It would not be the greater population that's the problem Even the super powered heroes and villains wouldn't be a problem. After all, these Evils would be use to dealing with arcane casters, divine casters, the odd psychic, and mortals who are practically supernaturally skilled at combat, stealth, or creating/disabling traps. All of whom can also withstand truly ridiculous amounts of punishment and keep coming. Think about it, an average npc might have 6 HP. A level 1 adventurer will have between 4 and 16 HP, depending on Class and constitution score. And depending on how HP at level up is handled every level can potentially double that amount. So even a wizard with con of 10 will reach points where they are far more injury resistant then the average person. Thus why the GM has to throw stronger foes or larger groups at higher level players. A group of 6 goblins might be a threat to a party of level 1 adventurers, but it's just a minor speed bump to most level 6 adventurers.

No, it's the more advanced weapon technology that would be the problem.
 
Last edited:
It would not be the greater population that's the problem Even the super powered heroes and villains wouldn't be a problem. After all, these Evils would be use to dealing with arcane casters, divine casters, the odd psychic, and mortals who are practically supernaturally skilled at combat, stealth, or creating/disabling traps. All of whom can also withstand truly ridiculous amounts of punishment and keep coming. Think about it, an average npc might have 6 HP. A level 1 adventurer will have between 4 and 16 HP, depending on Class and constitution score. And depending on how HP at level up is handled every level can potentially double that amount. So even a wizard with con of 10 will reach points where they are far more injury resistant then the average person. Thus why the GM has to throw stronger foes or larger groups at higher level players. A group of 6 goblins might be a threat to a party of level 1 adventurers, but it's just a minor speed bump to most level 6 adventurers.

No, it's the more advanced weapon technology that would be the problem.
Yeah, all of this is kind of my point. They're used to a world where city populations were a few hundred, maybe several thousand; things that allowed for larger cities, like concrete, rebar, indoor plumbing, etc hadn't developed. They don't know what electric lighting is. They don't know what firearms are. They don't know what modern Urban combat is, or the internal combustion engine. In other words, they are MASSIVELY out of their depth. Can you imagine what would happen when they faced their first police helicopter?

Dracolich has access to this knowledge, because he isn't stupid, and would have interrogated Coil thoroughly. He probably would have interrogated Emma and Sophia, too; he's not the type to care about the physical or mental well-being of young girls, as we've already seen.

So if he knows about this, and the Hobgoblin works for him, then why would he have not warned his goons about them? For that matter, why would he send a rabble of gobs to poke at the city, when the Yugoloths we already know he has would do better? Even if he wanted to use disposable assets that he could throw away just to gauge the response, they still would be more effective.

All of which points to the gobs being from someone else, with less in the way of information and resources.
 
Last edited:
They don't know what firearms are.

Not entirely true. They may be familiar with black powder weapons like the musket and matchlock pistols. Rare, but potentially known. In which case, the existence of firearms wont be a shock. The rate of fire on the other hand would be. As for why use hobgoblins? For the same reason anyone else does, they are very easy to manipulate.

BUt I do agree, the hobgoblins probably don't serve the dracolitch They could, but probably don't.
 
Yeah, all of this is kind of my point. They're used to a world where city populations were a few hundred, maybe several thousand; things that allowed for larger cities, like concrete, rebar, indoor plumbing, etc hadn't developed. They don't know what electric lighting is. They don't know what firearms are. They don't know what modern Urban combat is, or the internal combustion engine. In other words, they are MASSIVELY out of their depth. Can you imagine what would happen when they faced their first police helicopter?
Basically the 2nd episode of Gate in which the invasion of Tokyo through the eponymous gate is shown. You get a period of chaos in which the invading army charges forth slaying those in front of them, grabs a number of those nearby who weren't killed as slaves sent back through the gate, does a little looting, and then the self defense forces show up and the dragon riders are removed from the sky via 20mm cannon and wire guided missiles and the ground troops discover their shields may be quite effective against sword, arrow, and spear, but they are not good at stopping bullets from rifles and machine guns.

