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Yeah, as scary as it sounds, it looks like the Battle of Cheron was the tipping point. They lost too much industrial capacity and too many hulls to come out of a Total War intact--at best, they could make it a mutual kill, and they blew all of their embedded assets to get the Birds of Prey done up.

And at the end of the day, they wanted to live more than they wanted to kill us all. Which gave us an offramp.

Still, the Skate and Thunderchild classes did work. I think Warspite even got to survive to be a museum ship down the line!

Still, @Sayle , did we manage to improve on the canon Earth-Romulan war at all?

Skippy said:
We salute UES Thunderchild and her sister ships for their service:


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WK1LUXBsUqk
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Wait I'm sorry.

That wasn't a parody? Did that video actually happen?
 
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So, overall, one out of three dreadnoughts survives the war (Warspite) with one of them crippled right away (Polyphemus) and one of them scuttled due to catastrophic battle damage (Thunderchild), and the Skate did admirably for the one major engagement it was in.

I love our little shark tooth shaped frigate. I wish we had 30 of them.
 
Ash19256 said:
So, you're disregarding ST: PIC using the T'liss name for the TOS bird-of-prey/warbird, I take it?
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Eeeeeeh. Strange New Worlds also has the TOS bird of prey existing in the early 21st century. We just don't know much about early Romulan ship names.

Alectai said:
Still, @Sayle , did we manage to improve on the canon Earth-Romulan war at all?
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Yes! You not only managed to get them to formally renounce their claims on Galorndon Core, but you also got them to cough up countermeasures for cloaking technology. Little do they know that despite their cloaks getting better and mass producible they will still be vulnerable to (admittedly increasingly powerful) tachyon beams for over two centuries.
 
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Sayle said:
Eeeeeeh. Strange New Worlds also has the TOS bird of prey existing in the early 21st century. We just don't know much about early Romulan ship names.



Yes! You not only managed to get them to formally renounce their claims on Galorndon Core, but you also got them to cough up countermeasures for cloaking technology. Little do they know that despite their cloaks getting better they will still be vulnerable to (admittedly increasingly powerful) tachyon beams for over two centuries.
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Hoo boy, the Skate + Thunderchild class wombo combo backed up by NX-classes was a terrifying witches brew of synergy, wasn't it?
 
At the very least, Warspite remains. Alone, but unbowed. Truly, Thunderchild and Polyphemus will be remembered fondly. Perhaps their names go on a List of Honor, Honor Harrington-style?
 
Oooof. The big anchor and angry bees works, but god are the Romulan engineers are some underpaid heroes for cracking warp 7 drives first.
 
StriderInCosmos said:
At the very least, Warspite remains. Alone, but unbowed. Truly, Thunderchild and Polyphemus will be remembered fondly. Perhaps their names go on a List of Honor, Honor Harrington-style?
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Doesn't Starfleet run something like that? I mean, we have Ent-G in PIC:S3 and -

I just checked, apparently only the Enterprise gets suffix names.

(cf USS Carolina, USS Callisto, and USS Challenger.)
 
I wonder what we get to build next. An explorer to get back out there in peace mode? Probably time to prototype some better warp travel too.
 
Yeah, I think we're due for a next generation Explorer, actual Shields probably demands a full redesign to accomodateit.
 
Nyvis said:
I wonder what we get to build next. An explorer to get back out there in peace mode? Probably time to prototype some better warp travel too.
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Our next exploration cruiser would be logical, debuting shield technology, the weapons developed during the war, and the Warp 7 engine. Something to guard the frontiers and deter any Romulan desires for another war, and help bring new friends into our fledgling Federation.
 
Well that was a bloody end to the war. But it's over and while not ideal, is probably a decent deal for now since the Romulans are going to stick to that treaty.

We need shields. We need Warp 7. And we need a explorer to go out and make new friends and find new technologies for us because we NEEDED all that help from the other member-states. Good for diplomacy and unity, but boy howdy was it getting nasty brutal for everyone.
 
Skippy said:
Our next exploration cruiser would be logical, debuting shield technology, the weapons developed during the war, and the Warp 7 engine. Something to guard the frontiers and deter any Romulan desires for another war, and help bring new friends into our fledgling Federation.
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So basically NX 2.0. Yeah I can see that.
 
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Did we get any sweet sweet Romulan warp nacelles, shield emitters, or cloak parts to reverse-engineer? Feels like all of those would be pretty high-priority.
 
Nyvis said:
I wonder what we get to build next. An explorer to get back out there in peace mode? Probably time to prototype some better warp travel too.
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It'd be cool if we could build a Deep Space station, one of the major hubs ones. It'd be a good way to pick the peacetime focus of the Federation subtly.
 
The priority for new designs probably goes something like:

1. if there's a ship design that can aid in the development of the Coalition into the Federation, that
2. an explorer to replace the NXs, integrating shields and/or warp 7 drives
3. a replacement to the Merchants in the role of bulk hauler
4. a replacement to the Stingrays in the role of intersystem patrol ship (intrasystem station being left to Skates)
 
Xon said:
There was also no treaty preventing the use of cloaking devices by the Federation.
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I thought the cloak ban came later, after the recontact happened?

Just that this time, they had to cough up a counter to cloaking technology, because I guess we had enough of an advantage that they couldn't just trigger a White Peace this time.

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Did we get any sweet sweet Romulan warp nacelles, shield emitters, or cloak parts to reverse-engineer? Feels like all of those would be pretty high-priority.
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I don't think we successfully took down a single Bird-of-Prey in the war. And Warbirds didn't really have anything novel to us aside from the cloak, which was presumably blackboxed like hell.

The problem is that this was because they were very careful to avoid stand-up fights against us where they could actually lose.
 
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Zimmerwald1915 said:
The priority for new designs probably goes something like:

1. if there's a ship design that can aid in the development of the Coalition into the Federation, that
2. an explorer to replace the NXs, integrating shields and/or warp 7 drives
3. a replacement to the Merchants in the role of bulk hauler
4. a replacement to the Stingrays in the role of intersystem patrol ship (intrasystem station being left to Skates)
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So I would say we need a faster warp cargo/passenger ship to allow for reasonable travel times between Federation members and a fancy new explorer/heavy cruiser to go wave the flag and do science shit. I wonder if we will also get parts for Andorian/Vulcan/Tellarite designs, I would love to play around with some more alien ship geometrys.
 
We probably want our new explorer to have the Warp Seven engine, so if that is not ready in time for our next class, then we might design something along the lines of the Merchant class II: Electric Boogaloo to help support post-war reconstruction and new colonies.

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There was also no treaty preventing the use of cloaking devices by the Federation.
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I believe the Treaty of Algeron is a bit later. Or rather, I know from a quest in the From the Ashes Expanded Universe (long story, it has squids, check it out) that when the battle which led to it happened there, @Sayle had it happening sometime after TOS.

Canonically I don't think there's ever been an exact date stated.
 
Cornuthaum said:
So, overall, one out of three dreadnoughts survives the war (Warspite) with one of them crippled right away (Polyphemus) and one of them scuttled due to catastrophic battle damage (Thunderchild), and the Skate did admirably for the one major engagement it was in.

I love our little shark tooth shaped frigate. I wish we had 30 of them.
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SFB has taught me that when you get into a war you absolutely don't expect what you do is you build smaller ships packed with the firepower and defenses of bigger ships, sacrificing all auxiliary capabilities for that, simply because you need more ships and more yards.

War destroyers and war cruisers are wisdom.
 
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