Dr. Snark
Exactly As Planned...Probably
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- Right where I want to be
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- He/His/Him
There is absolutely no way either of them would bring up their significant others during such tense negotiations. Again, stuff to be covered later.
May The Invisible Hand Be With You - (Star Wars CK2-Style Quest)
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There is absolutely no way either of them would bring up their significant others during such tense negotiations. Again, stuff to be covered later.
- Location
- Spain
Probably right, but if they are planning to bring their significant with them (and maybe Aayla for being Quinlan´s old padawan) they could have briefly mentioned the possibility to extend their asylum petition to some of their associates...
Nothing explicit, but something ambiguous that would leave the gate open to their loved ones in the deal.
Varder
Tired Cultist
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- Hell
Do we have any emergency plans and protocols implemented for sudden order 66? Like, evacuate that second Jedi order where the peacfull guys are, or provide Coruscant order with transport and safe place in case they manage to fight their way out? I'm pretty sure that jedi who'll be playing generals can't be saved, but everyone else can.
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- In a tower. In the plane of Chaos.
well shit, the temple is f*cked, Obi-Wan and Anakin (if the latter would PLEASE SHOW UP AGAIN) should really show up and knock some sense into them/ borrow a Venator or something to put all the Jedi on and do jedi things out of above Corasaunt so that they aren't just running away from the politics while getting away from the wound or something.
Also we now have Tholme and Voss on our side, at least tentatively, so that at least was well worth the reroll. Anyone else wondering by the way where Yoda is going off to? cause i am
Also we now have Tholme and Voss on our side, at least tentatively, so that at least was well worth the reroll. Anyone else wondering by the way where Yoda is going off to? cause i am
Pretty sure he's going through his Season 6 plotline, and while I'm not sure where exactly that'll take him, I do know it ends at Korriban.
We have a second reroll thanks to some of the fan art.
Great idea! One problem; we'd need an army of Sith, and there's only two or three left in the Galaxy depending on how you count.
There's been sites of mass force-user death before though, larger ones even. Is this Wound just supposed to be particularly potent/lasting because of poking from Palpatine then? Or maybe the Dark Side Nexus under the Temple? Because honestly only a couple hundred force users killing each other doesn't seem like enough to have that big of an impact on friggin Master Jedi who aren't even exposed all that long, nor had the Wound even exist all that long. It exasperating existing problems with the Nexus, Veil of Sidious, recent trauma from the attack, and the ongoing splintering from fighting a bloody war after being peacekeepers for a thousand years...that's a little more reasonable. Actually, that's what I'll currently go with, and assume these two only got prompted to take a good look at things by the attack and are thus blaming all the problems on the most obvious source (especially since the most damaging and long-lasting psychological problems the Jedi are apparently completely oblivious to, hence the new laws requiring mental evaluations and psychiatrists.)
Unless I'm mistaken, most of those don't involve being betrayed and killed by people you considered friends and probably family, or having to kill them in turn in self-defense. The emotions involved probably exacerbated things and made the Wound much, much worse than it otherwise would have been.
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HymnOfRagnarok
Let's Rock
So what I'm hearing is, we need a plausible and acceptable excuse to get the Jedi out of the temple for a while.
Oh look. We just picked up the Ninja side of the Force, and multiple Jedi still present, technically present, or with contacts in the temple.
Time to to fumigate the place. Or turn it structurally unsound so people must evacuate. Or the various other kinds of underhanded shit that Ciaran presumably uses.
Oh look. We just picked up the Ninja side of the Force, and multiple Jedi still present, technically present, or with contacts in the temple.
Time to to fumigate the place. Or turn it structurally unsound so people must evacuate. Or the various other kinds of underhanded shit that Ciaran presumably uses.
DocMatoi
Theoretical Lover of Girls
- Location
- within 2 hours of the White House
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- They/Them
Mace "Jules" Winnfield
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Khepri14
Thus kindly I scatter...
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- Following the wind
...So basically, you want this crazy motherfucker...
...But with a lightsaber.
What is wrong with you.
...Korriban...Geonosis (technically no betrayal, but the single biggest blow taken in 1000 years and opening of galactic war)...all the other Sith planets with academies having bloody betrayals and battles for centuries...strong emotions and betrayal doesn't cut it, especially not for the Jedi that, by and large, are highly detached and/or too caught up in the moment for it to hit them, and the betrayers who were resolved well ahead of time.
The last big 'wound'? Darth Nihilus? Was a product of a realty-warping super-weapon (and it has been noted that certain unique constructs or reactions can effect the force irregardless of force sensitives) that also happened to wipe out two armies (and big fleets), hundreds of Jedi, and a garden planets worth of living things.
Nihilus himself was a lot more...potent...of course, but Master Jedi are nothing to scoff at. Anything that can affect them that quickly is nothing small, but the Massacre itself is positively piddly compared to other examples of Wounds causes, certainly not in proportion with its supposed effects.
And of course, as a Wound in the Force, it should be blaring to just about any Miraluka, much less Ciaren herself, unless its absolute weak-sauce and getting covered up by things like the Veil, or the Nexus a couple kilometers down. Which then means the 'influence' of the hypothetical wound likely isn't anywhere near a driving factor of the Coruscanti Order's collapse, just one more stacked onto a pile of others.
