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Unless something has changed Engineering options with possible secondary applications don't give bonuses like that. It's why fabrication doesn't make custom probes for a Science bonus for example.
The expanded shuttle bay gives us 4 shuttles. That's what it does. Shuttles are useful for doing multiple things at once. That is what they are for. The more things you do at once the sooner you can be done.

I don't see how that's an unstated bonus. That's the very stated bonus.
 
[x] 0: Standard Antimatter Load (Range: 70ly)



[x] 1: Expanded Shuttlebay (4 Shuttles)
 
[X] 0: Extended Range (Range: 70ly -> 140ly)
[X] 1: Standard Shuttlebay (2 Shuttles)

Range is response time.
 
The expanded shuttle bay gives us 4 shuttles. That's what it does. Shuttles are useful for doing multiple things at once. That is what they are for. The more things you do at once the sooner you can be done.

I don't see how that's an unstated bonus. That's the very stated bonus.

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As we see in the older updates, shuttles add to the Engineering score and cargo. Surveying is a Science mission and the built in shuttles didn't add to Science.
 
[X] 0: Standard Antimatter Load (Range: 70ly)
[X] 1: Expanded Shuttlebay (4 Shuttles)

We got the Pharos for extending the range of the Galileo, so I'll go with extra shuttles.
 
This is not an explorer. It's a science ship. It's job is not to go poke dangerous anomalies. It's going to spend most of its time doing planetary and stellar surveys inside the borders, i.e. near a supply station. Or it'll be participating in fundamental science tasks. Which mostly involve sitting in the same place and recording the same values day after day, year after year, to isolate and identify which variables are causes and which are effects and which just happen to occur at the same time. Basically, I expect science ships to spend most of their time essentially stationary, in orbit of something, using very little antimatter.

[x] 0: Standard Antimatter Load (Range: 70ly)
[X] 1: Standard Shuttlebay (2 Shuttles)

Yes, shuttles have sensors, but those sensors aren't as good as the sensors on the science ship (if they were, we should just build science shuttles and skip the big expensive ship).
 
This is not an explorer. It's a science ship. It's job is not to go poke dangerous anomalies. It's going to spend most of its time doing planetary and stellar surveys inside the borders, i.e. near a supply station. Or it'll be participating in fundamental science tasks. Which mostly involve sitting in the same place and recording the same values day after day, year after year, to isolate and identify which variables are causes and which are effects and which just happen to occur at the same time. Basically, I expect science ships to spend most of their time essentially stationary, in orbit of something, using very little antimatter.

[x] 0: Standard Antimatter Load (Range: 70ly)
[X] 1: Standard Shuttlebay (2 Shuttles)

Yes, shuttles have sensors, but those sensors aren't as good as the sensors on the science ship (if they were, we should just build science shuttles and skip the big expensive ship).
Moving between star systems in a shuttle is impractical. Warp 3 can pop around within a system in a matter of hours. It would take years to get between stars. You use the cruiser as a mothership to carry the shuttles the 99.99% of the way to where they need to be and then disperse to deal with the last .01% of travel.
 
[x] 0: Standard Antimatter Load (Range: 70ly)
[X] 1: Standard Shuttlebay (2 Shuttles)

It's meant to be a multi-role ship when needed, but it's probably going to fill out a squadron with a pair of short ranged frigates , so it's not like it needs the giant fuel tank.
 
Because each shuttle is a set of sensors that can FTL around inside a star system scanning things. The more shuttles you have the faster the survey ship can actually survey a system.

I don't think I really buy that. If that's the case then ship sensor suites wouldn't really matter. Shuttles aren't equipped for that sort of thing. They are for conveying people and materials, not doing their own investigation. If they are dispatched on investigatory missions, it's because it's carrying people with equipment to do that or the main ship is too big, not for the shuttles themselves.
 
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I don't think I really buy that. If that's the case then ship sensor suites wouldn't really matter. Shuttles aren't equipped for that sort of thing. They are for conveying people and materials, not doing their own investigation. If they are dispatched on investigatory missions, it's because it's carrying people with equipment to do that or the main ship is too big, not for the shuttles themselves.
Well, that or they're going to poke something and don't want to risk the whole expensive starship and its crew. Or are conducting potentially explosive Science off the ship for the same reason.


But yes, shuttles cannot match a starship sensors wise; simply because most starships are going to have primary and possibly even secondary sensor arrays that outmass the entire shuttle. And a Starship's main reactor to power said sensors; and a Starship's Computer Core to interpret and analyze the take with.
 
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I don't think I really buy that. If that's the case then ship sensor suites wouldn't really matter. Shuttles aren't equipped for that sort of thing. They are for conveying people and materials, not doing their own investigation. If they are dispatched on investigatory missions, it's because it's carrying people with equipment to do that or the main ship is too big, not for the shuttles themselves.

mm. I mean, you would normally not take a ship into atmo, so that's a good use of shuttles, too.
 
[X] 0: Standard Antimatter Load (Range: 70ly)
[X] 1: Standard Shuttlebay (2 Shuttles)

Previous ships have shown us that extended range uses the same space as a secondary computer core, which I would really prefer to have.

Now, perhaps it's more efficient to build the antimatter tanks and shuttle bay bigger from initial design rather than adding them in extra rooms, but I would still rather ever scrap of spare space be used for on purpose design choices.
 
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mm. I mean, you would normally not take a ship into atmo, so that's a good use of shuttles, too.

True but I'd believe the ship is better at surveying and sensing stuff even from outside of atmo than a shuttle would be. To me one would have the capability of building a detailed map while the other would only have the capabilities needed to avoid running into something.

Maybe the shuttles could do a rough survey but in those cases I'd almost expect the ship to just drop/launch a handful of sensing satellites. The rest of the time I imagine a lot of focusing on one region or planet by different specialist teams rather than spreading the teams out over the whole system. That way they've got pretty quick access to the ship's computing resources as well.

Not saying that a widespread effort wouldn't happen just that spreading the team to five drastically different locations seems unwise somehow or unnecessary a lot of the time.
 
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