yes, wait what? threatening rich people for there super secret recipe has been there since the begging?
Just squint your eyes and tilt your head a bit.

@Dr. Snark is there going to be any reaction from Asoka about the whole suddenly unconscious for three hours bit? I feel like Thrawn will have taught her to be slightly suspicious about that.

I also love the idea that Asoka discovers that Cirian is a Sith all by herself, but tells nobody because she knows the Council will prevent her from learning anything else from Thrawn.
 
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Mmkay. Got an almost complete list of planets/sectors that joined up. Here you go:
All right, I've added all of the planets you listed to a draft of the new map. Lots of work in my future. @Dr. Snark: Let us know once you finish with the second list so I can add those results before I start drawing.

There are two parts to Bacta. Both are produced by the native Thyferrans. One can be produced via other means, but is currently only capable of being made on a planet called Verkuyl.
Hate to spoil your bad news with good, but... it turns out that Verkuyl also joined the CNS this turn. So we have access to at least half the ingredients needed...
 
All right, I've added all of the planets you listed to a draft of the new map. Lots of work in my future. @Dr. Snark: Let us know once you finish with the second list so I can add those results before I start drawing.


Hate to spoil your bad news with good, but... it turns out that Verkuyl also joined the CNS this turn. So we have access to at least half the ingredients needed...
yeaaaaaaaaaa
 
All right, I've added all of the planets you listed to a draft of the new map. Lots of work in my future. @Dr. Snark: Let us know once you finish with the second list so I can add those results before I start drawing.


Hate to spoil your bad news with good, but... it turns out that Verkuyl also joined the CNS this turn. So we have access to at least half the ingredients needed...

Doesn't exactly change the fact that to get the other half we need a significant Vratix population or to have no morals as well as being willing to basically farm them.

Vratix being native Thyferran.

Although having the hardest part of something from the start is an odd feeling.
 
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Just squint your eyes and tilt your head a bit.

@Dr. Snark is there going to be any reaction from Asoka about the whole suddenly unconscious for three hours bit? I feel like Thrawn will have taught her to be slightly suspicious about that.

I also love the idea that Asoka discovers that Cirian is a Sith all by herself, but tells nobody because she knows the Council will prevent her from learning anything else from Thrawn.

She is suspicious, but I suspect Anakin would at least tell her that she honestly doesn't want to know what exactly happened.

As for whether she could put the pieces together on her own, to be fair she's currently running with "Dooku's apprentice gone rogue." Which...honestly isn't that inaccurate if you think about it...
 
But why would the Republic be a threat? From what I'm seeing the world is already under CIS control so wouldn't Thyferran going neutral be good for them?
 
She is suspicious, but I suspect Anakin would at least tell her that she honestly doesn't want to know what exactly happened.

As for whether she could put the pieces together on her own, to be fair she's currently running with "Dooku's apprentice gone rogue." Which...honestly isn't that inaccurate if you think about it...
well asajj is one of though's
i want a omake where asajj and the jedi three meet up and they cant tell it's her. it would be great, especially if asajj trolled them.
 
We have some Pirate Fleets, yes? Distraction create they can: Get some CIS forces to leave for "more important" parts and hash out some deals: CNS and Ciaran does provide neutral war-relef and healing for both sides and those caught in the crossfire. Becta could enhance our position, but.....

not to mention the planet's important because the INGREDIENTS can only be successfully cultivated on their planet, the formula and recipes? Someone somewhere already has it. We could create some story about underground faction trying to produce it, is it viable? Pros/Cons? hmmmmo_O:eyebrow:

We could claim we broke into his house and kept annoying him until he taught us a bit to get us to go away.

They'd believe it.
... I can see that
 
I mean, we can just steal the data then crit the action to start manufacturing the shit. That's hardly out of the question. Something something Arkanians.
 
Ciaran: "Kenobi. This. Means. War."

True fact: She secretly does approve of his trolling...but she has standards to uphold. There can be only one Master Troll.

Lol. I guess she's Baneite where it counts.



Ciaran: "A Troll, am I, Obi-wan? Perhaps. But perhaps you have forgotten the nature of the Trolls, Obi-wan. Always two there are, no more, no less. A Master... and an Apprentice. Begun you have, your journey to the Troll side."

Obi-Wan: "No. No, that's not true! That's impossible!"

Ciaran: "Search your feelings, you know it to be true! I can feel your annoyance, Obi-wan. And here, I am defenseless. Make your jokes, prank me with all of your ingenuity! Then your journey towards the Troll side... will be complete.

Obi-Wan: "Never! I'll never become a Troll!"

Ciaran: "It's too late! Your trolling has made you clever... now fulfill your destiny, and take your place by my side!"

Obi-Wan: "NOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!"



Ciaran: "Just kidding! ...or am I?"
 
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Lol. I guess she's Baneite where it counts.



Ciaran: "A Troll, am I, Obi-wan? Perhaps. But perhaps you have forgotten the nature of the Trolls, Obi-wan. Always two there are, no more, no less. A Master... and an Apprentice. Begun you have, your journey to the Troll side."

Obi-Wan: "No. No, that's not true! That's impossible!"

Ciaran: "Search your feelings, you know it to be true! I can feel your annoyance, Obi-wan. And here, I am defenseless. Make your jokes, prank me with all of your ingenuity! Then your journey towards the Troll side... will be complete.

Obi-Wan: "Never! I'll never become a Troll!"

Ciaran: "It's too late! Your trolling has made you clever, Obi-wan... now fulfill your destiny, and take your place by my side!"

Obi-Wan: ""NOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!"
my need for omakes are strong today
 
You know who else is a member of the CNS?

