.
From this point on Jupiter did another 5 points of damage and lost 1-1-0 crew.
Jupiter was fired on twice more before battle end.

Jupiter actually had better performance than both of the Star Fleet Explorers when heavily damaged.

In my opinion, all three of these ships should have attempted to fall back, as there was no need for them to remain in the battle line. Sojourner lost Warp capability, so she would not have been able to retreat until that was fixed - we probably still would have lost her. Even just getting Endurance out of the battle line would have saved us a large portion of our crew losses.
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SynchronizedWritersBlock said:
I'm honestly surprise we haven't had to fight off a coup yet given how often it happened in canon.

Please don't take this as a suggestion :V
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I recall one in Undiscovered Country and another in DS9, was there more?

cast2007 said:
The only serious candidates would be Chen or thr Head of R&D. The Head of Ops is too Junior and I think that the Chief of Staff would be like the Head of the Explorer Corps a springboard to one of the big three or a Theater Command.
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The Chief of Staff started as the Old Guard head of Intel so he has been around the block, and has been chief of Staff to both of the heads of Starfleet.
 
What amount of damage did the ships absorb after the 50% threshold, including regen and damage over their zero hull mark?

e: Yeah, ch'Tharvasse has been around for eons. He was a Rear Admiral under Rogers, got shifted out of Old Guard and was Kahurangi's Chief of Staff, and if he outlasts Sousa will have been Sousa's only Chief of Staff and had a comparably long career to Sousa herself.
 
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Void Stalker said:
I recall one in Undiscovered Country and another in DS9, was there more?



The Chief of Staff started as the Old Guard head of Intel so he has been around the block, and has been chief of Staff to both of the heads of Starfleet.
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THere was that mind control parasite in early TNG...

Though coup attempts by Starfleet appear to happen when radical officers begin to beleive the Federation is in imminent mortal peril due to political inaction or complacecancy. That is definately not the case right now.

Perhaps if we get forced to peace out in a war with the Cardassians due to war support collapsing in the members, we might see acoup attempt.
 
Simon_Jester said:
Basically, if he doesn't get the commander's slot, expect him to retire from sheer exhaustion and old age in the reasonably near future. Sadly, the same may be true of Sulu and for that matter Uhura; longevity tech doesn't mean immortality.
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Just how old do people get in the 24th century? McCoy was 137 at the beginning of Next Generation (2364), which if that was old but not incredibly old age on average, retirement might be about 2/3rds that, or about 90. This is 50 years sooner, making him 87, close to that theorized retirement age, and McCoy looked about two decades older than Sulu or Uhura in the series.
 
This is really for a different franchise, but somehow this song feel a bit Trek-like. Granted, the Federation isn't "trying to find home", but I could see this played to some scenes of (early space exploration) Trek.



EDIT: It'd fit the Kadeshi, escorted by the Stargazer.
 
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I'm voting for ch'Theravasse for next Admiral personally. He's got the most time in rank, and his bonus will probably be diplomacy related right when the moratorium ends. Plus it means we don't have four-five human admirals in a row, which might annoy a few people. Also, this quest has had a severe shortage of cool Andorians since Nash lost a lot of her screen time and we could do with fixing that.
 
Sorry man, Sulu all the way for me. Man is a glutton for punishment, being the Commander of Starfleet, and then later Federation President in canon.
 
I'll see what each one offers but I'm probably going to back Sulu on this one. ch'Theravasse and ch'Vohlet haven't really been seen much where as Sulu has done a lot for Starfleet. I also like the thought of Chen as commander after Sulu.

I can understand the pushback we might get for the constant human commanders we have had at the top level but each time we're picking the best of the best in Starfleet and since humans made up such a big part of it (around this time, as theorized over many pages of this thread) it makes sense that their would be a larger number of humans at the top as they worked up in the ranks.
 
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I'm hoping for Sulu this round, and if ch'Tharvasse stays with us then him next time.
 
JesseJ said:
I'll see what each one offers but I'm probably going to back Sulu on this one. ch'Theravasse and ch'Vohlet haven't really been seen much where as Sulu has done a lot for Starfleet. I also like the thought of Chen as commander after Sulu.
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Well you actually won't see what each one offers.... Based on last time we picked an Admiral we don't get told the potential Admiral abilities of the candidates in advance.

I'm going to go with Sulu too. The man apparently has the ability to pull miracles out of his butt at will. I mean, he planned the entire Anoxa operation we just did.
 
I have to admit I haven't seen the benefits of Chen in command of Starfleet. Comparing her career, her actions on-screen, and the things she's accomplished, to what has been required of our two Admirals thusfar, I don't see that good a fit. We'll see, though. Maybe she needs a new department to shine.

Sulu on the other hand is ridiculously qualified, based on both his official duties (Earth Spacedock, Explorer Corps, Tactical) and the things that we've seen him do on-screen, which included such incredible things as informing the politically-connected Admiral of a brewing political crisis, recruiting the Klingons to fight alongside of the Romulans, and schmoozing with the Council on Sousa's behalf despite being VA Tactical, one of our least political positions.

I would agree that his main competitor is probably ch'Thervasse, who has understudied both of our Admirals and is a deft hand at politics and at intelligence. The problem is that Sulu is a defter hand.
 
So looking back at the last time we had a choice:
[ ] Vice Admiral Valentina Sousa
Human Female, 61
Time in Rank, 16 Years

[ ] Vice Admiral Heidi Eriksson
Human Female, 65
Time in Rank, 7 Years

[ ] Vice Admiral Lachlan Ablett
Human Male, 65, 14 Years

[ ] Vice Admiral Rinias ch'Vohlet
Andorian Chan, 60
Time in Rank, 6 Years

Ablett and Erickson are retired and may not come back. Sulu will have had time in rank know as will Shey ch'Tharvasse. Uhura and Chen are VA but I don't think they have TIR at the VA level to qualify.
 
Chen will have TIR, she was put in 2311.Q1 and the required TIR is ~4 years, she'll have 5 or 6 when Sousa retires. It's Linderley (the forgotten VA) and Uhura who won't have TIR.

e: And Vice Admiral Sotak, Vice Admiral T'Faer, Vice Admiral John Harriman, and Vice Admiral Viraan zh'Dohlen, who were all appointed as part of Uhura's new SFOps structure.
 
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