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No! Stop.
The Foundries whole thing was that once you start using it, it becomes harder and harder to justify not doing it.
The Foundry: Not even once.
May The Invisible Hand Be With You - (Star Wars CK2-Style Quest)
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The Foundries whole thing was that once you start using it, it becomes harder and harder to justify not doing it.
The Foundry: Not even once.
It helps to remember that every single Chiss, including Thrawn, that heard Mnngal-Mnngal had made it out of the Unknown Regions immediately went into full panic damage control mode.
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I hope this helps. They are kinda short general summaries though and I might got some of them wrong so anyone feel free to correct me. I'll also admit I'm not very good at giving them.
A former spy meets Galvin in a bar to attempt to get recruited in the abyss watchers. The former spy is one Michael Westen
One of the Abyss watchers has an idea to use an KKV before the battle of Kalee occurs to hit a hardened CIS postion. During the Battle of Kalee a weather Sattlite falls out of Orbit.
Ahsoka, Thrawn, HK-47, Priam get a new player in Ripath in their star war's equivalent of D&D game.
Thrawn and Silas talk about Ciaran's past as a child living in the undercity of Corsaunt and how she got her talent for selling information.
Story starts out with Ripath and Derra playing a game of the star war's equivalent of D&D that has been simulated while on their way to Tython. While exploring another temple on Tython they find other locations of Jedi Temples around the galaxy
Dooku reflects on some things that have happened in story. He is visited by the force ghost of Qui-Gon Jinn.
Dooku and Qui-Gon talk about some things. Later on Dooku visits Ciaran.
Basically what it says on the tin here!
Which reminds me that I should update the omake count. It's been 4.5 months, though only 13 pages in the thread, since the last one:
Hopefully we'll get the final part of our base purchase/upgrade results soon, so we can start the next turn! (I'm looking forward to posting our end-of-turn map, which has been ready to go since @Dr. Snark rolled for CNS recruitment back in March).
Since then, we have added another 13 omakes to the quest, giving us an updated bank balance of 114 bonuses before we begin Turn 30.
Hopefully we'll get the final part of our base purchase/upgrade results soon, so we can start the next turn! (I'm looking forward to posting our end-of-turn map, which has been ready to go since @Dr. Snark rolled for CNS recruitment back in March).
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The feeling when you binge to catch up on a quest and realize the whole weekend's gone...
God damn fucking cryptic little gremlin!
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So it has been 5 months now since an update and a month since the update is coming "Real soon" post....
Almas Arrival (Currently Non-canon)
Barondoctor
The things I chase come to me.
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Almas Arrival
We arrived to present our findings to the Tython Council. I'd barely gotten a word out when Master Rogan waved a hand to stop me. "Thank you. You've got copies? We'll look into it. There's a matter far more urgent than temples which have sat fallow for thousands of years. They can sit another few months. If we wait another few months, there may no longer be a Jedi Academy on Almas."
I blinked. "Almas?"
Rogan telekinetically handed me a data chit. "Coordinates and all the information you need. We've loaded your ship with a few of the improved cybernetic limbs on the word that one of their combat masters has lost an arm. The request was for our best warrior. Now, you know as well as I do that Tython is a place for Jedi who are less interested in combat and more interested in the ways of the Force as they apply to solving a wide variety of problems. The best we've got that we can spare is Darra. Sending the two of you together gets far stronger results than what you could do apart, and better than two Jedi that have no connection. The sooner you're there the sooner you can help them. You mentioned before wanting to deal with problems quickly. This is a problem that they have and I would like for you to deal with it quickly."
Darra and I collected our things and headed to my ship.
I headed for the cockpit to start making preparations for takeoff and Darra caught my arm. "There was something they weren't telling us. Almas is...well, I heard of it as an experimental Jedi Academy that's been around for...about a hundred years now. The system it's in is along the Corellian Run, about where it crosses with the Harrin Trade Corridor."
I stared at her like I'd been betrayed. "I'd never heard of it before. There always gonna be Jedi stuff like this, that there's an entire culture I was never part of with secrets I don't know?"
"You don't have to know everything. Makes it harder to act like you do that way. Look, you bring a perspective to the whole Jedi thing I don't. Not a lot of Jedi grew up without the Force. Not a lot of Jedi have all the other skills you do. I'm a traditional Jedi. I know things traditional Jedi know. I'm pretty damn good at it. You're a nontraditional Jedi. You do weird stuff with blasters, proper medicine, that whole super-strong thing. You know different things. Do your job and let me do mine. Get over it."
