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Leechblade said:
Piggot is gonna need healing. Now there are three of them. Fortunately the two she has to put up with are healers!
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Actually there are a lot more than 3 in Brockton currently.
Taylor, Amy, Hunts-the-Ice, Crystrani, Tiamat, and the family of Golds (one of which is also a student at Arcadia)

Trufla said:
Uhm, just a thought here, Max, but don't you think that Lung will have something to say about that little incursion? (Okay, we all know that Danny's dockworkers are likely to jump in as well, but as far as Max is concerned, that's a minor nuisance at best.)
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Lung's in PRT custody after fighting Nauralin, remember?
 
or something else. but who doesn't want to be a dragon?

the story is a few chapters further along over on crosstimecafe, but i'm not going to spoil anything.
 
Kryslin said:
Have a story post. You guys have been lucky, you got an omake and a story post this week. :)



This falls under 'certain flags being raised.' Say Taylor decided to mention that she was going to knock off the Federal Reserve Gold Despository at Fort Knox. Dr. Yamada has a legal obligation to pass that one up the chain of command, since it involves 'a plan to commit a capital crime.' (A rather foolish one, considering physical security is provided by the US Army, with Tanks, Helicopters, Aircraft, and Soldiers. Or as Smaug would put it, "I do so love a challenge.")
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I'm thinking Yamada already tells the higher ups everything said in sessions. While she's portrayed as the bringer of sanity, she still works for the government.
 
Can Polymorph have permanent duration in this take on D&D? Polymorph the willing into something long-lived, magical, and can shapeshift into human form (since that's what the mind will be used to for the immediate future).
 
Albert said:
Can Polymorph have permanent duration in this take on D&D? Polymorph the willing into something long-lived, magical, and can shapeshift into human form (since that's what the mind will be used to for the immediate future).
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Baleful Polymorph I think has a duration of "until negated". Might be wrong though, that spell doesn't come up often in campaigns I've played in.
 
Polymorph any object is an 8th level spell (just shy of the most powerful mortal magics) that can permanently turn anything into (almost) anything, with a few caveats. It can be used to turn people into young dragons, although people who are inexperienced (ie, have very few levels) could only turn into things like fairy dragons and pseudodragons, instead of the really powerful (albeit still young) ones.
 
So training camp until they can join the Dragon Army.

EDIT: I'm not entirely joking, either. Dragons are a dying species and it'd be a shame to let that glory pass from the local multiverse. If someone told me that in exchange for several years of hell-training I could start life over as a young D&D silver dragon, I'd be extraordinarily tempted. Thousands of years of life, being human when I feel like it, spellcasting . . . with Tiamat choosing to be as less malevolent as possible, the downsides are considerably reduced.
 
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Of course, there's always Wildshape (for a druid). Certain prestige classes gain the ability to wildshape into things other then normal animals. Which suddenly makes turning into a dragon a valid option. Polymorph can also do so, but with a limit to how many HD your new form can have. Still, a young dragon is possible. Pathfinder 1e adds the Form of the Dragon spells too.
 
Albert said:
Can Polymorph have permanent duration in this take on D&D? Polymorph the willing into something long-lived, magical, and can shapeshift into human form (since that's what the mind will be used to for the immediate future).
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Under 1e and 2e, Until Negated. However, you also had to roll to see if you survived the system shock.
3.5e says 1 minute / level Baleful Polymorph is permanent, however, you'd be a very small dragon (Size Small or smaller creature)
5e says 1 hour.

So, no. What is happening here goes far beyond merely changing one's form, it is changing one's essential nature. It is best explained thusly : Someone with a polymorph spell that has been made permanent on them gets a Dispel Magic type spell cast on them. If successful, they revert to whatever form they had prior to having the polymorph cast on them. When someone's essential nature is changed, it changes who they are; Instead of 'human using magic to be a dragon', they are simply a 'dragon'. You could cast Dispel Magic / Anti-Magic Shell / Disjunction on them all day long. They are still a dragon, and probably irritated and annoyed at you now.

