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May The Invisible Hand Be With You - (Star Wars CK2-Style Quest)

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Floom said:
So the Force works the way it works because you choose which interpretation is true?
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Yes. :V

Floom said:
And considering the events of the Last Jedi, as well as the Clone Wars animation and the Rebels animation, Disney does have a different interpretation of the Force.
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Couple things before I jump off this discussion (but feel free to get the last word in if you want):
1. Last Jedi has that declaration that I mentioned. It very much seemed like it was going off of original for what the Force was.
2. Clone Wars was Cartoon Network, not Disney.
 
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Andres110 said:
Yes. :V


Couple things before I jump off from this discussion (but feel free to get the last word in if you want):
1. Last Jedi has that declaration that I mentioned. It very much seemed like it was going off of original for what the Force was.
2. Clone Wars was Cartoon Network, not Disney.
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Well, if that's how you choose to view things, then there's no point in continuing the discussion.

If that's how you think the Force works, then that's that. But don't be surprised when people disagree, and don't go claiming that your definition of the Force is the only truth.

Only a Sith deals in absolutes.
 
Barondoctor said:
"When you search through the galaxy, learning other traditions of the Force, you stop thinking about the light side or the dark side. They aren't out there. They're in here,"
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In a way, the Blackguards are correct. Not to say there's no Light and Dark, but rather, that what matters to you is what's inside of you. You can't get turned to the Dark Side without deciding to embrace it yourself, even if you walk right through a nexus of the Dark, so really it doesn't matter if you are trained on the Jedi Temple or on Korriban itself, you decide what you are.

Of course, if there's a Sith trying to turn you, they'll try to force you into making the choice, but it's still yours and they can't really make you do it.

This idea, of the moment where someone decides whether to embrace the Dark or reject it, usually through choosing to lash out in anger, is rather prominent in Star Wars.

EDIT: Of course The Son, being what he is, cheated outrageously on Mortis. But it's telling he grabbed Ahsoka, who's no fountain of peace and tranquility. If he'd had to contend with Obi-Wan's self discipline, he'd have struggled to produce the same result I imagine.
 
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Floom said:
Only a Sith deals in absolutes.
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Which, entertainingly, is also an absolute statement.

065tdsa said:
In a way, the Blackguards are correct. Not to say there's no Light and Dark, but rather, that what matters to you is what's inside of you. You can't get turned to the Dark without deciding to embrace it yourself, even if you walk right through a nexus of the Dark.
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This is probably what Riphath's going to end up taking out of his meditation. Thanks for the insight!
 
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What the Dark does, I think, is to be as convincing/seductive as possible, such that one would then choose to go to it.

Temptation, not brute force.
 
Barondoctor said:
Which, entertainingly, is also an absolute statement.



This is probably what Riphath's going to end up taking out of his meditation. Thanks for the insight!
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It's an interesting bit of verbal contrast, though I'm not sure as to how intentional the contradiction is. But it is helpful when pointing out that those with the worst intentions tend to speak in a fashion that brooks no argument.
 
Andres110 said:
That's not how the Force works.
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Andres110 said:
I don't see any difference between Disney and original. Hell, the way it was talked about seemed like a declaration that Disney would go with how the originals handled the Force and not the EU.
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Yeah!!! Lets return to the glorious midichlorians, those beautiful microorganisms that Lucas loved so much.

But seriously, the Force according to Lucas is an energy field generated by the fucking midichlorians (they tried to patch that up on the Clone Wars, but the damage was already done)... and that "balance" is the light, whereas the darkness is a corruption that needs to be removed.



And the new film the Force is established as a energy that binds everything in the universe, both good and bad and that the balance exists between darkness and light.

Luke Skywalker (to Rey): The Force is not a power you have. It's not about lifting rocks. It's the energy between all things, a tension, a balance, that binds the universe together.
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Luke Skywalker: What do you see?
Rey: The island. Life. Death and decay, that feeds new life. Warmth. Cold. Peace. Violence.
Luke Skywalker: And between it all?
Rey: Balance and energy. A force.
Luke Skywalker: And inside you?
Rey: Inside me, that same force.
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Luke: The force does not belong to the Jedi. To say the Jedi dies, the light dies is vanity.

I think that the way in which the Force is portrayed is vastly different...
Andres110 said:
Ignore the EU.
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Andres110 said:
Yes but the EU's interpretation of the Force sucks. It tries to be edgy and cool by making things more morally grey than they should be. How the EU handles the Force regarding Light and Dark should thus be ignored.
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That is your opinion, and it is very respectable, but seeing how this quest has been from the beginning a Legends quest, including the interpretation of the Force opposed to Lightside: Always Good and Darkside: Always Evil, but as something that can have shades of gray... very much in the lines of KOTOR 2...

Why do you keep insisting on changing that? The vast majority of the thread prefers a universe in which the Gray is possible... Do you really expect to change that at this point?

Plus: Screw Lucas vision, a man that wrote the "are you an Angel" and "I don´t like the sand" scenes, is a very good example of why he should have never had full control of the Saga...
 
Fanhunter696 said:
Spoiler: This is a very important dialogue, you shouldn´t open it withous seeing the movie Spoiler: Last Warning Luke Skywalker (to Rey): The Force is not a power you have. It's not about lifting rocks. It's the energy between all things, a tension, a balance, that binds the universe together.
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Luke Skywalker: What do you see?
Rey: The island. Life. Death and decay, that feeds new life. Warmth. Cold. Peace. Violence.
Luke Skywalker: And between it all?
Rey: Balance and energy. A force.
Luke Skywalker: And inside you?
Rey: Inside me, that same force.
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Luke: The force does not belong to the Jedi. To say the Jedi dies, the light dies is vanity.
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Life, death, warmth, cold, violence, peace...all that stuff Rey listed of, that's all the the Light Side, not the Dark Side. The Dark Side is the sinkhole: imbalance, unnatural, aberrant, evil. Get rid of the Dark Side and nothing of value would be lost.
 
