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To Boldly Go... (a Starfleet quest)

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JesseJ said:
How about the Special High Intensity Taskforce for Anti-Syndicate Solutions? We could put Linderly in charge of it and insist he use the acronym at all times.
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Wouldn't Special High Intensity Taskforce be funny? Heard in a starship, just prior to an anti-sindicate operation: "Get ready, people! S.H.I.T. is about to go down!"

UberJJK said:
gamma radiation requires 150m for each halving.
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Are these figures for a graser in atmosphere? because you know that the specific energy (J/m²) of the radiation emitted by a point source halves with the square of the distance; area of the sphere, and all that.

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Obviously there's a lot of space coreward, both coreward of Rigel and of the Yrillians, that we haven't even touched. And there's the Gabriel Expanse between the Sydraxians and the Cardassians. But there's also a bunch more areas that haven't really gotten any attention. There's no way the Apiata don't claim and skirmish in the space between them and the Cardassians. Thankfully we've started to explore tailwards of Gaen and are filling in the species in the direction of the galactic core. Rimwards of the Seyek, it can't be all Lecarre space - they're relatively new to interstellar travel after all. I would almost expect an additional Cardassian client there. Rimwards of Risa, we'll eventually hit the Klingons, but not that close. Mapping the extent of Lecarre space should also be worthwhile. There's entire expanses twice the size of the GBZ that we need to fill.
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Not to mention there's the Ferengi out there somewhere, which should almost certainly be a fairly large polity and have client-states (pun not intended).
 
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Leila Hann said:
I say we finish exploring our own "claimed" space and fill in the gaps between us and our neighboring affiliates first. We spent a decade over-exploring, we need to consolidate our power in the existing map before expanding it even further.
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There's a difference between exploring and expanding. We expand by doing diplomatic pushes (not likely to happen in the near future except when we really need them). We explore by, well, exploring. Which gives us a clue of what we're dealing with in the future.

The main reason I'm concerned is that I want to make sure we don't lose track of what the Cardassians and Klingons are up to out to rimward of us. I'm not so worried about the coreward border because I'm pretty sure that if there was anyone nearby big enough to be a major problem, we'd already know about them. The Ferengi or the Breen may be in that general direction, but if so, it's not for a considerable distance.
 
Simon_Jester said:
There's a difference between exploring and expanding. We expand by doing diplomatic pushes (not likely to happen in the near future except when we really need them). We explore by, well, exploring. Which gives us a clue of what we're dealing with in the future.

The main reason I'm concerned is that I want to make sure we don't lose track of what the Cardassians and Klingons are up to out to rimward of us. I'm not so worried about the coreward border because I'm pretty sure that if there was anyone nearby big enough to be a major problem, we'd already know about them. The Ferengi or the Breen may be in that general direction, but if so, it's not for a considerable distance.
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Don't forget the Tholians. I don't know if they're coreward or rimward, but they're probably going to be big enough to be a major problem.
 
More omake time.

Drop Everything

Ikitha zh'Bessash is keeping a quiet watch, as befits Starbase 5. The Amarki keep a well-ordered house, though busy, and even a Vulcan would find the level of organization satisfactory. Most station commanders leave the basic watchstanding to commanders or captains, to better prioritize their time on paperwork that actually requires their personal attention, but it's important in Ikitha's opinion to keep a hand in and show that you're not completely out of touch. Besides, this may be the last chance to stand a watch before the word comes down about promotion or retirement. A starbase commander is pretty much the final position a sentient in Starfleet could actually stand a watch in.

One of the lieutenants manning the Starbase sensor array yells, forgetting decorum and protocol and bypassing their section commander. A moment later the main viewscreen brings up the capital. A single brilliant point of light-the image darkens as the sensors adjust to it-the light spreads-that's a visible shockwave moving outwards-

A photon torpedo detonation in atmosphere. Ikitha has never seen one in person, precious few people have and long may that be true, but during the Biophage Crisis many Starfleet officers saw them recorded. The Burning of Dunwich is a memory seared into every officer who was in the service at the time. And yet, staring at the grotesquely fading light, and the shockwave that seemingly moves so slowly...

It isn't something you can imagine. How do you visualize something you can't actually look at without going blind? How do you absorb the full scale of suffering when to do so would drive you mad? You can describe the physical process, but even there you have to summarize, talk in generalities about kinds of buildings and different kinds of materials rather than specific objects. There are just too many of them. They're a number, not a reality. Even right in front of you.