Polymorph Any Object could be permanent, if the dragon was a young one. It could, however, still be dispelled.

While this is all philosophical fluff, it is the best way to explain why you need something like Wish or Miracle (or an Epic spell) to permanently change someone into a Dragon (or similar creature) with all the attendant powers and still be able to keep your mind intact.

So while I may be light-hearted in saying "Yer a dragon now, Taylor." and poking fun at the meme, in truth, that's what happened. Taylor's spirit and the spirit of the teenaged equivalent dragon Naurelin have merged and become one unique being. A power nullifier could nullify Taylor's shard derived power all day, it won't save them from getting claw/claw/bite/wing/tail/presenced/lit on fire by breath weapon. Likewise if a mage decided to cast Disjunction on Taylor, she's still a dragon.
 
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There are ways to make PAO undispellable and undisjoinable. A Supernatural ability, for instance, can only be suppressed in a dead magic zone or antimagic field spell. If you use nonmagical Devices, from Ravenloft: Legacy of the Blood, even DMZs and AMFs don't work.
 
There are, according to Savage Species (3.0 book) rituals which can be used to permanently change you into a different species. Yes, that includes dragons. But the rituals are rare and dangerous.
 
Kryslin said:
Under 1e and 2e, Until Negated. However, you also had to roll to see if you survived the system shock.
3.5e says 1 minute / level Baleful Polymorph is permanent, however, you'd be a very small dragon (Size Small or smaller creature)
5e says 1 hour.

So, no. What is happening here goes far beyond merely changing one's form, it is changing one's essential nature. It is best explained thusly : Someone with a polymorph spell that has been made permanent on them gets a Dispel Magic type spell cast on them. If successful, they revert to whatever form they had prior to having the polymorph cast on them. When someone's essential nature is changed, it changes who they are; Instead of 'human using magic to be a dragon', they are simply a 'dragon'. You could cast Dispel Magic / Anti-Magic Shell / Disjunction on them all day long. They are still a dragon, and probably irritated and annoyed at you now.

Polymorph Any Object could be permanent, if the dragon was a young one. It could, however, still be dispelled.

While this is all philosophical fluff, it is the best way to explain why you need something like Wish or Miracle (or an Epic spell) to permanently change someone into a Dragon (or similar creature) with all the attendant powers and still be able to keep your mind intact.

So while I may be light-hearted in saying "Yer a dragon now, Taylor." and poking fun at the meme, in truth, that's what happened. Taylor's spirit and the spirit of the teenaged equivalent dragon Naurelin have merged and become one unique being. A power nullifier could nullify Taylor's shard derived power all day, it won't save them from getting claw/claw/bite/wing/tail/presenced/lit on fire by breath weapon. Likewise if a mage decided to cast Disjunction on Taylor, she's still a dragon.
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True Polymorph is permanent until dispelled in 5e also, if concentrated on for the regular 1 hour duration. 9th level spell though.
 
Silly question, but considering the dragon lorebuilding, what would a Bismuth Dragon be like? Metallic, but also rainbow, good or "evil"?
 
Kryslin said:
there were gifts from two members of the Triumvirate
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Thus showing what a shit Eidolon is, because Amy obviously can't heal Alexandria (or her eye would have been fixed).

FaerieKnight79 said:
Baleful Polymorph I think has a duration of "until negated". Might be wrong though, that spell doesn't come up often in campaigns I've played in.
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I love Baleful Polymorph, because under the right circumstances, you can end up with a 14HD squirrel with a breath weapon.

Oh, wait, I should have warned everyone not to be drinking, shouldn't I? Sorry about that.
 
"Also, arrange to have some of the really fine Swiss chocolate and some flowers delivered to Ms. Dallon's room at the hospital. Anonymously."
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Free Nazi given chocolate is still free chocolate. That being said, would it still be considered Nazi Chocolate if sent anonymously? Who would consider not eating chocolate even if they knew a Nazi gave it to them?
 
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