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NorseQuest (A Norse Xianxia)

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I have just got a sick feeling. Maybe I am wrong.
What if, just what if, the Seeress' father was the Master of Drysalt? If he had hidden his relationship with his daughter, or if Solrun previously used to stay somewhere else and only came here after her father was killed to get revenge, then nobody would give the Seeress a hard time because they dont know her origin. So, this entire time our entire line would be the bad guys, except for Horra because fuck Horra.
So, whats tapping my paranoia is, are we entirely sure that Solrun isnt an agent of the enemy? What if we just handed over Wolfwind to a worse master then Horra? And Solrun's delight at the fact that we will be learning Seidr from her soon.... could it be because we are essentially giving the Enemy a free opportunity to fuck over us and our cultivation.
 
DeadmanwalkingXI said:
He killed her father. Regardless of the rights or wrongs that's gonna leave a mark. Something to bear in mind regarding Horra's kids going forward. Though hopefully they're a bit less fondly disposed towards him (he struck me as a not-great parent, though he did clearly love his son).
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Well, the outlawing means (if I'm understanding correctly) that they don't have to seek vengeance.

That doesn't mean that they necessarily won't.

Solar Saiyan said:
I have just got a sick feeling. Maybe I am wrong.
What if, just what if, the Seeress' father was the Master of Drysalt? If he had hidden his relationship with his daughter, or if Solrun previously used to stay somewhere else and only came here after her father was killed to get revenge, then nobody would give the Seeress a hard time because they dont know her origin. So, this entire time our entire line would be the bad guys, except for Horra because fuck Horra.
So, whats tapping my paranoia is, are we entirely sure that Solrun isnt an agent of the enemy? What if we just handed over Wolfwind to a worse master then Horra? And Solrun's delight at the fact that we will be learning Seidr from her soon.... could it be because we are essentially giving the Enemy a free opportunity to fuck over us and our cultivation.
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Pretty sure that Blackhand would have noticed that one somewhere along the way.
 
Sirrocco said:
Well, the outlawing means (if I'm understanding correctly) that they don't have to seek vengeance.

That doesn't mean that they necessarily won't.
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Yup. That's the worry. I'm hoping we can sit down and talk about this and convince some of them to, y'know, just not, with Wolfwind serving as mediator, but I suspect we're gonna need to kill some more people before we're done even after Horra's death.

Maybe convince them this was clearly all a setup to some degree and Drysalt is the real enemy of both of us? That's clearly at least partially true given what seems to have happened to Hasvir Horrason.

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Pretty sure that Blackhand would have noticed that one somewhere along the way.
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Yeah, I'm really doubtful that Solrun is anything malevolent. She's just a woman who loved her father and asked Blackhand to avenge him.
 
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Hasvirshame/Hasvir's Shame (Shard)
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    • Hasvirshame/Hasvir's Shame

    Hasvir Valley-Savior,
    Hero slays the monster.

    Meets ending undeserved,
    Maiden's hateful vengeance.

    Son slays mother's children,
    Sides with Valley's terror.

    High from Asgard he sees,
    His Horra Hasvirshame.

    @Imperial Fister

    I found out that you can't actually make a proper Skaldic verse in English.

    Oh well.

    e: But insult verses were absolutely a thing, soooo
     
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    Hasvirshame/Hasvir's Shame
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    Cool!
    Shard said:
    @Imperial Fister

    I found out that you can't actually make a proper Skaldic verse in English.
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    I'll let you in on a little secret. I'm not actually checking to see if the poems follow skaldic rules. I'm just trusting that people tried their best when they talk about skaldic stuff.

    So this is good enough for me. Have a Reward Dice and an orthstirr.

    0~0~0

    Every time I think about Steinarr and Horra, I think of that one wrestling clip of the guy landing on his feet after a flip.

    I can't find the original, unedited copy (in fact it seems that it was taken down via a copyright claim... sigh) so this Jojo's edit shall have to do.


    View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zCMVOL8stR4
     
    Uh... what *are* the skaldic rules?

