Jello_Raptor
(Confirmed Jelly)
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With a house band : Straak and the Whisperers
Some sort of Electronic hard rock with a lot of choral whispering?
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To Boldly Go... (a Starfleet quest)
- Thread starter OneirosTheWriter
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With a house band : Straak and the Whisperers
Some sort of Electronic hard rock with a lot of choral whispering?
So who wants to bet that if the Orion Union joins the Federation, they'll get in a slapfight with the humans and their representatives over genetic modifications? I don't see the Tellarites, Vulcans or Andorians having big horses in the Genetic Engineering ban, it's mostly a human thing and nobody else had any objections-until now. Both sides will fight it out and...we'll probably get some sort of compromise that heavily restricts Functional augmentation (but grandfathers in a lot of Orion stuff, under the condition that it be spread a bit more widely in the future), legalizes a variety of Cosmetic genemods, and makes it possible to expand the Therapeutic market a bit.
aeqnai
Nerdy Homu
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- Laniakea Supercluster
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- She/Her
Saavik is a Canon Character™, not much could be done about it in the first place.
For reference, btw:
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- Mid-Atlantic
Hm. Saavik needs some support then.
I mean, there are marvelously compelling events that have happened to her. She's got a personality, too. The problem is just that she's not in the spotlight. She's interacting with some of the more obscure species (like the Qloath), and her big adventures consist of narrow escapes (like the giant metal dinosaur and the hijackers).
We've had so much else going on, nobody's really zoomed in on her. Plus, I've always found Vulcans hard to write... do other people find it so?
I mean, there are marvelously compelling events that have happened to her. She's got a personality, too. The problem is just that she's not in the spotlight. She's interacting with some of the more obscure species (like the Qloath), and her big adventures consist of narrow escapes (like the giant metal dinosaur and the hijackers).
We've had so much else going on, nobody's really zoomed in on her. Plus, I've always found Vulcans hard to write... do other people find it so?
Why do you see it as as humans being the only ones to have objections? I figure everyone has their genetic engineering horror stories. Humans aren't so special there.
You remember Bruce Banner's most famous line from the Avengers movie?
"My secret is... I'm always angry."
That's Vulcans. They have constructed the perfect metal fortifications to hold their emotions in check, but the pressure is always there inside. Whenever I write one, I remember that they're always choosing not to be angry.
AKuz
Been Better
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- A Rising Tide of Horrors
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- She/Her
I also find Vulcans a bit hard to write. Romulans pretending to be Vulcans on the other hand....
> : 3
As far as Omakes and characters go, now that I'm getting a handle on Maryam's voice, I planning to follow her and Stargazer's adventures. Probably not as closely as Nash and Enterprise but probably one or two a mission year.... as soon as we get these current troubles sorted out of course. Because right now I'm sitting on three half finished ones about this whole Orion thing.
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- Mid-Atlantic
Briefvoice and AKuz have given me some things about. If the gel for me I might try to give Saavik a bit of a boost. Dunno.
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It also just occurred to me that if her Memory Beta background is taken as a guideline... Because going by Memory Beta, Saavik is to Romulans something pretty close to what Worf is to Klingons- a rescued orphan brought up in Romulan culture until the age of ten, then adopted (by Spock and his family).
The big difference compared to Worf is that instead of being raised by a bunch of biologically alien lifeforms he can never fully be a part of, she was raised by people who are literally the same species as her, but who are culturally very different. So she could assimilate into her adoptive world fully, rather than having to stubbornly insist on her birth identity in order to have any identity at all.
So... "Romulan pretending to be a Vulcan" is actually a really good description of Saavik, except she's pretending to everyone including herself and the pretense has become a self-fulfilling prophecy.
On the other hand, this benefits other people (like AKuz) a lot more than it benefits me, because I have no idea how to write a Romulan convincingly.
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It also just occurred to me that if her Memory Beta background is taken as a guideline... Because going by Memory Beta, Saavik is to Romulans something pretty close to what Worf is to Klingons- a rescued orphan brought up in Romulan culture until the age of ten, then adopted (by Spock and his family).