There may be issues with Gate, but that part I don't think is one of them. The air drop right outside the walls of the capital on the other hand, don't see any reason other than plot armor for that not to have ended up a disaster.
 
The air drop right outside the walls of the capital on the other hand, don't see any reason other than plot armor for that not to have ended up a disaster.
Was that the episode where they rode in on helicopters while screaming Wagner RotV? If so then I could definitely see shock and awe working against the defenders as they collectively go WTF.
 
I think he's talking about the 2nd or 3rd to last episode, actually, where they send the paratroopers in to rescue their envoy and the political prisoners. Keep in mind that the guy in charge was a meathead who was easily manipulated by his bunny-girl slave, and giving conflicting orders. It explains a lot. Had Piña's father, the Emperor, been it charge, it would have been a different fight, and a hotly contested drop zone.
 
I think he's talking about the 2nd or 3rd to last episode, actually, where they send the paratroopers in to rescue their envoy and the political prisoners. Keep in mind that the guy in charge was a meathead who was easily manipulated by his bunny-girl slave, and giving conflicting orders. It explains a lot. Had Piña's father, the Emperor, been it charge, it would have been a different fight, and a hotly contested drop zone.
I have to imagine that Zorzal's (I think that was his name, been a bit since I've watched the anime or read an update to the fanfic for it I like) secret police/enforcers killed enough competent officers that no one on guard duty was willing to do more than point at all those slowly falling Men In Green without someone in favor with Z Bro ordering doing otherwise. (Said fanfic had the troops land a little further out and had the Allied Forces* remember, "Oh yeah, these guys had dragon riders who are kind of like or attack helicopters, we should have a plan to take them out.") But like I said, even just one magic wind gust or a single dragon rider would have caused chaos and put the whole operation at risk. Or maybe someone actually sounds an alarm so you don't have things like a bunch of guards simply sitting and eating a meal ready to be taken out by someone rolling a grenade into the room. All I can believe is anyone competent in the capital guard had either been purged or was part of Piña's troops stuck guarding the openly present Japanese ambassadors. Because even an out of context attack like that shouldn't have gone that cleanly.

*The Fanfic doesn't have only the Japanese involved due to A: there are embassies not too far from where the gate opened up and the invaders were unlikely to have any reason to leave them alone, and B: there are US military facilities in the area and if the US embassy is threatened (and to a lesser degree close allies embassies) their response to being told not to move to defend the embassy would be something along the lines of, "We will either move out coordinating with your troops or move out independently. You've got until a finish getting our convoy assembled to decide which it will be."
 
Last edited:
I've not seen Gate yet. So I have no idea what their magical capabilities are in the anime's fantasy world. But in a D&D setting you have the following that any smart badguy is aware of:

*Roaming bands of 4-8 Adventurers who can routinely decimate entire armies when they feel the need
*Individuals (and groups) who can decimate entire demonic armies if they feel the need
*Individuals who can teleport anywhere, scry anywhere that isn't protected, and remotely kill a target after scrying their location (Scry & Die is an old tactic)
*Flying monsters capable of leveling towns and cities on their own
*Kobolds
*Tucker's Kobolds (yes, that specifically needs to be called out)
*Gnomish engineers (possibly the most frightening thing you'll ever encounter)
*Actual deities who intervene regularly and on rare occasion actually show up in person
*Lovecraftian horrors from Beyond
*Fae (as frightening as Lovecraftian horrors to those who know)
*And a nigh unkillable beast that has laid to waste kingdoms when it shows up.
 
I've not seen Gate yet. So I have no idea what their magical capabilities are in the anime's fantasy world. But in a D&D setting you have the following that any smart badguy is aware of:
In a D&D setting there is no such thing as a smart bad guy. Simply because if they were smart they wouldn't bother since they do actually know about your list and would generally go: "Not worth the headache". Especially since managing an Evil Army (TM) is likely about as easy as herding cats without the benefit of copious amounts of catnip.

Also, which nigh unkillable beast are you speaking of, or is it actually the multiple such nasty critters that you meant.
 