Darra was right. I knew she was right. I didn't want to admit that, though, so I pulled my arm free and started making preparations for takeoff. "All right. Let's go then." We took off and set coordinates. I set my navicomputer course to head for Xorth once we reached Ruan, cutting out Coruscant entirely. With what I'd heard about the bad things going on with Coruscant, avoiding it seemed a better move.
I popped in the data chit and started studying. "Lanius Qel-Bertuk is the headmaster of the Almas Academy. He is a master of the Jedi ability known as Farseeing, which is part of why he was allowed and encouraged to lead the Academy there."
I blinked, glanced over at Darra. "He sent a call to the Tython Academy looking for help with a problem they sent us. From what I've read of how Farseeing works...he's seen something play out in a negative way and wants a skifter up his sleeve, or there's a big cloud of stuff he can't see and we're the biggest stick he can find to swing at the cloud."
Darra glanced back at me. "Well, that's nebulous, ambiguous, and either a handful of bad or a cargo hold full of bad."
I nodded back to her and then felt a cold shiver going down my spine. "Wait. I felt something. Like back when I had that patient that I knew wasn't going to see the next day. A brush in the dark with death."
"Right. We get there, we start digging into everything to see if we can find what's going on," Darra said.
I stared back at her. "Right. Because he didn't have literal Jedi Masters he could ask to do that sort of thing, probably better than both of us."
"Less read-in than both of us. They might not know about...what was it you were calling it? The Sid Vicious Conspiracy?" Darra scoffed. "Seriously, hiding in plain sight only works for Sith Lords if they can use other means of hiding in the Force."
I looked at her incredulously. "You think that they couldn't hide using a Dark Side Nexus like the Sith Fortress there? Just because people think it's been cleared out...well, look. There's ways of hiding one's presence in the Force and there's ways of hiding from sight in the Force too. One of my teachers said they suspected it was possible to be able to go anywhere without anyone knowing, no matter what obstacles were in the way...but nobody had been able to assemble all the knowledge in one person." I blew out a breath. "Come on. Why don't we just go down and meet them and hear what they want us for before we start digging around where we might not be welcome?"
Darra laughed. "When'd you become the conservative one?"
I shivered. "Since the last time I felt like this someone I was responsible for died, and if I'd looked for it I could have saved them."
A/N: I meant to go farther with this and actually get them planetside, but the characters got away from me.
Barondoctor
The things I chase come to me.
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In the time-honored tradition of sharing things that made a person consider their world and experiences in a new light, I discovered a (year and a half old) video I don't _think_ has been linked here before. It made me think, and it made me a little uncomfortable. Here's hoping if it needs to, it will do the same for you.
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This is another reason our Force Order is Superior to the Jedi; our induction and philosophy doesn't drive our aspirants/members into becoming monsters.
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I watched a few minutes and stopped after it talked about Jedi suppressing their emotions. They don't suppress them, they control them, which is very important when your order has super powers, you don't want your members flying off the handle when handling problems. You want them to carefully think through the situation and hopefully come to the best decision.
Do the Prequel Era Jedi have flaws? Yes. They're too closely tied to the Republic, and are paying more to attention to will of the Chancellor and Senate then the will of the Force. We also see them acting from a position of fear a number of times in the prequels. Firstly in accepting command positions in the GAR, and secondly in their handling of Ahsoka's Jedi Temple bombing.
If they'd just stuck to their code, they'd probably come out of this of this situation a whole lot better.
Do the Prequel Era Jedi have flaws? Yes. They're too closely tied to the Republic, and are paying more to attention to will of the Chancellor and Senate then the will of the Force. We also see them acting from a position of fear a number of times in the prequels. Firstly in accepting command positions in the GAR, and secondly in their handling of Ahsoka's Jedi Temple bombing.
If they'd just stuck to their code, they'd probably come out of this of this situation a whole lot better.
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I'll be honest:
Any time I see something like that, I'm automatically leery of it. I've seen so many people try to go 'look! This is why the Jedi are bad!' over the years. And, almost universally, they don't understand the Jedi.
Any time I see something like that, I'm automatically leery of it. I've seen so many people try to go 'look! This is why the Jedi are bad!' over the years. And, almost universally, they don't understand the Jedi.
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First, a confession: I didn't manage to go beyond 18 minutes of that garbage. The moment I heard "stoic masculinity" the alarm bells started ringing and haven't stopped. The "case" in itself isn't even anything new to the fandom, if anything he's over a decade late to the party and not only doesn't add anything, he doesn't even put forward the deeper, most interesting point of the argument. Outside of that, the misinterpretation of stoic principles is as blatant as usual: taking control of one's emotions to achieve inner peace is suppressing them, keeping calm in the face of adversity is "a mask of emotional invulnerability" used to "tough it out", etc.