The big difference compared to Worf is that instead of being raised by a bunch of biologically alien lifeforms he can never fully be a part of, she was raised by people who are literally the same species as her, but who are culturally very different. So she could assimilate into her adoptive world fully, rather than having to stubbornly insist on her birth identity in order to have any identity at all.
So... "Romulan pretending to be a Vulcan" is actually a really good description of Saavik, except she's pretending to everyone including herself and the pretense has become a self-fulfilling prophecy.
On the other hand, this benefits other people (like AKuz) a lot more than it benefits me, because I have no idea how to write a Romulan convincingly.
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Yeah, but as late as the Mid-23rd Century, adherents to Eugenics philosophy still held some sway on earth's colonies-it's been a drawn-out thing, and bits of it like Khan occasionally drift up out of the sea of the past, unlike most of the others.
As for the Orions, I don't think you're going to say that the President of the Union is going to be treated as a dangerous criminal? She may or may not be Khan Lite, but she's got a lot of genetic modifications. Do we leave the upper classes in sole possession of existing gene-mods and outlaw any new ones, legislate all of them out of existence as part of the price of entry, or attempt to regulate it and make it more fair regardless of wealth and birth?
I have no idea whether Saavik is half-Romulan or not in Boldly Go. If you read the Memory Alpha entry there was a hell of a lot of back and forth with the character in the movies, as they kept adding plot points and taking them out before the final cut. Put it this way:
The idea that Saavik is half-Romulan has the same level of canonicity as the idea that Saavik is the mother to Spock's child.
AKuz
Been Better
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- A Rising Tide of Horrors
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- She/Her
I was always sort of leery about that. It always felt like shipping for the sake of shipping. "Any other Vulcan women? No? You sure we can't do slash? Fine. Saavik it is"
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Yes, but the idea that Saavik was born on a Romulan colony planet, lost/abandoned/orphaned, picked up and adopted into Romulan society is interesting. It's a plot hook, it's a clue to what is going on inside her head, which is exactly the kind of thing one needs to think about and develop on if one wants to do a competent job writing her.
Which is why I'm doing it- because I'm considering trying.
I could go either way on that question, honestly.
The generation gap is an issue to the idea of a relationship. Not so much the chronological age difference, though 30 years is not small even by Vulcan standards, as Spock's role as a mentor to Saavik. A relationship between them would be... off, in Saavik's youth. Less so now (the 2310s) because he's like 90 and she's about 60 instead of him being 50 and her being 20... But there's still the mentorship role to consider.
On the other hand, there's a pretty solid basis for how they could have wound up conceiving a child together, even if there was never any relationship between them that would be tenable in the long run, and even if they never had any intention of permanently bonding.
Anyway, gotta go.
ClawClawBite
Mad Engineering!
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- Seattle, WA
I've done one and a half on her, but got distracted by other game events for a bit. If I get inspired, I want to do more.
I'm just trying to get the pacing right so she can be the bride at Spock's wedding in 2329 where the young Lieutenant Picard is in attendance for no good reason.
Eh, I find the whole idea of her and Spock to be kind of icky. That's probably because I was heavily influenced by some novels I read where Saavik was clearly presented as Spock's adopted daughter. It seems way too incestuous, if not in a literal sense.
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I'm planning on posting some Stargazer stuff in the next few days, focusing on Maryam's bridge crew more than Maryam herself (I'm a bit wary of developing her character since she's AKuz's baby, though I plan to continue fleshing out her past adventures). But I agree that we need some extra flavor on the regular explorer corps captains as well.
If people will pick T'Rinta for the Odyssey I promise a minimum of three omakes.
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- She/Her
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- unspecified
I'll be sure to emerge from my lurker's cavern to vote for her, when the time arrives.
AKuz
Been Better
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- A Rising Tide of Horrors
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- She/Her
We can talk in PMs about character development if you want to?
Yeah that too. The fact that she had always been shown as a protoge and student made it intensely creepy for me.
Torgamous
Aspiring Gynoid
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- She/Her
If my experience with T'Lorel is a guide, she doesn't even need omake support, just a couple mentions in the logs amounting to "remember that other time this thing happened? That was her too." I don't remember T'Lorel because of omakes, I remember her because of The T'Lorel Maneuver and the song when she met the Sydraxians.