    The only one I followed was the "every line should be six syllables" which seemed pretty stable, and a bit of the "say things in clever ways and via references so that they're not immediately obvious". If there were supposed to be other rules, I wasn't even aware of them.
     
    To quote the guide I found, but with line breaks for each rule:

    Each stanza has eight lines,
    and each line has six syllables.
    Three syllables in each line must be stressed, and the last syllable must be unstressed.
    The lines are linked in alliterating pairs, and the first line of each pair must have two alliterating syllables.
    All lines must have internal rhyme.

    This is...pretty much impossible. Of those five rules, the first and second are doable and the fourth can be managed with difficulty. Someone can probably manage the fifth but that person is not me. The third verges on impossible.

    When I write these, I stick to rules #1 and #2, and try and alliterate as much as possible to aim for #4. I've occasionally tried to rhyme but it hasn't worked out. I gave up on #3 sometime during my first attempt and have never tried again.
     
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    The reason that it's so weird (at least in english) is that it's an oral art that's been adapted to a written one. Rule #3 is a bit easier when it's spoken, cause you can stress and unstress syllables pretty ad hoc when you're speaking.

    Certainly gives you a whole new respect for the Norse, though.
     
    CedeTheBees said:
    ....Hey Blackhand? What end did you give him?
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    'I shredded his lungs, forcing him to drown on dry land. In fairness, he had stabbed me through the face so I couldn't see where I was hitting him. Still, not a pleasant death.

    He was a hero, a good man. I was not that.

    You are better now than I was then. Already, you have realized things that took me until the end of my life to learn.'
     
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    *Horra stands in his sanctum, with as many dragur as he's managed to activate before Halla's crew shows up*
    Steinarr: What a glorious sight. No legalities to hide behind, nowhere for him to run, no neighbors with families of their own whose only crime was being tricked into an alliance with a wretch. I can simply destroy all that is in my way, and have no regrets come the next morning. Thank you, Halla, for the best Yule present I ever had.
     
    Spring King said:
    Yeah. That's the Sword. As for the Horse? At this point in time, a properly armored warhorse was essentially a Main Battle Tank. With cultivator BS, I'd imagine a Christian Hero on his horse could quite literally charge straight through most defenses (shield walls, regular walls, etc.) before even drawing the damn Sword.
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    Further note, after I did a little bit of re-reading;

    The Horse in question was called Grani, a descendent of none other than Sleipnir

    Honestly, in comparison to Gram and Grani, Ship and Sail is looking a bit lackluster lmao
     
    Imperial Fister said:
    Further note, after I did a little bit of re-reading;

    The Horse in question was called Grani, a descendent of none other than Sleipnir

    Honestly, in comparison to Gram and Grani, Ship and Sail is looking a bit lackluster lmao
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    To be fair, if Sigurd's story had included "and then Sigurd got a ship," the ship in question would no doubt be considerably more metal than whatever ship we're gonna get for this.

    Imperial Fister said:
    The reason that it's so weird (at least in english) is that it's an oral art that's been adapted to a written one. Rule #3 is a bit easier when it's spoken, cause you can stress and unstress syllables pretty ad hoc when you're speaking.

    Certainly gives you a whole new respect for the Norse, though.
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    This is how Eminem can come up with multiple rhymes for "orange."
     
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    I found it interesting that Gabriel can suffer from Sin/Sinheart/equivalent of Nidheart, even when he was genuinely doing good things. Is Sin based around guilt? Nid seems based around Shame, so if Sin is based around guilt then it would make sense that Gabriel can suffer Sin even if he was being a good person and doing good things.
     
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    Shard said:
    I found it interesting that Gabriel can suffer from Sin/Sinheart/equivalent of Nidheart, even when he was genuinely doing good things. Is Sin based around guilt? Nid seems based around Shame, so if Sin is based around guilt then it would make sense that Gabriel can suffer Sin even if he was being a good person and doing good things.
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    We don't actually know that he's suffering from Sin. It's possible but unproven.
     