I don't think I even have to go over the fact that using tropes like the wandering knight/lone ranger isn't related to sexism as much as history (both real and literary).
Make no mistake, there are many flaws in the Jedi in general and their management of Anakin in particular, but correlate them to an exaltation of "stoic masculinity", of all things, is a pretty stupid argument, if nothing else because how these very flaws caused their downfall is pretty much the whole point of the prequels. The author says Anakin's displays of emotions are demonised, while the very opposite is true and the cold Jedi dogma is shown as an heavy weight from which secret emotion (friends, love, etc.) is the only reprieve. So, as I said, at best the author only managed to repeat the point of the movies fourteen years after their end. Congratulations, dude, after years of effort you've made it: you're a hack.
The point about attachment to women being the most dangerous is particularly specious, as it turns the trope that a person's most important bond is with their parents and loved one (loving family, in other words) into men distrusting women, which is the exact opposite of what is shown in the movies with the pure holy mother and the true love (far from being "catalysts" for emotional instability that take away a man's power) which could both have led Anakin to salvation.
Actually, all the video seems based on reading the plot points backwards: according to the author, the movies portray following emotions as a dangerous loss of controll and cause of tragedy, when it's hiding them that causes both, and bonds are bad, when it's hiding them that brings evil to the world.
Another thing I noticed, connected to what I say below, is that the very fundamental fact the Jedi are a monastic, religious order is completely glossed over, to facilitate the case they're all unemotional repressed nutcases by wondering why they don't act like normal (not monk, laical) people. Because the obvious answer would be: they're monks, the strict rules are the very point of their existance and if one can't deal with them, they actually should leave.
I feel it's telling that the fact Anakin was encouraged to talk about his fears, yet doesn't out of the very same feeling, wasn't remembered earlier in the video, when the author making the assertion the opposite is true, only to be brought out again as a prelude to the "fear is good, suppressing it bad" part of the video, which is based on the basic sophistry of muddling the physiological response with the dangerous ruthlessness the terror even possible loss can engender, and from that trying to invalidate the whole logical sequence down.
The fact that a Jedi could and did have attachments, as long as he accepted their certain future loss (to time, if nothing else) completely escapes this misconstruction, of course, because the author has beaten his head on the wall enought that "feeling fear of loss" and "being guided by fear of loss" is the same thing.
Btw, another little piece of sophistry I noticed is the author calling the Jedi "warriors" instead of "monks" to shift the watcher perception of the order and, besides that, trying to get legitimacy by reciting out of context quotes of (debatable) scientific literature and using them as "lens" through which unveil (read: distort) the meaning of the movies is another classic sophistic technique.
Tl;dr: the video is a misleading, steaming pile of banta poodoo aping a decade old arguement without any real understanding of the material, fishing for views by clumsily tring to intercept the pseudofeminist media outrage.
I don't think I even have to go over the fact that using tropes like the wandering knight/lone ranger isn't related to sexism as much as history (both real and literary).
Make no mistake, there are many flaws in the Jedi in general and their management of Anakin in particular, but correlate them to an exaltation of "stoic masculinity", of all things, is a pretty stupid argument, if nothing else because how these very flaws caused their downfall is pretty much the whole point of the prequels. The author says Anakin's displays of emotions are demonised, while the very opposite is true and the cold Jedi dogma is shown as an heavy weight from which secret emotion (friends, love, etc.) is the only reprieve. So, as I said, at best the author only managed to repeat the point of the movies fourteen years after their end. Congratulations, dude, after years of effort you've made it: you're a hack.
The point about attachment to women being the most dangerous is particularly specious, as it turns the trope that a person's most important bond is with their parents and loved one (loving family, in other words) into men distrusting women, which is the exact opposite of what is shown in the movies with the pure holy mother and the true love (far from being "catalysts" for emotional instability that take away a man's power) which could both have led Anakin to salvation.
Actually, all the video seems based on reading the plot points backwards: according to the author, the movies portray following emotions as a dangerous loss of controll and cause of tragedy, when it's hiding them that causes both, and bonds are bad, when it's hiding them that brings evil to the world.
Another thing I noticed, connected to what I say below, is that the very fundamental fact the Jedi are a monastic, religious order is completely glossed over, to facilitate the case they're all unemotional repressed nutcases by wondering why they don't act like normal (not monk, laical) people. Because the obvious answer would be: they're monks, the strict rules are the very point of their existance and if one can't deal with them, they actually should leave.
