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Andoria stands!
Andoria stands!
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Probably decommissioned over Andoria. I mean, it's RIGHT there and did manage to pull a three vs one and quite possibly break the last spine of the Klingon assault.
Yes. After all, it'll be such a shame when they shoot themselves in the back of the head, twice.
And got a nice, good long look at their 2 main rivals' best military hardware in action, and exactly how many ships and troops they can muster under duress.
Edit we also learned something very valuable, current gen bops can be overcome by 2 successive photorp hits, d7s by 5 and a bit. A little more to actually kill either. That means if our photorps don't improve, our ships need to be able to put at least 2 preferably 3 fore and aft to either quickly deter or kill a BoP. That assumes Klingon shields don't significantly increase, which they might do.
It also indicates a combat cruiser that is expected to fight Klingons head on must be able to put out similar or greater firepower to our Excaliburs.
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Yeah I bet they had stealth ships recording the whole thing. Active scanning and analyzing everything happening.
They will also likely be predicting how starfleet is going to evolve after this. They may also target klingon territory since they are weaker from this war. Or at least weaken them further with in fighting.
Commander April's showers are Klingon ship debris entering atmosphere.
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I would be incredibly shocked if Andorans let a ship that fought that hard for their people be scrapped.
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It really says something that established Klingon tactics assume the enemy will break.
How many times have they done this scenario over how many home worlds?
How much of the fact that Starfleet didn't break establishes the grudging respect the Klingons have in the future?
How many times have they done this scenario over how many home worlds?
How much of the fact that Starfleet didn't break establishes the grudging respect the Klingons have in the future?
An amazing chapter, @Sayle
Hopefully Joyeuse ends up alongside Enterprise as one of those names constantly in circulation, her crew's actions demand nothing less, imo.
Hopefully Joyeuse ends up alongside Enterprise as one of those names constantly in circulation, her crew's actions demand nothing less, imo.
There's going to be a much more aggressive drive to fully exploit existing resources and seek out new ones, imo, which is something our flag planting colonies are going to play a big role in - the Darwin will have quite a lot on its plate once fully commissioned.
Godwinson
"Well, I've got nothing."
Looking at it, Starfleet would benefit a lot from two particular designs at the moment:
A sprint-focused reaction boat with cargo and shuttles (since I doubt we'll be able to just create a design variation of the current design, despite it being so obvious of a swap), to provide rapid responses for both urgent supplies and threats.
A cruise-focused patrol boat with scanners and surveying equipment, to provide a denser presence in near-frontier and frontier areas.
The problem is that the number of ships that can be built isn't actually worth a fuck, so instead the actual best design to go with is a generalist that has some capability in all of that simply to churn out numbers.
A sprint-focused reaction boat with cargo and shuttles (since I doubt we'll be able to just create a design variation of the current design, despite it being so obvious of a swap), to provide rapid responses for both urgent supplies and threats.
A cruise-focused patrol boat with scanners and surveying equipment, to provide a denser presence in near-frontier and frontier areas.
The problem is that the number of ships that can be built isn't actually worth a fuck, so instead the actual best design to go with is a generalist that has some capability in all of that simply to churn out numbers.
Remember the federation is bigger and has a stronger economy yet the fleet is was not noticeably bigger that means that the resources surely exist just shipbuilding and capacity where not seen has a priority.
Strunkriidiisk
THE LEGEND
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It's probably not unfair to assume that the Federation may know of some prospective dilithium (and other critical minerals, but dilithium is the most important) deposits in their territory that they simply haven't previously felt the need to exploit fully/at all because the demand simply isn't there yet.
Personally I think the problem must lie in labor back in the core. It's a resource extraction problem, but it's a problem that stems from the efforts the core makes to extract resources.
How much industrial capacity is the core willing to invest in developing industry over enjoying the fruits of said industry?
How many people are willing to leave the comfortable core and go live out in resource extraction stations?
How much comfort are people living in resource extraction stations willing to endure to keep their logistics burden low?
How much risk to their life are they willing to take?
How many extra hours of pleasure are the people doing the extracting putting in when they could be doing pleasure activities, meaning more work is done for a smaller logistical footprint?
The more these questions trend in the direction of "yes" the more resources Starfleet has to build ships with.
So even if Starfleet is continuing to build starships at the maximum rate it can put resources into fabricators there are factors that determine what exactly that rate is. Moral and motivation directly translate into more resources. Even small shifts in people's mind states and value propositions lead to large shifts in outcomes at the scales the Federation operates on.
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The lack of automation and the utter refusal to inflict environmental damage, for good or for ill, do not help.