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Andres110 said:
Life, death, warmth, cold, violence, peace...all that stuff Rey listed of, that's all the the Light Side, not the Dark Side. The Dark Side is the sinkhole: imbalance, unnatural, aberrant, evil. Get rid of the Dark Side and nothing of value would be lost.
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Do you remember the lines that come afterwards?

I didn´t put them there because I couldn´t find the exact quote, but the as Luke says something in the lines of: "balance, powerful light powerful darkness..." meaning you can't have light without darkness and that the balance in the force is both dark and light sides.

Making your interpretation of that scene a little too biased...
 
Gentlemen, I'm logging in from the Autobahn via handy (I'm not driving), on my way to the mosque (no, I'm not a Muslim) to say the following... Nobody has a monopoly on the truth, not even in Star Wars. Besides, I personally am one of those people that thinks 'many things are a matter of interpretation and personal truth'. Also... we are EU and every single discussion we had on the topic so far has gone absolutely NOWHERE.
 
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Teron said:
Gentlemen, I'm logging in from the Autobahn via handy (I'm not driving), on my way to the mosque (no, I'm not a Muslim) to say the following... Nobody has a monopoly on the truth, not even in Star Wars. Besides, I personally am one of those people that thinks 'many things are a matter of interpretation and personal truth'. Also... we are EU.
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If you don't mind me asking why are you going to a mosque? I'm just curious.
 
It's interesting, the people are surprisingly nice, my mom and stepdad are Muslims (my mom converted long before she met my stepdad in case you assume the wrong thing... I meanwhile am catholic), we have been invited... and they make VERY good TEA.
 
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Teron said:
It's interesting, the people are surprisingly nice, my mom and stepdad are Muslims (my mom converted long before she met my stepdad in case you assume the wrong thing... I meanwhile am catholic), we have been invited... and they make VERY good tea.
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The last one sounds like the main reason however it was my understanding that non muslims were not allowed to enter mosques? Am I wrong or is my understanding just incomplete and its fine if you're invited?
 
fasquardon said:
The mosques where I am are very welcoming of visitors. You just need to take your shoes off if you do go in.

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It's the same with the ones around me. I actually went to a "Connection Day" between some churches and a mosque to talk about the differences and similarities between faiths in a civil and nice manner. And I live near one of the biggest Western concentrations of Islamic people in the world.
 
dredloki said:
its probly a rule some were somehow, a rule that that mosque does not follow.
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Based on what I'm seeing elsewhere its more like a rule that some mosques created
fasquardon said:
The mosques where I am are very welcoming of visitors. You just need to take your shoes off if you do go in.

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Barondoctor said:
It's the same with the ones around me. I actually went to a "Connection Day" between some churches and a mosque to talk about the differences and similarities between faiths in a civil and nice manner. And I live near one of the biggest Western concentrations of Islamic people in the world.
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Thanks all, turns out I'm a close minded individual who thanks to the internet doesn't need to spend time with people different to me. Who knew?
 
Eh, like I wrote about, unknown unknowns spring up when least expected because by definition they cannot be expected.

It's not something I'd say 'everybody knows' so I can't even say you're one of today's lucky 10,000. That one falls under "learn something new every day".
 
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Droids in the Abyss Watchers (Canon Info)
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    • Droids in the Abyss Watchers​

    The Abyss Watchers like the CIS (despite not being cripplingly reliant on them unlike the CIS) purchases, constructs or steals a huge ammount of droids to supliment the organisations manpower. Due to the varied activities of the various branches of the Abyss Watchers all kinds of droids are being used. Labor droids for the warehouses and factories, astromech droids for the ships, maintenance droids for virtualy everything, data analysis droids both for business, espionage and research, secretary droids for business (with the BD-3000 regularly being handed out to the men in charge of playing Business proxy for Ciaran to add to the 'rich industrialist and/or businessman' theme for them), scout droids for Unknown Region exploration and Archeology, Medical droids, research droids, etc. etc. etc.

    Of course, with droids being what they are every purchased one is first analysed for sabotage equipment, bombs, harmful/hostile programing and various quirks before being sent off to get various upgrades ranging from increased battery lifetime, Hidden Cores to nullify hostile reprogramming to such things as improved processors. Even the most simple labor droids get improved processor to render them slightly less simple minded and decrease the chance they cause an accident through some blunder. Besides, getting coherent statements out of Labor droids can be quite usefull.

    One additional peculiarity aside from the great care and expenses invested into the droids is the fact that they do not get memory-wiped, due to such droids like PR-1, ZK-711, HK-47 and some others proving quite well that droids developing personality quirks is a very minor price to pay for them having practical experience, instead of just the pre-programmed theoretical one. After all, experience is one of the few things that can't be bought.

    Any droids with severe superiority complexes are being banned from being purchased, stolen or otherwise though. The last one offended Lady Ciaran and PR-1 so much through his arrogance that PR-1 sacrificed a good ammount of perfectly fine tea and the tea can holding it to beat the droid to utter destruction.
     
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    • UbeOne said:
    Droids are characters too. Memory-wiping them makes them props. :V
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    Droids are also usually the most entertaining bunch in Star Wars.

    MonkeyTypewriter said:
    ncidentally, I think you mean BD-3000 luxury driods.
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    Of course that just HAD to happen. This is version 3 of the Omake and I had from the last two attempts still DOZENS of tabs about droids open before giving up. Darn serial numbers, darn droid names, darn.. *GRUMBLE, GRUMBLE, GRUMBLE*
     
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