To be clear, I broadly agree with this.
The post I was replying to was talking about pound-for-pound combat effectiveness, so I wanted to provide an accurate comparison. A holistic judgement is definitely more involved.
Linked contents
To be clear, I broadly agree with this.
The post I was replying to was talking about pound-for-pound combat effectiveness, so I wanted to provide an accurate comparison. A holistic judgement is definitely more involved.
Night_stalker
Slava Ukraini!
- Pronouns
- He/Him
It's possible, but it takes time to design a ship, much less when it's going against tradition and well....
Point is, they might've started work on a counter, or just relied on more regular ships.
The optimal ship class is the large multirole explorer, accept no substitutes
big, comfy explorers > everything else
can't be luxury space communism without half your interior space dedicated to showing off /s
NavySeel
"I don't know what I'm doing."
- Location
- Places
A romulan negaquest reaction to the Thunderchild showing up would be pretty funny now that I think about it.
Strunkriidiisk
THE LEGEND
- Location
- Canada
- Pronouns
- He/Him
"What the fuck is that thing!?"
"What the hell, they already had too many NX-classes, where the fuck are they getting all this industrial capacity!?"
Alectai
Speaks Words of Wisdom... On occasion
"Their IndCap is actually worse than yours by a fair amount, the difference is that they get to use all of it wherever they want instead of your setup where a bunch of it disappears as all the various officials get their cut to stay loyal and not star wondering if you need to be replaced."
Romulans, like most authoritarians--likely don't produce large warships because those warships can be turned against them by an upstart. Much easier to just produce a lot of smaller ones so that any one captain getting delusions of grandeur doesn't overthrow the whole system.
Last edited:
So guys since we were talking about ship classifications a while back as well as the potential value of retaining a decent amount of dedicated warships, i came up with a system that i think should work quite well.
(Of course ideas and corrections are welcome)
Going from smallest to largest (for 1-4):
I think this works quite well while starfleet would remain a exploration (or here cruiser) focused navy, the tradition and know how of fleet combat would be maintained and in case of war formations and commands for the explorers would already be established and manned.
Anyway what do you guys think?
(Of course ideas and corrections are welcome)
Going from smallest to largest (for 1-4):
- Frigate(or destroyer or escort, frigate is just my personal favorite): A small dedicated warship like our current project, maximum firepower for smallest cost/profile.
- Light Cruiser: A somewhat larger ship with similar or slightly larger armament but equipped with appropriate scientific, engineering, and storage facilities for long independent action.
- Heavy Cruiser: Your typical Starfleet Explorer, large and well armed, and equipped with state of the art scientific, engineering and cargo facilities for long Missions of Exploration.
- Battlecruiser (or battleship or dreadnought, again Battlecruiser is just my personal favorite): A ship with a similar or larger profile as the heavy cruiser but fully optimized for Combat instead.
- Auxiliary: anything that cannot be expected to successfully take part in conventional fleet actions, from cargo ships to pure unarmed science vessels goes here.
I think this works quite well while starfleet would remain a exploration (or here cruiser) focused navy, the tradition and know how of fleet combat would be maintained and in case of war formations and commands for the explorers would already be established and manned.
Anyway what do you guys think?
- Location
- France
- Pronouns
- She/They
Post war we absolutely need to refit our dreadnoughts with a big diplomatic lounge
We've had so many different ideas and suggestions for ship paradigms that at this point I'm pretty sure we're well into XKCD competing standards territory
Fair enough, this just spawned from the "light cruiser" title of the current project sounding a bit wrong to me.
Post war we absolutely need to refit our dreadnoughts with a big diplomatic lounge
This post brought to you by the Galaxy-class gang.
- Location
- USA
There doesn't seem to be a concrete date on those, save that we start seeing shuttles with Nacelles in the TOS era.
- Location
- France
- Pronouns
- She/They
Sadly we appear to be getting the small gun version.
NavySeel
"I don't know what I'm doing."
- Location
- Places
Should be fine if we max the guns, it's only 30, meanwhile the other version you're paying more than that for the oppurtunity to add more guns that aren't even included.
For number of guns the Forward deflector is much better value.
From a misers view I suppose. However 4 guns, 2 Torpedoes is only 1 gun more than the Stingray, we might as well have just refit those with Photons instead of going through the trouble of designing these things.
6 guns 3 Torpedoes would be more than double the armament of a Stingray and actually able to smash romulan face.
StriderInCosmos
Wanderer in the Worldsea
- Location
- Somewhere in... Terminal Dogma? I think?
We're also talking about an upgrade in the quality of the guns themselves; photonics are a real step above atomics, and even though pulsed phase cannons aren't as much of a technical leap forward as their torpedo brethren, they're still a marked improvement. Even if we were to only match the armament of the Stingray, we'd be exceeding its striking power quite handily. If we kit this thing out properly, it'll still smash Romulan warbirds at savings that making a more expensive go-between of the light and medium cruiser options just can't match.
Chargone
Invisable operator
- Location
- New Zealand
The weapons are also positioned more usefully*, which a refit Couldn't do. And it has better cannons as well. Without losing out in any other area (a refit would have involved tradeoffs) compared to the Stingray.
*Edit: for its intended role. Remember, the stingray was intended for warding off pirates, not engaging in full on fleet battles
Edit2: with shielded enemies.
Last edited:
Aren't these 4 all focused forward whereas the Stingray had one in the front 180, and then one each in the port/starboard 180s? Which would give the Stingray better coverage.
Upgrading 3 phase cannons to the new version = 3 industry
Upgrading 2 spatial launchers to Photons = 4 industry
Stingray cost 25->32
Only thing this might do better is keeping up at cruise, provided people vote for the nacelle configuration that allows it to keep pace with the Thunderchild.
NavySeel
"I don't know what I'm doing."
- Location
- Places
They never used the words "Better coverage". They said positioned more usefully.
One would be on the front, then two on the sides, allowing all three to fire forwards meaning it can bring most of it's firepower on a single target to make use of the maneuverability.
The fourth optional one is in the rear.
For all around coverage we have the NX and THunderchild.
Last edited:
- Location
- Illinois
- Pronouns
- He/Him
No, the bow-deflector option has 1 cannon in bow, 2 optional cannons port/starboard, and 1 optional aft.
Edit: the port/starboard turrets can fire in the bow arc, to be clear.
Last edited:
So it's going to have the same number of forward weapons? So no net increase in offensive firepower from a hypothetical upgrade to the Stingray... If this is the route you all really want to go, we should ask @Sayle if we can just upgrade the Stingray's Torpedoes to Photonic models.