"All scheduled docking and departures are suspended! Bring up the shields, go to red alert. I want every shuttle and runabout on this station ready to fly with a medical team onboard in ten minutes. Sensors, I need a detailed scan of every ship in the system, I want to know about the slightest anomaly. Comms, get me the Arsenal commander and the Commodore now!" All of it without taking a breath. There will be time to breathe later. Time to understand, if such is even possible, later. For now the urge must be locked away in the same place the horror goes.
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Simon_Jester said:
There's a difference between exploring and expanding. We expand by doing diplomatic pushes (not likely to happen in the near future except when we really need them). We explore by, well, exploring. Which gives us a clue of what we're dealing with in the future.

The main reason I'm concerned is that I want to make sure we don't lose track of what the Cardassians and Klingons are up to out to rimward of us. I'm not so worried about the coreward border because I'm pretty sure that if there was anyone nearby big enough to be a major problem, we'd already know about them. The Ferengi or the Breen may be in that general direction, but if so, it's not for a considerable distance.
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I suspect the Gorn, Tholians and Tzenkethi are directly Rimward of us. It's the place thar makes the most sense. I expect the Tzenkethi are a Tier 2 power like the Syndraxians that are near Cardassian space, probably Rim ward of Bajor. The Tholians are a tier one power that occupies like only one square close by the Klingons that is just a no go and the Gorn are a tier 1.5 power that closes gap across the rim between the Tzenkethi and the Tholians/Klingons.

That would sort of fit if say TOS mostly was an exploration course along Spin ward and Rim ward borders. The Enterprise nil having a course roughly tracking down the Neutral Zone across the Klingon border and out trailward.

Coreward the only real tier 1/1.5 power that could be there is, like, the Breen.
 
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Random Member said:
Don't forget the Tholians. I don't know if they're coreward or rimward, but they're probably going to be big enough to be a major problem.
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Yeah, but they tend to keep to themselves.

Of course, in principle we ought to know where these guys are, but that's okay under the game mechanics.

[Takes notes for the 2235 game idea, for which the Federation might legitimately not know where anyone is]
 
The Holy Order of the Kinshaya might be a thing in this quest. If so, they're probably next to Klingon space. No idea how powerful they are but....
 
AKuz said:
I suspect the Gorn, Tholians and Tzenkethi are directly Rimward of us. It's the place thar makes the most sense. I expect the Tzenkethi are a Tier 2 power like the Syndraxians that are near Cardassian space, probably Rim ward of Bajor. The Tholians are a tier one power that occupies like only one square close by the Klingons that is just a no go and the Gorn are a tier 1.5 power that closes gap across the rim between the Tzenkethi and the Tholians/Klingons.

That would sort of fit if say TOS mostly was an exploration course along Spin ward and Rim ward borders. The Enterprise nil having a course roughly tracking down the Neutral Zone across the Klingon border and out trailward.

Coreward the only real tier 1/1.5 power that could be there is, like, the Breen.
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Do you even Sheliak?

Iron Wolf said:
Not Charming Snakes for the Seyek? Tissssssk tisssssssk
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I wanted to label the Seyek seperately, but they're tucked riiiight in there with the Qloathi and Indorians without much to distinguish them with regard to astropolitics.
 
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I suspect that the Gorn are rimward of our KBZ, not far from Risa. Ditto the Tholians, though they're probably a bit more distant (and feared by the Gorn and Klingons).

Ferengi are probably coreward, though I'm not sure if they're more likely on the Romulan side (past the Honiani) or the Cardassian side (past the Gabriel Expanse).

Sheliak could be anywhere, but somehow I feel like Rimward in the Lecarre's general direction seems right.

Tsenkethi...no idea. To be honest, I wouldn't be opposed to retconning the Sydraxians to be called the Tzenkethi. It fits.
 
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HeWhoAdds said:
Looking at this map makes me wonder why we haven't explored more rimwards. It's pretty definitively the best direction.
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We were exploring aggressively in all directions until quite recently. Rimward is a good candidate for where to look next once we're ready to invest in expansion again.

