I'll be sure to cry that the sky is falling when expensive, high risk, questionable reward, overly ambitious deals are rejected by a Council in the future.
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I'll be sure to cry that the sky is falling when expensive, high risk, questionable reward, overly ambitious deals are rejected by a Council in the future.
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If you want to twist my words around to that degree, I don't think there's any reason to continue to interact with you.
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See it that way:
Sousa had an idea.
She asked her various commanders what they think of the idea.
She asked the representants of the political factions what they think of the idea.
It turned out most people didn't like it and it wouldn't be worth pursuing the idea.
So it gets retracted.
Completly harmless. And certainly better than trying to push a problematic project at any costs. We just had a good omake what that can lead to, with our pre-predecessor.
For starters; what? We aren't Sousa's command team or anything. Unless I've missed something major we are Sousa.
Aside from that though you are completely wrong on what people are backing out. Almost everyone agrees that pacifist's deal is a fairly good use of PP. The problem is that after seeing Linderly's and Sulu's comments on the security issue people decided they were right and that it was too big of a risk. Well that and seeing the overall reception of the council ranging from "meh" to "hell no!".
Sousa is far more likely to get fired if she pushes an unpopular agenda through the Council than if she quietly lets an unpopular suggestion die before it can get past the talking stage.
You have to watch how SWB and I do it. We were the ones backing the proposal in Snakepit with slightly varying versions, and now we can't back away fast enough. Yrillians? What's a Yrillian? I don't even know! :lol
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Ambitious is okay IF we pick a a deal with support.
Given the in thread disagreements on the deal, it isn't too surprising that there was resistance.
Given the in thread disagreements on the deal, it isn't too surprising that there was resistance.
I mean, if the Yrillians want to work in the Federation, they can already do so within existing frameworks. It's not like we'd turn a trade ship away if it passed inspection, right? They just have to apply for the correct permits and wait the requisite twenty-four months for their trade certificate and work visas to be approved. The delays for background checks for every member of the work gang are unfortunate, but one of the downsides of applying in a group. The tariffs are really quite reasonable too.
Godwinson
"Well, I've got nothing."
Sure, he calls up an old friend from a previous assignment to ask them if they could do him a favor...
Gear
Set Moon to Ramming Speed!
Really? Because I remember the security issues coming up in the debates.
A lot.
But people accepted the risks, and voted for it. Linderly and Sulu told us nothing that we didn't already know and exhaustively debate in the lead up.
No, that's just an excuse. The reason this is being rejected is because it's not cheap enough.
So let me amend my earlier hyperbolic statement.
"I'll remember to only support cheap deals in the future"
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[X] Retract the proposals (0pp)
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...you must be remebering a Mirror Universe version of this discussion, because I don't remember us discussing the security aspects of the proposal.
Edit:Granted, we probably SHOULD have thought of it, and it would have likely changed the approach on the idea, but oh well
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Nervos Belli
Don't think this means you've won!
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You mean you have the ability to determine the pp cost of a deal before Oneiros writes it? That's amazing! How do you do it?
Derek58
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I wish we had telepathy like that available when we were dealing with the Syndicate.
AKuz
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You Peeps are being a little uncharitable.
There is nothing wrong with @Gear being a little salty and grumbling when things haven't gone as planned. It's just how things go sometimes. There is nothing wrong with it.
No need to start spreading the salt around and piling it up for a fairly minor thing all told.
There is nothing wrong with @Gear being a little salty and grumbling when things haven't gone as planned. It's just how things go sometimes. There is nothing wrong with it.
No need to start spreading the salt around and piling it up for a fairly minor thing all told.
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Gear
Set Moon to Ramming Speed!
Really? Because worry about Cardie\Syndy spies and\or pirates was the first thing brought up when the idea was first proposed, and it dogged it for quite a while as we decided.
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Theunderbolt
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That almost no one wants anything to do with it after seeing the Councils counter offer.
Eh, the deal proposal passed with a large majority with its only real rival being something that was mostly the same with slightly different wording. It wasn't that contentious.
Gear
Set Moon to Ramming Speed!
People voted for a risky and not very popular proposal, the immediately abandon it when it ends up being predictably expensive.
And goddamn is doing all of this on a tablet annoying.
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It's only expensive because of lack of support. If we were to propose a deal everyone could get behind, like the Relief Bomb, the cost would be small.
Huh. I didn't notice.
Theunderbolt
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News flash Romulans discovered to be secretly lewd.
More info as the story develops!
Alastor Mobius Toth
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Kirk would be proud.
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An even better example would be the mercantilist deal last year which didn't cost us anything at all.