They do? News to me.
How were they fucking her over exactly?
fasquardon
May The Invisible Hand Be With You - (Star Wars CK2-Style Quest)
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They do? News to me.
How were they fucking her over exactly?
fasquardon
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- america
they do yes, also, because of their greed, we are about to take part in this war unless we fix it on the down low.
(also i dont think we realy hang out with the hutt's? just borvo and he mostly does our tax's and shit. )
Borvo is a pretty major crime lord in Hutt circles now (with all the dirty criminal things that entails) and Ciaran has been shown comfortably shmoozing with the Hutts. If she can hold her nose in dealing with the Hutts, why can't she hold her nose in dealing with the Thyferra corporations?
fasquardon
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- Rockford, USA
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As was previously covered, the CIS is not stupid enough to just let the galaxy's bacta supplier go without a fight. Not wanting to take them aboard is not a matter of ethics; it's a matter of, "This will put us at war with the CIS, and there's a significant chance that Sidious will use it as an excuse to have the Republic declare war as well."
We do not want those wars. It's kind of our thing.
Because she has to.
It's not about morals (hypocritical or not), it's about real politik. Once you reach a certain level in the underworld, you have to deal with the Hutts, you may not like it, but they basically control a significant chunk of the galaxy and have enough money/influence/mercenaries/assassins that the cost of not doing business with them would just be prohibitive.
So Ciaran can't afford to go with what she would prefer in this case.
The Thyferra corps aren't the Hutts, Ciara can do what she wants here, and as a pragmatic and greedy but generally benevolent woman, she can afford the luxury of telling them to fuck off.
Maybe because unlike the Hutts they didn't think beyond their profit margins and thus nearly dragged the CNS into a war with the CIS because they wanted to sell to the rest of the galaxy.
Ciaran might work with the Hutts and the Trade Federation, but they at least know to be covert for something like this. If there is two thing Ciaran can't stand it's bad, incompetent and downright reckless management.
For one the Huts are not trying to join the CNS. They are an important power in their own right that she can work with and get things done quietly. Thyferra is a single planet that everyone will be focused on that doesn't match the ideals of the CNS that wants to link themselves to her officially so that they can use her as a living shield against the CIS and not have to even pay for the privilege. More then that the planet fits the image of greedy war profiteering CNS that Palpatine just hit us with last turn on the tax raise action.
Killerflood
Corporal Cannonfodder
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- Saṃsāra
She can work with slavers, see the hutts.
Is she herself a slaver? No. There's less profit there, it would ruin her reputation, and why bother with the risks involved?
Ciaran is self-aware enough to know that what the Thyferran's are doing is based on a motivation she understands: greed. (Hence the hypocritical comment) It's very likely she wouldn't have actually cared about them at all either for good or ill. The "morality" of their actions past, present, or future was/is/never will be the problem as Ciaran is at worst amoral and at best highly pragmatic.
It doesn't matter who it is. If you are likely to threaten Ciaran's (our) goals or assets, you are considered a threat. Read Wesker. Read the Black Sun. The only reason the people we have attacked consistently tend to be "the bad guys" is that we've already co-opted the "good guys" and their goals currently align with ours. Read Palpatine. The thing with the Hutts is that they aren't inadvertently screwing over our current plans. If we had interacted with the Thyferran corporations in any other way we might do business, but their greed is threatening our delicate position. This means they have become a threat. This means they have to be dealt with.
Through violence or subversion? Whatever will work with the least blowback to us.
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also this, if we could i would enjoy to get rid of the hutt's
I don't see how messing over the corporations while accepting the planet into the CNS avoids a war. It's the planet that produces the bacta, even if the corporations own the slaves on the planet producing the bacta.
fasquardon
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We're not specifically looking to mess with the corps. We're irritated at them for precipitating this situation, but we're not invested in the idea of killing them. Ideally, we try to find a way to reject this application without compromising the openness that the CNS prizes:
The goal is to either:
- Find a way to allow this without dragging us into a war
- Find an excuse to tell them to go to hell without looking unwilling to protect those who want to join
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And the corporations (there are only two that are allowed to produce Bacta) practically own the planet. Not in the way that we own Taris, they literally bought out the government and treat the place as their own personal fiefdom.
Stealthy
Reverently Irreverent
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We let Thyferra into the CNS. We have 2 Options, let them sell Bacta to the Clone Army, or don't.
1. We let them sell Bacta to the Clones. CIS is not about to let that happen, as it would be a major coup for the Republic. CIS already has a fleet at Thyferra. They will keep that fleet there and there will be a fight over it. Either we fight them for it, and we're part of the war, or we show we're not willing to defend our own and the CNS basically collapses. This is bad.
2. We don't let them sell Bacta to the Clones. CIS still doesn't want to give up Thyferra, but let's pretend we crit our negotiation roll and (especially given that the CNS has a significant portion of Confederate systems), the Separatist Senate agrees to let Thyferra join if we only let them sell bacta to the Silver Cross or directly to CNS hospitals, with no middlemen to let some slip to the Republic. Palpatine raises hell against the CNS for throttling the bacta supply and hurting the brave clone soldiers. If he plays his cards right (and he usually does), he could use it as a pretext for further sanctions or even make a play for Thyferra himself. Also a problem here where Thyferra may, once the CIS fleet is gone and realize we're not going to let them reach their maximum profit potential, they decide to leave the CIS and rejoin the Republic. Separatists are pissed. CNS is taken advantage of. Bad things happen.