That said, I'm not sure that its the *best* candidate. There may well be more Cardassian affiliates spinward of the Lecarre, and the Gorn and Tholians are almost certainly not far tailward of Risa. And we don't know how far toward the rim Klingon space actually goes either. There's room for us to explore there, but not tons of room.

Coreward of Rigel, and spinward of the weirdos, is probably the *most* obvious place to expand.
 
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All things considered, I think I'd rather have another Oneiros OC species than most of these"used once, never seen again," poorly developed species. The Cardassians, Romulans, Klingons, and Ferengi are all pretty well known. But so far Oneiros probably has a better batting average than the Star Trek writers of making species up that are interesting enough to be worth paying attention to and fun to deal with. Dealing with the Sheliak or Tzenkethi or whoever would get boring.

Random Member said:
Don't forget the Tholians. I don't know if they're coreward or rimward, but they're probably going to be big enough to be a major problem.
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Yeah, but they tend to keep to themselves.

Leila Hann said:
Sheliak could be anywhere, but somehow I feel like Rimward in the Lecarre's general direction seems right.

Tsenkethi...no idea. To be honest, I wouldn't be opposed to retconning the Sydraxians to be called the Tzenkethi. It fits.
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The Sheliak were only used once, and while the Tzenkethi appear more than once they don't appear much or significantly. Again, I'd rather have an OC species from Oneiros than the posturing insectoid jerks from The Ensigns of Command.
 
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I assumed the Sheilakids (my phone cannot handle the name and keeps autocorrecting oddly) would be a tier 2 power at best.

I vote in favour of the Tzenkethi and Sydraxians being just synonyms. It's not like we know anything about them other than the Federation having one of their patented 50s brush fire wars with them.

As far as tier 1 powers coreward of us, I have all sorts of ideas. But you know. It's not up to me! It's up to Oneiros (psssst hit me up for ideas sometime if you need it. I've got all sorts of peeps lying around that I made for sci-fi civ games. > : P)
 
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I do wonder what the Sotaw's relationship with the Romulans is, and if trying to affiliate them could go somewhere, someday.
 
Simon_Jester said:
All things considered, I think I'd rather have another Oneiros OC species than most of these"used once, never seen again," poorly developed species. The Cardassians, Romulans, Klingons, and Ferengi are all pretty well known. But so far Oneiros probably has a better batting average than the Star Trek writers of making species up that are interesting enough to be worth paying attention to and fun to deal with. Dealing with the Sheliak or Tzenkethi or whoever would get boring.

Yeah, but they tend to keep to themselves.

The Sheliak were only used once, and while the Tzenkethi appear more than once they don't appear much or significantly. Again, I'd rather have an OC species from Oneiros than the posturing insectoid jerks from The Ensigns of Command.
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The best species to use from that episode is clearly the Grizzela.

I mean, we have Cat-People, Turtle-People, Bee-People, Snake-People, and Dog-People. Why shouldn't we have Bear-People?
 
I like the idea that the Sheliak are actually all through our space rather than off somewhere else, but since we live on mutually uninhabitable planet types there's never anything to talk about. We occasionally meet one of their ships and completely ignore each other. (Mining sites are presumably dispositioned by the exceedingly detailed treaty.)
 
Simon_Jester said:
All things considered, I think I'd rather have another Oneiros OC species than most of these"used once, never seen again," poorly developed species. The Cardassians, Romulans, Klingons, and Ferengi are all pretty well known. But so far Oneiros probably has a better batting average than the Star Trek writers of making species up that are interesting enough to be worth paying attention to and fun to deal with. Dealing with the Sheliak or Tzenkethi or whoever would get boring.

Yeah, but they tend to keep to themselves.

The Sheliak were only used once, and while the Tzenkethi appear more than once they don't appear much or significantly. Again, I'd rather have an OC species from Oneiros than the posturing insectoid jerks from The Ensigns of Command.
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The Tholians were also only used once, outside of the mirror universe, and yet everyone seems to agree that they exist in this setting. I personally found the Sheliak to be just about as memorable as them, but if I'm the only one then I won't begrudge the rest of you for not caring about them.

(amusingly, "posturing insectoid jerks" is an accurate description of both species)

The thing about the Tzenkethi is that we literally know nothing about them except their name, that they once fought the Federation, and that they could be a middling to serious military threat if things got hot with them again. You could make up just about any kind of race at all and call it the Tzenkethi without contradicting what we were told in DS9.
 
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