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On the other hand...
Baron Kortennon: "You want us to share the fruits of our most advanced, most dangerous, most cutting-edge technology with you? Very well, but in return..."
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On the other hand...
Baron Kortennon: "You want us to share the fruits of our most advanced, most dangerous, most cutting-edge technology with you? Very well, but in return..."
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My problem with this hypothetical is that it requires the Romulans to be both cartoon supervillains, cartoonishly incompetent (this is not unusual, given the biophage) and willing to give away their main edge to a relatively young power, which I would find grossly out of character.
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They shared cloaking technology with the Klingons just fifty years ago. Not even a generation in the past, as they experience it.
For all that the Romulans like to see themselves as prudent and cautious, they do have an unfortunate tendency to go off on madcap plots that backfire horribly. Hell, the entire Federation/Romulan war falls under that category if the events leading up to it are even remotely similar to what we saw in ENT.
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At which point the secretive, highly suspicious Tal Shiar (especially if they don't want their heads going up on pikes if anyone finds out) reply "the road is closed, have fun with the Ked Paddah."
Let's not get so locked in to how the Romulans theoretically could be backing the Licori that we entirely forget the arguments for why they would NOT necessarily do so.
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I doubt the Romulans wpuld just luridly give away advantages willy nilly.
However.
However, loaning a cloaking device with Romulan engineers and advisors to the Licori would be within the Tal Shiar's wheelhouse.
Especially when, after the last ditch weapon is loaded aboard, the Romulans space every last Licori, steal the weapon, and claim that they prevented a dishonorable terror attack on their new best friends who should totally give them browny points for spending in the upcoming war with the Klingons.
However.
However, loaning a cloaking device with Romulan engineers and advisors to the Licori would be within the Tal Shiar's wheelhouse.
Especially when, after the last ditch weapon is loaded aboard, the Romulans space every last Licori, steal the weapon, and claim that they prevented a dishonorable terror attack on their new best friends who should totally give them browny points for spending in the upcoming war with the Klingons.
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Okay now see THAT is more like it.
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that would actually be really clever, they get some credit with the federation, make it known they have had dealings with the Licori in just about the least damaging way, and make off with an unstable super weapon they can either try and make something useful out of or shoot at the Klingons.
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Anyway, enough about the Romulans that may or may not be patronizing the Licori, and more about the one that is definitely posting in this thread.
It seems like with a little extra injection of idealism, the Young Turks and Occupy Sydrax could compromise with each other on their not-too-dissimilar goals and sweep away the Hierarchy factions in a landslide. That would probably be the ideal outcome for us.
The problem, of course, is that with the Blue Heirarchy currently acting as an interim government, the Sydraxians are still the same polity that joined the Ashalla Pact, so the Treaty of Celos still applies. Any actions we take are going to have to be either very covert, conducted via proxy, or (ideally) both. There's also the issue that this hypothetical new regime would probably have little continuity with the old one, so things are probably going to be chaotic for at least a few years.
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That would make sense, and I hope you're right. This would probably be a best-case scenario for the Federation, since the Kortennons' ace in the hold would be neutralized before they even used it.
Unless, of course, the Tal-Shiar plot goes haywire when the mentat figures out what they're plotting and the Licori crew end up being the ones who space the Tal Shiar agents first. That could happen, though hopefully in such a case the cloak would self-destruct and take the ship with it when it detects no Romulan life signs aboard....assuming the mentat didn't plan for that as well. I guess it comes down to how many levels deep the "you know, I know" game between the Tal Shiar and the mentat went, and who went one level deeper.
It seems like with a little extra injection of idealism, the Young Turks and Occupy Sydrax could compromise with each other on their not-too-dissimilar goals and sweep away the Hierarchy factions in a landslide. That would probably be the ideal outcome for us.
The problem, of course, is that with the Blue Heirarchy currently acting as an interim government, the Sydraxians are still the same polity that joined the Ashalla Pact, so the Treaty of Celos still applies. Any actions we take are going to have to be either very covert, conducted via proxy, or (ideally) both. There's also the issue that this hypothetical new regime would probably have little continuity with the old one, so things are probably going to be chaotic for at least a few years.
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That would make sense, and I hope you're right. This would probably be a best-case scenario for the Federation, since the Kortennons' ace in the hold would be neutralized before they even used it.
Unless, of course, the Tal-Shiar plot goes haywire when the mentat figures out what they're plotting and the Licori crew end up being the ones who space the Tal Shiar agents first. That could happen, though hopefully in such a case the cloak would self-destruct and take the ship with it when it detects no Romulan life signs aboard....assuming the mentat didn't plan for that as well. I guess it comes down to how many levels deep the "you know, I know" game between the Tal Shiar and the mentat went, and who went one level deeper.
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Now THAT's thinking like a Romulan.
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Just to be clear, we're talking about the same Romulans who thought they could conquer Vulcan with three military transports, then blew them up with all the troops inside when they realized they wouldn't work. Those Romulans?
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But do you do bespoke suits?
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They still didn't rely on putting their operations in the hands of Mentat Dikhed and Baron Pedonnen. It was pretty much an all Romulan operation. That's the real dealbreaker for me in this possible scenario. They don't like using catspaws that they have no direct influence over.
On the other hand, I honestly doubt it's the Romulans because Oneiros wouldn't be quite so cagey if this was just yet another Romulan plot. I expect some other canon race.
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Its the Sotaw. Those sneaky fuckers.
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Honestly one of my pet concerns has been the Licori inventing TNG-era technologies ahead of schedule; that's reflected in the omake I've been working on, but I wouldn't be surprised if the Korannons Kortennons pull out something analogous to the Breen energy-drain weapon out of their hats. Though hopefully less massively effective, since that was defeated only by serendipity.
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They arguably already have. The sun-destabilizer is a pretty clear precursor to the trilithium supernova bomb.
I'd buy it!
Oh yeah, those assholes.
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The Changelings are already among us!
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I'd worry about the Ferengi, except I can't really see the Ferengi making this situation much worse than it already is. They'd happily sell deadly technology, but if they HAD very deadly technology they'd probably be using it for their own profit. Especially since there are a number of comparatively helpless species in the general area to coreward of Licori space.
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The original concept for the Ferengi was for them to be a credible adversary.
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There is one species that shows up in multiple series that I have not seen mentioned... the Ferengi.
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I could easily see the Ferengi buying weapons from the Licori in order to sell them to someone else.
That would even explain the scientific arms race going on between the houses. They're competing against each other to get the best deals from the Ferengi. They haven't told us about this because they think that if the Gaeni knew about the Ferengi tech market, they would get yet another competitor.