I feel it's telling that the fact Anakin was encouraged to talk about his fears, yet doesn't out of the very same feeling, wasn't remembered earlier in the video, when the author making the assertion the opposite is true, only to be brought out again as a prelude to the "fear is good, suppressing it bad" part of the video, which is based on the basic sophistry of muddling the physiological response with the dangerous ruthlessness the terror even possible loss can engender, and from that trying to invalidate the whole logical sequence down.
The fact that a Jedi could and did have attachments, as long as he accepted their certain future loss (to time, if nothing else) completely escapes this misconstruction, of course, because the author has beaten his head on the wall enought that "feeling fear of loss" and "being guided by fear of loss" is the same thing.
Btw, another little piece of sophistry I noticed is the author calling the Jedi "warriors" instead of "monks" to shift the watcher perception of the order and, besides that, trying to get legitimacy by reciting out of context quotes of (debatable) scientific literature and using them as "lens" through which unveil (read: distort) the meaning of the movies is another classic sophistic technique.
Tl;dr: the video is a misleading, steaming pile of banta poodoo aping a decade old arguement without any real understanding of the material, fishing for views by clumsily tring to intercept the pseudofeminist media outrage.
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Our agents are nowhere close to any force order.
They simply force sensitives hired by Ciaran to do missions for her, in exchange they receive a HUGE payment, many work benefits, and formation regarding how to use the Force.
I have never seen the Jedi as Evil, they are well-meaning as an organization and at the individual level they are mostly virtuous people.
But they are basically space monks, and similarly to any monastic orders nowadays, despite being well-meaning, they waaay too disconnected from reality to be truly useful, and with a dogma that is waaay to archaic to be valid in most situations.
I fully agree with this, trying to go for the route of "Toxic Masculinity" makes the video basically devoid of any useful insight.
Actually the Abysswalkers do meet all the requirements for a Force Order. A small one, sure. But they still count.
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We don't talk about Kygeetu.
I found that very interesting. I thought it was a worthwhile piece of analysis.
It got me thinking of the visceral revulsion my child-self felt for the portrayal of Anakin I was seeing on the screen. I've always thought that my disgust came from finding the character developments of the prequels forced to fit the requirements of the plot. But thinking on it, there was also a degree of feeling let down. I wanted to see a story about a hero I could admire becoming evil due to some fatal character flaw and instead I was watching a story about a disgusting emotional weakling being manipulated.
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Well, I don´t consider the Abyss Walkers (understood as the upper Echelon of the Agents) as an order because there is not any dogma nor philosophy behind them.
As I said before the Abyss Watchers are basically a black ops team hired by Ciaran, they are extremely well paid and get formation in diverse force powers, but the main thing that joins them together is being Ciaran employees.
Well, she merely is our first (and probably not last) fangirl.We don't talk about Kygeetu.
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Don't sell her short:
If she was interested in Ciaran romantically we'd have the Yandere of the millenium. Fortunately for Ciaran, Kygeetu merely defines good and evil by her actions and desires. Totally unlike a religious devotion...
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I'd say we're actually closer to being a cult than many other force orders. Cults typically have a cult leader, who has absolute authority, and when they die, the cult usually dies or at least permanently dissolves with them. The closest figure to a cult-leader would be Lady Ciaran. Now granted, the Abysswalkers aren't a cult, because they're paid and trained, but...
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Also we have a clear successor in Thrawn as per your definition.
More importantly from is that we don't really ping any higher on the BITE model than any other company or gang and are probably lower than most, given how much free reign we give our operatives, especially at the higher levels. We might have one lunatic cultist in Kygeetu, however Ciaran doesn't go out of her way to nuture this obsession in any of her subordinates which is a better indication of a cult.
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It was supposed to be a joke, but you are understanding how close can go the obsession of some fangirl/fanboy IRL, it can be difficult to distinguish it from religious devotion.
Man, following that logic any personal contract with individual contractors, like the legal team, bodyguards, or valets can
also be considered cults, because the death of the employer usually means the dissolution of a service contract.
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My point was not that we were a cult. I even mentioned that.
My point was that most Force Orders are not cults, and we would be "closer" to being one than many Force Orders.
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You can come to the right conclusion for the wrong reasons. Observe:
Because Giraffes are green, racism must be bad.
Disagreeing with that statement is not a statement that racism is good, it is pointing out that there are no green giraffes so your logic is wrong.
If you had said we're less cult like than the Jedi because we don't use emotional control techniques and we don't control clothing by using a uniform so we're probably lower on the BITE model. That statement would be correct.