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Shame the Romulans got their Neutral Zone this time around. I'm sure they have a lot of neighbors who would be delighted to join the Coalition.

Skippy said:
Haha, the Kzin. I kinda hope we might get some border conflicts or something with them, they're always hilarious to fight when we fought them in From the Ashes.
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Yeah they're downright hilarious right up until they start eating people. How many Squid POWs were declared Missing Presumed Delicious in those wars?
 
JevvyPython said:
Shame the Romulans got their Neutral Zone this time around. I'm sure they have a lot of neighbors who would be delighted to join the Coalition.



Yeah they're downright hilarious right up until they start eating people. How many Squid POWs were declared Missing Presumed Delicious in those wars?
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In fairness, cannibalism has to be up there if you're looking at amusing traits for aggressive alien warlords to have in fiction. Or at least, I personally find it hilarious. Right up there with giant gladiatorial arenas.

As far as numbers go, I can't recall. I think the surviving crew of an entire ship may have been carried off to Kzinholm as exotic banquet items at one point? Can't recall which quest that happened in, but I think it was the last one; possibly the crew of a crippled Ceratarges class frigate?

That being said, I would say we pretty thoroughly paid them back.
 
Sayle said:
The Selachii finishes final prototyping in the summer of 2159 after a crash-build that broke several records and with no end to the Earth-Romulan war in sight.
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January-February or December? It kind of makes a difference.

Okay, I know. But it's United Earth, please cease your hemispherical bias forthwith. :D
 
One question @Sayle are the STO events with the ancient interdimensional empire that has teleport gates in our Homeworlds and stars canon in this quest? Those gates on Luna, Sol, Andoria Prime, Sol would allow them to blow our planets and star systems up
 
Guys, aside from ship design, how does this differ from canon? Did the Federation form earlier or later? Did Feds lose more in canon or less? Did we "gain" more or "lost" more in canon timeline?
 
Arimai said:
One question @Sayle are the STO events with the ancient interdimensional empire that has teleport gates in our Homeworlds and stars canon in this quest? Those gates on Luna, Sol, Andoria Prime, Sol would allow them to blow our planets and star systems up
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You're confusing the newest events in STO with the Iconians - the newest events are naturally occurring (as far as we're aware, anyways) anomalies which allow for interdimensional travel, while the constructed teleport gates are the Iconians (who AFAIK aren't actually "interdimensional"). The former only pop up in 2411/2412, while the latter are unlikely to start seriously doing anything until the 2390s.

Assuming STO is even canon to this quest, which it probably isn't.
 
Arimai said:
One question @Sayle are the STO events with the ancient interdimensional empire that has teleport gates in our Homeworlds and stars canon in this quest? Those gates on Luna, Sol, Andoria Prime, Sol would allow them to blow our planets and star systems up
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Doesn't ring any bells. I don't consider STO canon, though I'll happily steal ideas from it. Unless you're referring to the Iconians (after the conclusion of which I basically checked out of STO lore) then I don't know what you mean.

Skippy said:
In fairness, cannibalism has to be up there if you're looking at amusing traits for aggressive alien warlords to have in fiction.
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And alien protagonists, as it turns out! Although I recall that causing some consernation and some repeated efforts to "train out" the infantile cannibalism with limited success.

Skippy said:
As far as numbers go, I can't recall. I think the surviving crew of an entire ship may have been carried off to Kzinholm as exotic banquet items at one point? Can't recall which quest that happened in, but I think it was the last one; possibly the crew of a crippled Ceratarges class frigate?
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I believe that was in the latest quest. I think one of the sequels with the Neutral Zone Kathalonda had an amusing moment where a Klingon captain accepted a duel to the death with a squid only to get ripped in half by nine feet of angry cat-lion janissary instead because the Kzin had been subjugated by that point in time and were being put to productive uses for their innate...Kzin-ness.
 
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Sayle said:
And alien protagonists, as it turns out! Although I recall that causing some consernation and some repeated efforts to "train out" the infantile cannibalism with limited success.
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Yeah, I guess when the Kzin do it, it technically isn't cannibalism. Just being sophontavores.

Oh god, the debates in the reboot over infant cannibalism and Nature Vs. Nurture.

I love how in the original quest, the solution to this was (IIRC) just to build the Thunderdome for Little Tentacles. A kind of... Squid Game, if you will. 😅
 
the next move should be to design and build some exploration vessels or it might be better to make a new cargo ship due to the fact that the one that is currently in service is very old and in dire need of a replacement
 
Roaming_Guardian said:
Skates did what we expected, but we simply didnt have enough of them fast enough to replace the Stingrays, and they are sadly likely to be quickly outmoded since we have shields, Warp 7, and goddamn CLOAKING to add to newer patrol vessels. Fuck yes.
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I wouldn't be surprised if those small craft would be part of what convinced the Romulans it was better to peace out now, after all it doesn't take a genius to realize they're optimized for attritional warfare and already being made at scale. And so long as the coalition could force the Romulans in to defensive battles, they'd be forced to fight those cheap platforms with their far more expensive and sophisticated craft.

