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I'm not going to weigh in on the logic of either side's arguments, but I will ask that everyone read over what they write and really consider if the words they used are polite and won't be inflammatory intentionally or not. You cant account for people's tolerances perfectly but at least try to say your piece without saying things that can be easily construed as overly dismissive of the other side of the argument, thank you.

Please endeavour to be cordial. :^)
 
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[x] Plan Santa the Hold Founder

[X] Plan Build That Hold and Rune Metal

[X] Plan: Return of the Gift Giver
 
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Of course we don't need it. But it's not about us, it's about the generations of dawi who had to suffer under Hashut's followers. We made an Oath to give all that we are able, and we are able to much more than most.
We are not giving anything when we're just pissing away actions. This is supplies to build the Hold, not the Hold itself. Moreover, you're letting some words get in the way of actual progress, we're giving them all we're able regardless by dint of the locked in actions. Please don't act like going all in the is the only way to get them the supplies and materials in full.
 
So over the next couple of turns I'd like to study Suneater's Brain and compress Glittering Beacon down. I feel like we've got a prospective tier 5 banner with these two alone. I believe someone wrote down which runes would be best for this banner?
 
[x] Plan Santa the Hold Founder

[X] Plan: Return of the Gift Giver


Let's get this over with.
 
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[X] Plan Build That Hold and Rune Metal
[X] Plan Build That Hold and Take A Walk
[X] Plan: Return of the Gift Giver
[X] Plan Santa the Hold Founder
 
Kinda stupid maybe already asked question. How deep Gronti research would Snorri have to go to make Gronti-plate. Like Power armor but Runic? That's where my mind headed beyond making giant super gronti that breathe fire and the like.
 
We are not giving anything when we're just pissing away actions. This is supplies to build the Hold, not the Hold itself. Moreover, you're letting some words get in the way of actual progress, we're giving them all we're able regardless by dint of the locked in actions. Please don't act like going all in the is the only way to get them the supplies and materials in full.
Yanno, I'm convinced.
EVA speaks good common sense.
That said, I still believe hoarding Valaya favor to be unbecoming of Snorri, narratively speaking, but I'm definitely going to alter my plan to reduce Snorri's actions down to 1.
Any suggestions on what to use the freed up two actions?
Not that it will matter much, since I realize I'm rather in a drastic minority for wanting to burn CoV favors, just for narrative reasons, and thus will be astonished if anyone takes up my plan.
 
Yanno, I'm convinced.
EVA speaks good common sense.
That said, I still believe hoarding Valaya favor to be unbecoming of Snorri, narratively speaking, but I'm definitely going to alter my plan to reduce Snorri's actions down to 1.
Any suggestions on what to use the freed up two actions?
Not that it will matter much, since I realize I'm rather in a drastic minority for wanting to burn CoV favors, just for narrative reasons, and thus will be astonished if anyone takes up my plan.
Finish off one of the smaller research actions, finish off the Odd Places, finish off Durazkul and an Odd Place...
 
Yanno, I'm convinced.
EVA speaks good common sense.
That said, I still believe hoarding Valaya favor to be unbecoming of Snorri, narratively speaking, but I'm definitely going to alter my plan to reduce Snorri's actions down to 1.
Any suggestions on what to use the freed up two actions?
Not that it will matter much, since I realize I'm rather in a drastic minority for wanting to burn CoV favors, just for narrative reasons, and thus will be astonished if anyone takes up my plan.
That's not the point. We only have 50 Favour with the Cult of Valaya but we have 555 Favour with Otrek and Kraka Drakk.

Also there have been somethings where we can only use the Favour of one faction so making sure we save what little Favour with the CoV is just practical when we can use some of the vast amount we have with Otrek.
 
[X] Plan: Even Further Beyond
-[X] Render Aid: [Cost: 1 retainer action] 1 Retainer Action
-[X] Hold Founding: [Cost 6 actions] Productivity Like no Other will proc. 3 Actions. 2 Apprentice Actions.
-[X] [Simple] Yorri's Request: [Cost: 2 apprentice actions]
--[X] Accept

They call it Kraka Snorri because the Gift Giver built the entire hold by himself in just one decade.
 
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[X] Plan: Gift Giver - Karak crafter, Odd delver, Tuber tester
-[X] Render Aid: [Cost: 1 retainer action] 1 Retainer Action
-[X] Hold Founding: [Cost 6 actions] Productivity Like no Other will proc. 1 Actions.
--[X] A Favour from Otrek: [Cost: 10 Favour from Kraka Drakk] 60 Kraka Drakk Favour
--[X] Clerical Aid: [Cost: 10 Favour from the Cult of Valaya] 10 Cult of Valaya Favour
-[X] Odd Places 8/10: [Cost: 1 action] Can be taken multiple times. Roll for usefulness. 1 Action.
-[X] Durazkul: [Cost: (4 -3) =1 action] Student of the Odd and Soul of the Earth will proc.
-[X] [Simple] Yorri's Request: [Cost: 2 apprentice actions] 2 Apprentice Actions.
--[X] Accept

[X] Plan Build That Hold and Take A Walk
 
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[X] Plan: Even Further Beyond
-[X] Render Aid: [Cost: 1 retainer action] 1 Retainer Action
-[X] Hold Founding: [Cost 6 actions] Productivity Like no Other will proc. 4 Actions.
-[X] [Simple] Yorri's Request: [Cost: 2 apprentice actions] 2 Apprentice Actions.
--[X] Accept

They call it Kraka Snorri because the Gift Giver built the entire hold by himself in just one decade.
We don't have 4 actions.
 
[X] Plan: Even Further Beyond
-[X] Render Aid: [Cost: 1 retainer action] 1 Retainer Action
-[X] Hold Founding: [Cost 6 actions] Productivity Like no Other will proc. 4 Actions.
-[X] [Simple] Yorri's Request: [Cost: 2 apprentice actions] 2 Apprentice Actions.
--[X] Accept

They call it Kraka Snorri because the Gift Giver built the entire hold by himself in just one decade.
hold founding is not building but supplying, at best we supplied everything needed on our dime....paying for an entire karak founding does sound kind of epic now that I think about it
 
[X] Plan: Even Further Beyond
-[X] Render Aid: [Cost: 1 retainer action] 1 Retainer Action
-[X] Hold Founding: [Cost 6 actions] Productivity Like no Other will proc. 4 Actions.
-[X] [Simple] Yorri's Request: [Cost: 2 apprentice actions] 2 Apprentice Actions.
--[X] Accept

They call it Kraka Snorri because the Gift Giver built the entire hold by himself in just one decade.
No, they didn't because this isn't going to build the Hold. And we don't have 4 actions.
 
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