This is why it cannot happen. It's kinda unfortunate that our action really didn't dig up anything new on the situation (it being over bacta sales is nothing new), though the fact that this is just corporate greed and we haven't found this to be traces of Palpatine at play is a nice relief.
(Also, to whatever that discussion was about Force Voids and becoming blanks... that's basically what the ysalamiri are)
1. We let them sell Bacta to the Clones. CIS is not about to let that happen, as it would be a major coup for the Republic. CIS already has a fleet at Thyferra. They will keep that fleet there and there will be a fight over it. Either we fight them for it, and we're part of the war, or we show we're not willing to defend our own and the CNS basically collapses. This is bad.
2. We don't let them sell Bacta to the Clones. CIS still doesn't want to give up Thyferra, but let's pretend we crit our negotiation roll and (especially given that the CNS has a significant portion of Confederate systems), the Separatist Senate agrees to let Thyferra join if we only let them sell bacta to the Silver Cross or directly to CNS hospitals, with no middlemen to let some slip to the Republic. Palpatine raises hell against the CNS for throttling the bacta supply and hurting the brave clone soldiers. If he plays his cards right (and he usually does), he could use it as a pretext for further sanctions or even make a play for Thyferra himself. Also a problem here where Thyferra may, once the CIS fleet is gone and realize we're not going to let them reach their maximum profit potential, they decide to leave the CIS and rejoin the Republic. Separatists are pissed. CNS is taken advantage of. Bad things happen.
This is why it cannot happen. It's kinda unfortunate that our action really didn't dig up anything new on the situation (it being over bacta sales is nothing new), though the fact that this is just corporate greed and we haven't found this to be traces of Palpatine at play is a nice relief.
(Also, to whatever that discussion was about Force Voids and becoming blanks... that's basically what the ysalamiri are)
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- Tulsa Oklahoma
You know, I think there is an easy solution for the issue; make Thyferra's joining be dependent upon them removing their planetary monopoly on Bacta. They certainly wouldn't do that, and would likely withdraw their application as a result. If we veil said action as providing samples of native forms of life for cataloging and study, and they would be the ones appearing unreasonable.
Are they in violation of Republic law?
They may well have bought prior investigations but they may be in violation of the Republic law against slavery.
Especially whilst part of the CIS, we may be able to deflect this by finding evidence of said crimes and informing them that we would be happy to accept their application however we must warn them in good faith that we received significant evidence and reports of large scale criminal violations.
We would obviously be compelled to carry out an investigation, just like we did with the Huk.
Ciaran has a sterling reputation when it comes to the exploitation of native species.
We can get them to withdraw their application for fear of a campaign of justice.
They may well have bought prior investigations but they may be in violation of the Republic law against slavery.
Especially whilst part of the CIS, we may be able to deflect this by finding evidence of said crimes and informing them that we would be happy to accept their application however we must warn them in good faith that we received significant evidence and reports of large scale criminal violations.
We would obviously be compelled to carry out an investigation, just like we did with the Huk.
Ciaran has a sterling reputation when it comes to the exploitation of native species.
We can get them to withdraw their application for fear of a campaign of justice.
Yeah, kinda a disappointing crit that didn't give us much on top of a crit that actually hurt us (the roll that led to the application to join the CNS).
I'm guessing the Thyferra situation is something that needs multiple actions and is basically building towards a really significant payoff if we make the right choices.
Hmmmm. Maybe we can link their joining to reforms on Thyferra that bring them in accordance with the law? I'm also wondering if there is some way to bring Anakin into this. The slavery hating hero-with-no-fear could really help us contain both Republic AND CIS negative reactions. Or maybe be the step that finally lets us nab Anakin as a hero for the Abyss.
fasquardon
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- Latvia, Riga
Unlike the Republic CNS's corruption (covertly) goes through AW and Ciara, in other words, their methods won't work, so that leaves the "legal" part and thus we need to present this possibility to both Prime Minister Suberoa Zinnerman and Duchess Satine Kryze so that our actions and acts are on the same page (maybe not every detail, but enough so we deal with this crisis).
Huh still remember that time, and we learned it accidentally yet still won!
On other stuff: how much hyperspace and micro-jumps have changed SW space combat? I mean in resent months one of the best (but not the most "numerically superior") was this:
Sinsystems
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I think the best way to deal with the Thyferra situation is to steal the secret to making Bacta and then flood the market thereby making who they sell to pointless to begin with.
I really hope Ciaran's lightsaber does not look like a Moonlight Greatsword. That is quite silly and impractical for a lightsaber.
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yeah. well.......shut up it's cool
It is foolish and wasteful, no other fighter in Star Wars has felt the need to create a Greatsword lightsaber. It seems wholly out of character for Ciaran to create especially with her main style being Makashi: the graceful dueling style.
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But why does Ciaran blade need to be a lightsaber instead of being a true blade? Honestly, an actual sword might actually be more useful to us than a lightsaber due to the fact that lightsabers cauterize any wound that is inflicted while a blade would allow for minor cuts to bleed thereby slowing the opponents reaction time and opening them to the possibility of death via Exsanguination.
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no one would know how to fight against something like that though