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- At the Edge of Insanity
What? Are you accusing Lady Ciaran, honest businesswoman and the galaxys GREATEST Philantrophist, of engaging in underhanded tactics in any way anywhere in the galaxy?
Also, a few comments for the whole matter of trying to prove or disprove the logic behind the Force Wound.
1. Its happening, because shit happened, because other stuff happened that piled on a huge cascade failure of events. There. More important is now to deal with it.
2. There is in all honesty weirder stuff in the Galaxy than the Force breaking down (or being broken over someones knee). Again.
3. Even non fanfic Star Wars doesn't hold up when you start poking it with the logic stick. Don't poke. That ends up way too often in explosions and flames. Instead... TRUST IN DR. SNARK!
4. I have no fourth comment.
5. And neither do I have a fifth one.
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- At your local SPCA
You best believe I'm gonna be working on this.
...I like this idea. @Dr. Snark, would Raith Sienar be willing to design and build a 'Council Ship' (a la the Chu'unthor, but new, and designed specifically as a mobile center of power for the Jedi Council). There should be room for younglings and padawans, but it's up to Sienar if there's sufficient capacity for all of them; otherwise, the primary purpose would be Council Chambers + Jedi Archive, etc. Given the size of some of the mega-ships in canon, I dare say it'd be possible to design a super-dreadnaught of the same size (or bigger) than the Jedi Temple on Coruscant.
Of course, we'd be building it as a gift for the Jedi Order. Out of the goodness of our heart, see. The hardwired surveillance suite is just in case it falls into the wrong hands.
And then we push the crit-button on the action to make the Senate pass a decree that that is the Jedi's new HQ.
Jack_Trade
Chasing the Green Fairy
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- Scotland
Honestly considering how many times the Coruscant Temple has been attacked/sacked/destroyed/whatever, I'm honestly surprised it took this long for a wound in the force to form. Plus the Sith Shrine under it, is most likely not doing them any favours.
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- Location
- somewhere over there.
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- They/It
And beyond that, this was something the entire galaxy was watching. They saw the figures that are generally portrayed as paragons of all that is good and right attacked from within, and brought low. And the focal point of all of the coverage of that? Well, if 24-hour news in the future is at all like the present, they'd have been showing re-runs of footage of the temple and evacuation efforts for days or weeks. It would be *the* image associated with all of this. I don't have the best understanding of how Force Wounds work, but I have to think that would exacerbate the issue.
As far as I'm aware, that's not how Force Wounds work, although it is an interesting idea.
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- Spain
Yes, the actual attack was not so destructive, it the number of death was only a few dozens between the bombing and the fight against the Dark Side Adepts, but given the bloody history of the Temple as a fortress, the Force nexus and the Dark Side shrine the bombing was the proverbial straw that broke the camel´s back.
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- somewhere over there.
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- They/It
Huh. I'd thought that distance wasn't really that meaningful to the force, so targeted emotion like that from so many would have a similar if perhaps lessened effect as it would locally.
Varder
Tired Cultist
- Location
- Hell
Hmm... If Jedi are part of the military, they follow orders, right? Can Ciaran push through some decree about forsing the Order to move out of the temple?
It can be justified with:
1) Jedi are a valuable military resource and it's been proven that the Temple isn't safe. So in the name of their own safety (Jedi's) Republic grants them [insert Star Wars Castle equivalent] to stay in while the war's going on.
2) Jedi Order is corrupt. They should be put under constant surveillance.
The second way may even get Palpatin's support (heh) - it's another blow to their reputation, it's a boost to Councellor's reputation (as the protector of the Republic) and it makes it easier to spy on them.
I think it works because funnily enough, our main concern related to Coruscant order is not Sheev and his manipulations, but potential total insanity of the Order. So he can spy on them all he wants, they can be angry at the Republic for public humiliation but they will be forsed out of their Temple and their argument "we uphold ancient traditions" will stop being relevant in their arguments with their sub-orders.
An all-around win situation, I think.
It can be justified with:
1) Jedi are a valuable military resource and it's been proven that the Temple isn't safe. So in the name of their own safety (Jedi's) Republic grants them [insert Star Wars Castle equivalent] to stay in while the war's going on.
2) Jedi Order is corrupt. They should be put under constant surveillance.
The second way may even get Palpatin's support (heh) - it's another blow to their reputation, it's a boost to Councellor's reputation (as the protector of the Republic) and it makes it easier to spy on them.
I think it works because funnily enough, our main concern related to Coruscant order is not Sheev and his manipulations, but potential total insanity of the Order. So he can spy on them all he wants, they can be angry at the Republic for public humiliation but they will be forsed out of their Temple and their argument "we uphold ancient traditions" will stop being relevant in their arguments with their sub-orders.
An all-around win situation, I think.
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- Tulsa Oklahoma
That's the thing though, Force Wounds =/= Dark Side Force Nexus. The latter is merely a wellspring of dark side energies, while the former is a vacuum sucking all force energies away. Needless to say that the former is much more dangerous considering the fact that The Home is built upon a Dark Side Force Nexus. If a Force Nexus pumps force energy out, than Force Wounds suck force energy in.