    I'm pretty sure that Christian cultivators in this setting are always suffering from Sin because doctrinally it's something you can never fully purify yourself of.

    I figure it's the functional equivalent for them of the 'impurities' you see in classical xianxia settings; you're always trying to expel it and you obsess over doing so but that doesn't mean you can be done.
     
    The whole Blackhand killed Hasvir, Hasvirs son (Horra) killed Blackhands sons (Uncles) so Blackhands other sons (Steinarr) hunts down and "kills" Horra, and when its found that Horra is alive we (Halla Steinardottir) is sent to Horra Hasvirsson. And sould we succed one of Horra's children will probably get sent to kill us.

    While this does tie into the Norse belief in a cyclical nature of the world, it actually makes me think more of russian/slavic Blood Feuds as in: "you killed my dad so i will kill you" and then the son says "you killed my dad so i will kill you", and so on and so on until the entire family is killed or until one of them converts to Cristianity.

    Now why Cristianity you might ask, well because Cristianity preaches forgiveness; turn the other cheek and all that, and usually it actually works. To me this would be the ideal solution to the whole Horra situation, not converting to Cristianity but to use the teaching we got from the bible to forgive Horra and his family and stop all the blood feuding right here.

    But i also understand that this will never happen, not because is think that the questers are too blodthirsty, but because as kind a man as Jeremus is our bible teaching was more focused on converting us to Cristianity by showing how awesome Jesus is than actually sharing philosophy on forgivenss and all that.
     
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    Spring King said:
    With cultivator BS, I'd imagine a Christian Hero on his horse could quite literally charge straight through most defenses (shield walls, regular walls
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    We know that a Knight's horse is sapient in this setting, so cultivator BS likely lets the horse do it before the Hero even charges up his Zeal.

    … Doubly so if said horse is descended from Sleipnir.
     
    I mean, I think both Halla and we the questers are entirely prepared to bury the hatchet once Horra is dead. Like, I sincerely think we'd be happy to live and let live...none of Horra's kids have done anything to us that even warrants real vengeance, so we don't even need to forgive, there's nothing to forgive.

    The problem is on their end, and sadly I don't think we're gonna be able to successfully preach forgiveness to them given we killed their father. My hope is that we can convince them that ultimately, the only living person responsible for all this is Drysalt, and we can maybe join forces against the real enemy there? But it's a hope, not truly an expectation.
     
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    That's why weregild is so important in Norse society. It's to prevent escalating feuds like this.

    Of course given Horra's an Outlaw and we also have shite relationships with the Horrasons/Horradottir, not really seeing how we avoid an escalating feud saga with Horra's children lol.
     
    Shard said:
    Of course given Horra's an Outlaw and we also have shite relationships with the Horrasons/Horradottir, not really seeing how we avoid an escalating feud saga with Horra's children lol.
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    Theres very good odds that the only one of Horra's children that will survive what's coming is going to be his daughter, and there's no way that Wolfwind won't swing a way to keep his own grandchildren from killing themselves against the woman that saved him from enslavement and her own descendents.
     
    Shard said:
    That's why weregild is so important in Norse society. It's to prevent escalating feuds like this.

    Of course given Horra's an Outlaw and we also have shite relationships with the Horrasons/Horradottir, not really seeing how we avoid an escalating feud saga with Horra's children lol.
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    We actually don't have much of a relationship one way or the other with Veny Horrasdottir, and have an in with her father in law. The sons are...more of an issue, at least the three we know about. We'll see if we can convince them to take the path of peace, but I'm honestly not expecting much there.
     
    DeadmanwalkingXI said:
    We actually don't have much of a relationship one way or the other with Veny Horrasdottir, and have an in with her father in law. The sons are...more of an issue, at least the three we know about. We'll see if we can convince them to take the path of peace, but I'm honestly not expecting much there.
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    Id be very shocked if Horra didnt lose his shit and summon them to back him up for his proverbial final stand
     
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