Fall 10
"Wow, the place has changed since we were last here," Chris commented. He, along with the rest of the Wards, were sitting in the guest house that a bunch of dwarven craftsmen had constructed while they had some idle time. "And this looks like it'll withstand a siege."

The room they were sitting in was framed with heavy timbers and the walls were made of stone cut so expertly one had to look closely to see the seams. Likewise, the windows were deep, and the glass was triple-paned. All the metalwork was expertly done, and would be considered works of art back home. While most of it was iron or steel, there were decorative splashes of copper, brass, bronze, chrome and silver.

Considering the potential for magic and exotic materials, the whole thing might be a lot stronger than glass, hardwood, common stone, and metal.

And the furniture inside was equally well built and sturdy. Again, expertly crafted and like the stonework, so well joined one could not easily see the individual pieces of wood.

Taylor nodded. "The crew that did this does very good work, and I'm glad they did it as a favor to one of my patrons, because I doubt I could have afforded them on my own. As for sieges, I've managed to stock some preserved food in the pantries here." She looked around the room. "The utility spellwork here is something else, too. We've got lights, heating and cooling, running hot and cold water, and waste disposal."

"So no having to chop wood, or get water from a well," Mizuchi said. "Or pooping in a ditch." At the looks from everyone else, she shrugged. "My father described his trip in ancient Japan. Things were kinda… icky."

"Yeah, none of that here," Taylor said. "Anyway, we might as well kick back for a while. I don't think we're going to be allowed back for some time. And as I can't think of any other way to do it, I still need to decide how to get in touch with Hlal to have her tell Armsmaster we're OK."

"You could simply tell me," Hlal, in her guise as Hailey, smugly stated from where she sat at the table with a flagon of wine in hand. "Tia's got some good taste." The reactions of everyone were predictable, everyone staring at the woman for a few seconds before facepalming.

"I'd ask how you keep doing that," Taylor said. "But then you might actually tell me. So instead, I'll ask, how did you know we were here?"

Hailey gave Taylor a smirk."You show wisdom beyond your years," she stated, taking another pull from the flagon before answering. "As to how I know? Did you forget that my boyfriend is in the Protectorate? At a comment from Armsmaster, he asked me to check if you were here."

"Since when did Dennis become the responsible one?" Dinah asked. "I mean, yeah, he's smarter and more observant than most give him credit for, but being responsible?"

"People grow up, Dinah," Missy said, kicking back and putting her feet on the table. "Even Dennis."

"Noooooo!" Takara added, with a look of mock horror on her face, hands on her face. "Say it isn't so!"

Before Missy could bop Takara gently on the head, Hailey did, getting a stuck out tongue in return. "Ah, Mage Hand is a wonderful toy," she said smugly.

"Pass on to Armsmaster that we're safe," Taylor requested. "We'll probably stay overnight here, and pop back to the flight deck in the morning around 0600. And Chris?"

"Yeah, Taylor?"

"Break out those Hostess™ cupcakes." Soon a box was tossed to her. "How many do you want for carrying the message?"

"Nah, keep 'em," Hailey answered. "You're not the one who needs to pay. Dennis does. And half the payment's already been made." She paused. "Do you – keep those here?"

"No, we brought them. But I've got an oven and ingredients."

"Beyond your years," Hailey repeated.

= = = = = = = = = =​

"What are they?" Battery, aka Karen, asked. "Besides slimy, fish-like, and suicidal."

Armsmaster paused in his task of examining the bodies of the creatures that had tried to storm The Rig and failed miserably. And it would take days, literally, to get the fishy smell out of the complex, because they'd gotten into the ventilation ducts and run afoul of some of the countermeasures there.

"Kuo-toa," Armsmaster stated. "Subterranean dwelling icthyoids who are, as a race, insane fanatics."

"Is this something out of your old gaming materials?" Triumph asked. "Sure seems like it." His lion-themed costume had been torn up by some of the creatures successfully grappling him and trying to drag him down with a man-catcher. There was a little blood, but he was otherwise unharmed.