Now sure no doubt in 2 years or so they could design their own cheap platform and get a fair few of their own out, but that would be 2 years of eating attritional warfare against a platform designed for it.

So yeah, I can see together with the threats the other coalition members already were, that they decided to not get in to such a painful exchange.
 
abominable said:
Guys, aside from ship design, how does this differ from canon? Did the Federation form earlier or later? Did Feds lose more in canon or less? Did we "gain" more or "lost" more in canon timeline?
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Federation formed at about the same time, maybe a bit earlier. The peace treaty is more in the Federation's favor than it was in canon, with the two major gets of note being Galorndon Core and Denobula.
 
Skippy said:
As far as numbers go, I can't recall. I think the surviving crew of an entire ship may have been carried off to Kzinholm as exotic banquet items at one point? Can't recall which quest that happened in, but I think it was the last one; possibly the crew of a crippled Ceratarges class frigate?
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Damn now I want to see a version of Star Trek, possibly DS9, with a Cathalondian crewmember where everyone is deeply confused at the mass trials of Kzin chefs at the end of the war along with enemy leaders.

EDIT: Should be an alternative version of Duet where the Cardassian death camp guard impersonating the commander breaks down and admits he's just the cook, and the Squid immediately goes for their phaser. "Why are you stopping me, he just admitted he's guilty!"
 
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Alectai said:
Yeah, they didn't give us cloaks, they just told us how to identify them, which means they're no longer effectively an "I Win" button when it comes to launching First Strikes.
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Well, they told us how to identify the cloaks they are currently using. They are probably betting on a breakthrough that leaves this intelligence obsolete in fairly short order--we are betting on there being no such breakthrough, or at least a countervailing breakthrough on our side based on the knowledge we now have.
 
Zimmerwald1915 said:
Well, they told us how to identify the cloaks they are currently using. They are probably betting on a breakthrough that leaves this intelligence obsolete in fairly short order--we are betting on there being no such breakthrough, or at least a countervailing breakthrough on our side based on the knowledge we now have.
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Unlikely given they use the exact same tech for the next 2 centuries.
 
Not the total victory of dreams, but a victory nonetheless-only thing better than surviving a total war as a founding mythos is winning it, and a Romulus in disarray is a Romulus that cannot hinder Federation expansion outside the DMZ or organize expeditionary forces.

Let none challenge our collective resolve unscathed.
 
BeepSmile said:
Wait what. I like Dyson Spheres.

Which one had the Dyson Sphere?
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STO has two Dyson spheres, one of witch serves barely any purpose beyond being a portal to the delta quadrant, and the other is a PVE zone for meh rewards in the delta quadrant. Honestly neither actually end up feeling like Dyson spheres.
 
I think the cargo ship first so we can prototype a few technologies, then the new explorer, then i think a new patrol cruiser and then SCIENCE! ship.

I think we'll hold off on refits, theres only 1 Thunderchild class left i dont think its worth the effort to refit it, the skates tiny i dont know its got any space for refits, mmmaaaybe the NX can get a refit? All the others are too old and can be cycled to backline support.
 
I think a post-war refit of the Skate class should probably mount external nacelles, that 3.8 warp factor will be more relevant for independently operating ships.
 
QuarkBeast said:
I think the cargo ship first so we can prototype a few technologies, then the new explorer, then i think a new patrol cruiser and then SCIENCE! ship.

I think we'll hold off on refits, theres only 1 Thunderchild class left i dont think its worth the effort to refit it, the skates tiny i dont know its got any space for refits, mmmaaaybe the NX can get a refit? All the others are too old and can be cycled to backline support.
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I think Thunderchild will keep until we figure out shields and a better warp engine, then we can start with a new block of the class to be produced in limited numbers. Just to make sure we have them, and to get all the kinks worked out for if we need to crash-build more.
Endorfinator said:
I think a post-war refit of the Skate class should probably mount external nacelles, that 3.8 warp factor will be more relevant for independently operating ships.
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Skates are notably incredibly low on supplies, not sure if moving them to independent duty is the right call, even if external nacelles would free up some space. It would also make them rather flimsier, and increase their targeting profile - not to mention I'm fairly certain the impulse engines are currently mounted where external nacelles would be.
 
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