NSMS
Probably evil, unfortunately.
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- A rapidly widening tear in the fabric of reality
I was under the impression that ranks were relative to ship classes, not specific ships.
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A ship is nothing more than a representative of its class, is it not?
*blows the Horn of Summoning*
*puts on helmet and EOD suit*
*puts on helmet and EOD suit*
So, first off, sincere apologies for tagging you all.
I realise this is highly unusual, but I felt it was necessary to share information which I think was not readily available at the time you guys voted. I've tagged everyone who cast a vote without torpedoes and did not participate extensively in the discussion before I made this post, summarising the findings from talking to @Sayle.
To break it down to one headline:
There is no cost increase from taking the torpedoes.
No, really none. This based on explicitly asking @Sayle. Details below:
(Please click through the quote or the link to find the answers by @Sayle this is based upon.)
In sort, torpedoes on this ship are essentially free for us now, due to this very unique set of circumstances. Furthermore, since making this post, we've seen some prospective options for our next class, none of which would need a lot of weapons, negating any opportunity cost. One of them is a dedicated diplomatic ship, which sounds quite interesting.
The only genuine cost is a single module slot, which will not materially stop us hitting our desired Science rating due to the near-certainty the ship will have one or more auxiliary module slots. The Torpedoes give us a 50% boost to our Single-Target Firepower, which factors in manoeuvrability, alongside other boosts as well as improving our Tactical rating to A, which also factors in manoeuvrability.
If none of this information is of interest to you, then I apologise for taking up thirty seconds of your time. However, it seems to me is that a lot of people were voting whilst having a genuinely wrong impression about the costs, and I wanted to give people the opportunity to vote with accurate information, rather than regretting it later. Thanks for your time.
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As a side note, this ship wouldn't have been viable at this price if we went the high focus high damage phasers.
Imagine trying to do this with half the coverage at low maneuverability. Would be an utter death trap. We wouldn't accept that coverage even with average maneuver.
The converse is that pure war ships do less damage, but for the average "secondary" ship like this it's great.
Imagine trying to do this with half the coverage at low maneuverability. Would be an utter death trap. We wouldn't accept that coverage even with average maneuver.
The converse is that pure war ships do less damage, but for the average "secondary" ship like this it's great.
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NSMS
Probably evil, unfortunately.
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- A rapidly widening tear in the fabric of reality
By class I meant 'battleship', 'cruiser', 'frigatte', etc, rather than 'Constitution', 'Galaxy', etc. My bad, sorry for not being clear.
LunaMoth
Wings of Kynareth is my comfort song...
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I think the idea for going low cost, is eventually being able to re-use designs and 'kitbash' parts of them together as a way to slowly decrease production prices as time moves on. I like to think that kitbashing is something Starfleet actually does and it isn't just how the out of universe modeler decide to make ship models.
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Piss off.
So I get where you're coming from, but as it turns out, torpedoes do not meaningfully increase cost, or the number of ships we build. We will build pretty much the same production run either way.
This was one of the more surprising answers from asking @Sayle, as you see quotes in the summary post.
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People can have the exact same information you do and still disagree with your conclusions.
I think they were talking generically. Not just here.
LunaMoth
Wings of Kynareth is my comfort song...
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Yup I was talking generically, also not really gonna change my vote from the six phasers option, six phasers are plenty; nothing to do with cost really.
Whilst it might not be the most conducive move to mass quote everyone who didn't vote for 6+2 (it might even cause people to change their votes from 6+2, out of spite or some other concern) I don't recall anything in the rules that would suggest it breaks them, it's not being done maliciously after all, it's an attempt to bring what the user considers useful information to other voters in a quest that they feel might cause them to reconsider their votes.
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Gear
Set Moon to Ramming Speed!
[X] 6 Phaser Banks
That's all we need for this ship.
Also, look what I got today.
View: https://imgur.com/a/qmWHTMG
That's all we need for this ship.
Also, look what I got today.
View: https://imgur.com/a/qmWHTMG
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Skippy has been around the block enough times to know that mass-tagging people is considered highly rude, especially when you're doing it to lecture people who aren't voting the way you want. Also the idea that people lack information he does is presumptive in the extreme. We're all capable of reading the thread and coming to our own ideas, just because we don't change our votes when new information is presented doesn't mean we somehow missed it or are too stupid to realize what the information means.
I don't care about having torps of the ship, and don't think sacrificing a module slot is worth it to have them. The ship is armed enough with 6 phasers for a rear-line combatant and I want everything else to be focused on Science.
It does not, although of course you should report any post you're worried about breaking SV's rules.
Of course. But I think a lot of people were under a mistaken impression about cost, given the number of times this was stated, including in many of the tagged votes.
Oh fair enough, fair does.
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Constant advocation of a subject can also lead to the opposite of the desired result; or, in other words, advocation turns into incessant and annoying chatter everyone would rather be without.
I'd make a joke about barking up the wrong tree, but at this point I just want to get to the modules and wash away the odd taste this ship has left in my mouth so far.
Horologer
Incertae sedis
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In addition to what others have said: some people are just going to make their vote and then bounce from the thread until the next update. I find it a little annoying, both as a QM and as a voter who follows the thread closely, but I also accept that it's something people should be allowed to do. Not everyone has the time or inclination to read through a fast-moving thread.
I'm aware, and I'm not saying that, I'm just explaining why I don't believe it constitutes a rule break/what his motivation behind doing so might be.
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I mean, I'm not going to bother either way, the vote's going pretty overwhelmingly.
.. I do agree I'm sick of this debate, as much as I don't know how to give up one, but I think it's just going to poison the thread if we keep this up. On that note, I think I'll stop discussing this.
.. I do agree I'm sick of this debate, as much as I don't know how to give up one, but I think it's just going to poison the thread if we keep this up. On that note, I think I'll stop discussing this.
[X] 6 Phaser Banks