"Yes, they are," Armsmaster answered. "Usually not much of a threat. The problem is that they are encountered in large groups, and they are always looking for surface dwellers to sacrifice to whatever being they happen to be worshipping.

"They also look for loot and plunder to take back to wherever they came from," he finished.

Assault looked slightly confused, then snorted. "Ain't gonna find anything like that here," he finally said. "Maybe at some coin collector's house, but not here. We're poorly paid civil servants, after all."

Armsmaster simply nodded. He'd make note of the fact he confused Assault, because that rarely happened for whatever reason, and he could count the times he'd done it on one hand. He also didn't intend to point out that what Kuo-toa considered "loot and plunder" probably didn't match human standards.

"So how many are still alive?" Miss Militia asked. "We've just finished clearing out the last ones that got electrocuted in the ventilation ducts."

"There's a few," Velocity added. "The cook in the main cafeteria knocked some out with that massive skillet of hers while they were distracted by the food. Supper will be available after she finishes cleaning."

From across the bay, there was the sizzle of high voltage electricity as it arced over the hull and superstructure of HMS Prince of Wales. In the flickering light, one could barely make out the stunted forms dancing an impromptu jig as the ship dealt with boarders in its own fashion.

"Wonderful," Armsmaster growled. "International incidents are annoying to deal with."

"If these things aren't Americans, it's already an international incident," noted Assault. "Assuming anybody wants to claim them."

"Instructions for the prisoners, sir?" one of the troopers asked.

"Disarm and place them in the holding cells," Armsmaster instructed. "Every hour or so, turn on the fire suppression system in those cells on mist. They are amphibious. We will figure out dietary requirements later."

"So, what are we going to do with them?" Dauntless asked.

"We are going to turn them over to the military as unlawful combatants," Armsmaster stated. "First we should finish cleaning up out here and then sweep The Rig. Make note of any damage you find." His communications gear indicated an incoming call.

"At least we won't have to deal with the Youth Guard," he said quietly.

"They make it someplace safe?" Miss Militia asked.

Armsmaster nodded. "Naurelin's lair, as I expected. They have lodgings there and will stay overnight, returning in the morning."

"About as safe as anywhere," Miss Militia commented.

"I wonder what problems others are having?" Assault asked before getting on with making sure no more of those googly eyed things were lurking on The Rig.

= = = = = = = = = =​

Off in some gods forsaken pit, a certain yugoloth sat in thought. He'd had this existence inflicted on him by some unprintable being who was utterly nihilistic. That being wanted to destroy everything and reduce this universe to something cold and empty. Something that would naturally occur according to some theories in ten billion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion years.

No, he didn't know the actual estimates, it wasn't important.

But Falazure was an impatient fuck for someone who had nearly all of that time to plot, plan and execute those plans. Supposedly, he'd tried to end everything once before, to be stopped for a thousand years when his sister sacrificed herself and glassed an entire continent on a dead world to end his plans.

It was an important lesson to learn: Do not fuck with a dragon, and especially do not fuck with their progenitors, who were their gods. And of course, the same applied to the originator of dragons, Io, known to some as Asgorath, currently 'sleeping' away his imprisonment in a perfect crystalline model of the universe, crafted by an ancient race of primitive mystics.

Sleeping? Bah. He knew better. Io wasn't asleep, just biding his time. He'd found the chamber where his hated master kept the crystalline prison, and the image of the dragon opened his eyes, smirked, winked at him, and closed his eyes. At that moment, a seed had been planted. Knowledge was almost as dangerous as hope when sent into a being's heart (or what passed for one in his new body).

An image of a hidden library and how to access it had been placed in his mind. It didn't take him long to find it, and then gain access to it and the treasures it contained. Like the amulet he wore, which kept others, even his hated master, from scrying him, reading his mind, and otherwise using any form of divination to find him. And in that library, he learned a number of useful things.

Like how to tap the mystic ring that Falazure had crafted to charge an item that would shatter the sphere of perfectly balanced metaphysical, arcane and physical properties. A shattering that would allow Io to leave his prison and deal with the moronic dracolich. If there was one being his master feared, it was the being who gave him power. Deprived of his native power, the spells holding what was left of Falazure's spirit to the wreck of a body he inhabited would be gone, and the vessel that had held it would crumble to dust.