That's not to say I don't want your omake, far from it, this is just something I thought of that Oneiros could do on his own.
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- madison
Honestly it probably won't matter much. There'll be a line - "genetic engineering issues have been resolved with a compromise" - and it'll probably never come up again.
well it doesn't really affect things on the level we operate on. At most we might get an option to recruit augments to supplement security on some of our ships for a minor bonus.
Anger or one emotion take over. I think an unregulated Vulcan would go through wild, extreme moodswings, like Picard channeling Sarek.
I kinda imagine Vulcans try to craft a logical, rational self that functions as a boat that rides the storms of their emotions - constantly aware and in touch with them by virtue of the fact they exist so intimately with them, but at the same time separated and in control. It's a little bit more of a classic Stoic perception rather than the more Conceal Don't Feel repression they're sometimes painted as.
In terms of writing them @Simon_Jester I picture Vulcans as being precise as possible and in that way very deliberate. For example, Sorkan learned how to talk to Tellarites both as a sort of anthropological exercise -- understanding the logic of alien social customs -- but also as a method to set his Tellarite colleagues at ease and make it easier to work with them. Also, on some level, he probably actually derives some level of amusement from it all.
I was just reading how they also considered pairing her with Kirk on her Memory Alpha page, and all I can think is it's the ultimate proof of Kirk/Spock OTP that they came up with a Vulcan romance option for him.
I don't know why, but for me Saavik is like, the Die Hard captain (maybe Indiana Jones would be a good touchstone as well). She always ends up in some ridiculous, insane situation of sabotage or peril and then gets herself her way out of it. I guarantee you on one of her visits to an Orion planet she's going to wind up in some vents, with no boots and in the Starfleet Tank Top and have to outwit a bunch of thieves posing as Augment terrorists. Her 'bad luck' just means she somehow has a sense of where the danger is and thus is the woman to solve it -- see the near hi-jacking of her ship.
In other words, Saavik is John McClane meets Spock, a resilient woman who doesn't just end up in danger, but through quick-thinking and her logic, always ends up out of it.
EDIT: I mean seriously, this is a woman who get shot at through her shields and made her way out of it with no damage, something neither Enterprise A or particularly D did very well against.
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So I've started work on UV unwrapping the saucer section. It's the first time I've actually persevered all the way through. I repurposed an 'Aztec' specularity texture I found with an Ambassador mesh I downloaded a while back. I'd like to eventually use my own textures, but that's still a bit away. Here it is in an 'action' shot:
Just the hint of non-regularity adds a lot! (A lot of work too, though).
Probable next steps: windows, markings (registry, name, logo, etc.)
Just the hint of non-regularity adds a lot! (A lot of work too, though).
Probable next steps: windows, markings (registry, name, logo, etc.)
3450 br, 2250 sr VS 2090 br, 1765 sr.
That's how much we've spent on Excelsiors ( not including repairs) and ALL OTHER SHIPS COMBINED. I just wanted to know that, so I went through and added up the winning shipyard votes by hand. Most of the costs of Other Ships are Centaur As and Connie Bs, but the third most expensive class is the humble Oberth, which has 60sr per ship and a five-ship run over our shipyard ops. The Renaissance class will probably elbow it out of the way and surge forward soon, but Excelsiors aren't going anywhere from the top of the heap. 62 % of our BR, and 56% of our SR expenditures on 15 ships...though to be fair, all other classes combined are only 26 new ships and 3 refits.
That's how much we've spent on Excelsiors ( not including repairs) and ALL OTHER SHIPS COMBINED. I just wanted to know that, so I went through and added up the winning shipyard votes by hand. Most of the costs of Other Ships are Centaur As and Connie Bs, but the third most expensive class is the humble Oberth, which has 60sr per ship and a five-ship run over our shipyard ops. The Renaissance class will probably elbow it out of the way and surge forward soon, but Excelsiors aren't going anywhere from the top of the heap. 62 % of our BR, and 56% of our SR expenditures on 15 ships...though to be fair, all other classes combined are only 26 new ships and 3 refits.
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