Shard
One and Many
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The fleet is bigger in the quest, though, or rather 'this timeline quest' as compared to 'this quest OG timeline'. Remember, in this quest, 18 Excaliburs, each considered more expensive than a Constitution, were produced, compared to 14 Constitutions in the 'OG timeline'.
What's arguably of greater relevance is the rate of fleet obsolescence. A large amount of Starfleet was obsolete, and it's even a general expectation that anything built will be obsolete in a few decades.
darkstarling
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Automation isn't actually lacking - as mentioned, a ship the size of an aircraft carrier should have a crew of thousands rather than hundreds. But we don't do AI. People keep on trying it, and so far the only starship AIs that haven't gone evil have emerged 'naturally' like Zora. M5 is most notable, of course. And if we count Disco the Section 31 incident makes a good precursor for the M5 technology.
Whether that's how it should be... *shrugs* But that's what we have to work with.
Onionjones
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So the Joyeuse gets turned into a museum ship
Thats a lot of dead Klingon ships. Im guessing that the nextgen nacelle project probably got one hell of a boost here.
The profusion of dead D-7s and D-6s means that both Starfleet Intelligence and the various ship design and construction interests in the Federation get a very close look at cutting edge Klingon/Romulan technology.
Including those areas where they are currently ahead of the Federation, like weapons, shields and power gen.
Which might help explain why no further Excalibur-class vessels were ordered after the war ended.
If you are already designing the successor class at the end of the war, you might simply build fewer of them and put additional effort into the next generation.
Similarly, this might/will probably affect Darwin procurement numbers.
More generally, Im guessing that losing this war was probably one driving factor in this timeline for the Klingon adoption of the cloaking field as a core feature on their Birds of Prey.
In canon, they got it from the Romulans before the Federation-Klingon War; with the war happening a couple decades ahead of schedule, that doesnt appear to have happened.
So Im guessing Klingon reassessment of post-war doctrine will lead to its adoption in this timeline
The late unlamented Chancellor did not seem the sort of person to pass up an opportunity to show off.
Furthermore, the Klingon alliance was a strategic priority for the Romulans.
And given as the Klingons dont appear to have demonstrated cloaking technology yet (they allegedly got it from the Romulans in the 2250s) I think that particular alliance will stand a buncha years more.
The profusion of dead D-7s and D-6s means that both Starfleet Intelligence and the various ship design and construction interests in the Federation get a very close look at cutting edge Klingon/Romulan technology.
Including those areas where they are currently ahead of the Federation, like weapons, shields and power gen.
Which might help explain why no further Excalibur-class vessels were ordered after the war ended.
If you are already designing the successor class at the end of the war, you might simply build fewer of them and put additional effort into the next generation.
Similarly, this might/will probably affect Darwin procurement numbers.
More generally, Im guessing that losing this war was probably one driving factor in this timeline for the Klingon adoption of the cloaking field as a core feature on their Birds of Prey.
In canon, they got it from the Romulans before the Federation-Klingon War; with the war happening a couple decades ahead of schedule, that doesnt appear to have happened.
So Im guessing Klingon reassessment of post-war doctrine will lead to its adoption in this timeline
The Romulans were intimately involved in designing the D7; they dont need to spy on the engagement when they are already inside the onion. I would be surprised if they dont have military observers in the Klingon fleet observing the progress of the war.
The late unlamented Chancellor did not seem the sort of person to pass up an opportunity to show off.
Furthermore, the Klingon alliance was a strategic priority for the Romulans.
And given as the Klingons dont appear to have demonstrated cloaking technology yet (they allegedly got it from the Romulans in the 2250s) I think that particular alliance will stand a buncha years more.
SaltyWaffles
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Why? From their standpoint, two rivals just weakened each other massively at little to no cost to the Romulans themselves. That's a huge win for them. That it didn't result in the death of the Federation is a disappointment, but since that would have resulted in a stronger Klingon Empire, the outcome they got is just as good.
Recall that in this timeline the Romulans were forced to give up details about cloaking that aid in detection, so its unlikely they could be too close to Andoria without their presence being detected.
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That was a couple tech generations ago. Both cloaks and sensors will have improved since then, and of those we only know by how much one has improved.
Cloaking isn't the only means of intelligence gathering, the Soviet Union had a rather massive fleet of fishing trawlers modified with high powered electronics surveillance equipment and even RADARs to snoop about anywhere* - the Argentinians were attempting to use the equipment in their S-2 during the Falklands War to vector in an attack on the British fleet, but the radar of one of the soviet 'fisherman' shadowing them completely overpowered it with how fucking strong their RADAR was, iirc.
*Given the range of space dwelling lifeforms, there's probably an equivalent to at least the whaling fleets even if regular fishing doesn't quite work.