The creature who had been Thomas Calvert wasn't expecting a reward for what he was doing. From what he'd read, Io only concerned himself with dragons and draconic affairs, not a lowly, scheming what-ever-he'd-become. His reason for doing this was completely selfish, to pull the rug out from underneath his master's schemes and get revenge for grabbing him before he could proceed to whatever awaited him in the afterlife.

If he didn't believe in it before, he most certainly did now. And he had no delusions about what awaited him. He just wanted to be there instead of here.

= = = = = = = = = =​

In another pit, Falazure went over how his various schemes were proceeding. His plan to remove all dragons save himself from Creation had been mostly successful, though on one world the numbers of them had recently been slowly increasing.

That simply would not do. Still, in the end, it wouldn't matter, as his goal was to end everything, leaving nothing behind. Even his hated father would fade into nothingness when he enacted the ritual to merge this universe with its opposite, the two canceling each other out.

At the edges of his perception, he could almost hear the sound of laughter. Whose laughter remained the question, as the being had never identified itself. The suggestion of noise annoyed him, laughing at his alleged weaknesses and inferiority, at the futility of his efforts to end everything so a new First World could be born.

And this time, keep it.

He had driven a wedge between his older brothers and sister, so that no single group would ever trust the other enough to do more than slow him down. However, by removing one of the original twelve dragons from the equation, he'd opened up the First World so that other, lesser beings could infest it.

When Io had discovered this, he had shattered the First World, its shards becoming all the worlds, and the dragons cast out to the myriad splinter worlds created by that act. One that had angered several of the children of Io. Drove one of them mad. And he had to rebuild his schemes as he sought to learn both his place in the new worlds he found himself in, and how those worlds worked.

Almost immediately he came into conflict with his slightly younger sister, Tamara. Fortunately, she had chosen to keep things as indirect foiling of his followers' schemes to spread death, undeath and decay across multitudes of worlds. The one time she did intervene directly, she'd almost destroyed him completely.

If his phylactery had been any closer, it would have been destroyed in the blast. He decided to check on the safety of the vessel which still held his spirit…

And was rather concerned that he couldn't find it.
 
Doom doom doomity new chapter is posted doom doom doom.

Doom doom
edits by McClaw doomity doom doom doom...

Doom
doom doom.

Enjoy your doom, I mean Wordz™ responsibly.
 
I think that Armsmaster forgot one specific quality of the Kuo-Toa. Or it might just have not been relevant, but either way, I feel like it's rather important to remember that the Kuo-Toa have the inexplicable ability to create gods through their collective fanaticism.
 
And just a word...

Scaling Up won't be updating next week. Holly-daze and all that stuff happening.

My Life as a Teenaged Juggernaut might (If I can get the next chapter of that done tonight...).

We'll resume our normal posting on Jan 4th, 2025.
 
If anyone else in this story was to become a dragon it'll probably be a certain girl over at Arcadia known to be enthusiastic about Lizards with whom Taylor shares a couple of classes and thinks might be an interesting, if slightly loony person to get to know.
 
Pretty sure the only dragon-related thing ol'd Tommy is gonna be when all is said and done would be a certain alchemical ingreadiant called Draconic Ash - as in the ash left behind when someone has been on the recieving end for a case of lizardly Insendiary halitosis.

More likely he's gonna be something equally firey which comes for the other end, J - thou i pity the dragon who gulps him like a chicken nugget for how bad the case of the hershey squrts that they're gonna have is gonna be... Coil would make Godzilla have intergestion...
 
More likely he's gonna be something equally firey which comes for the other end, J - thou i pity the dragon who gulps him like a chicken nugget for how bad the case of the hershey squrts that they're gonna have is gonna be... Coil would make Godzilla have intergestion...
Thing is, he's well aware he's headed for the Hot Place, and in fact would rather be there right now than in his current situation.
 
Back
Top