Ithor.

And you know what Ithorians are known for?

They're the best damn ecologists in the galaxy.

Say a star explodes. Pretty bad, but supernovas are nothing new: just evacuate the planet. Ah, but here's the catch: the native species have nowhere to go, nowhere to live, because that is the only planet suited to their biology. Who you gonna call?

<sings: "Ghostbusters!">

Nope, not that, the other one. "Ithorians!" There we go.

Ecosystem destroyed? Call up the Ithorians, and they'll build you a new one! Either a herdship city (for a small, mobile population) or a newly terraformed planet, custom-made for that specific lifeform.


So yeah. When I hear "bacta can only be made on that one planet because the lifeform that produces it can't survive anywhere else"... I just see dollar signs. Because considering our allies, that's hardly an obstacle at all.


Also worth pointing out: we own a medical corporation that specializes in genetics. Anyone want to bet that we can't work with the Arkanians to find some way to 1) ensure that native Thyferrans can survive off-planet or 2) analyze the genetic profile of the bacta ingredient and start synthesizing it like lab-grown beef?

We'll be fine.
 
So, people, getting the Bacta is not the problem here. It'd be nice, but the real issue is Palpatines little paradox. Even if we successfully steal or replace Bacta on our own, the planet is still asking to join the CNS.

Here's the second part. The real muscle is obviously the CIS. Bacta is not actually important for them, but it is a strategic resource for the Republic, whose Clones cannot be healed or replaced nearly as quickly as droids can. Thus, one possibility is to make denying the Republic a strategic resource less attractive than cedeing it to us. At the moment we're neutral because neither side can afford to piss us off and gang up on them with their enemy. We could play that as our stick. Is keeping one strategic resource (which again, has no direct benefit for the CIS) from the Republic worth more than staying out of a two front war? The risk is of course that they might decide they need to hold their own ground to not set a precedent of us threatening them. If they do, we go to war, likely with the Republic as allies. We'd keep faith in the CNS, but we'd be loosing our popular appeal as neutrals. By the same token, the CNS is still much weaker than the other two, just strong enough to turn the tides if we join a side. Our advantage is that even with growing armies, the Rep and CIS are grinding each other down while we have an untouched economy to keep growing. Basically, the longer it's neutral, the better off the CNS will be. Going to war means spending lives and ships and resources on conflict. We might have more of the galaxies economy, but we definitely cannot outlast the CIS or Rep.

That was the stick and it's risks. What about the carrot? Well again, the CIS's goal is to deny Bacta to clone armies. If we distribute freely, the Republic has the buying power to still take a big chunk, if they don't just bully us into forking it over. So, we've got to deny Bacta to the Republic, while also not appearing biased. Again, relief efforts save us. Now realistically, it's a smarter move for the Republic to shove all the Bacta it can into it's armies to end the war faster, rather than, say, giving it to civilian casualties and refugees. But those civilians aren't likely to appreciate that fact and whoops, the Rep is still democratic. Spin it enough and we'll come out the heroes again, the Rep has good PR, and the Seps deny the Clones any Bacta and don't fight a two sided war. I kinda feel bad for the Clones, but really we're loyal (for a given value) to the CNS first.

Unfortunately, I don't think stealing/replicating Bacta is going to defuse things. Even if it removes the technical Monopoly on Bacta, and thus makes available for clones, practically all production of Bacta is still on the one planet no matter what we do. And the CIS knows it. Now that could change, but it'll take years of infrastructure beyond acquiring the stuff before the Monopoly is broken. Too long for this crisis. A humanitarian invasion of that festering slave pit is also a problem. Beyond the issues of Rep/Sep intervention, it's a terrible precedent. A sovereign planet asked to join our side, and we stepped in and deposed the government? We might manage to keep our popularity with some good spinning, but that precedent is there. And Palpatine is going to use it on every planet that even thinks about joining us. Better to just bump them off quietly after they've joined, then swallow both companies while massively increaseing quality of life and profits, as per Ciaren takeover plan v.26.
 
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So, people, getting the Bacta is not the problem here. It'd be nice, but the real issue is Palpatines little paradox. Even if we successfully steal or replace Bacta on out own, the planet us still asking to join the CNS.

Here's the second part. The real muscle is obviously the CIS. Bacta is not actually important for them, but it is a strategic resource for the Republic, whose Clones cannot be healed or replaced nearly as quickly as droids can. Thus, one possibility is to make denying the Republic a strategic resource less attractive than cedeing it to us. At the moment we're neutral because neither side can afford to piss us off and gang up on them with their enemy. We could play that as our stick. Is keeping one strategic resource (which again, has no direct benefit for the CIS) from the Republic worth more than staying out of a two front war? The risk is of course that they might decide they need to hold their own ground to not set a precedent of us threatening them. If they do, we go to war, likely with the Republic as allies. We'd keep faith in the CNS, but we'd be loosing our popular appeal as neutrals. By the same token, the CNS is still much weaker than the other two, just strong enough to turn the tides if we join a side. Our advantage is that even with growing armies, the Rep and CIS are grinding each other down while we have an untouched economy to keep growing. Basically, the longer it's neutral, the better off the CNS will be. Going to war means spending lives and ships and resources on conflict. We might have more of the galaxies economy, but we definitely cannot outlast the CIS or Rep.

That was the stick and it's risks. What about the carrot? Well again, the CIS's goal is to deny Bacta to clone armies. If we distribute freely, the Republic has the buying power to still take a big chunk, if they don't just bully us into forking it over. So, we've got to deny Bacta to the Republic, while also not appearing biased. Again, relief efforts save us. Now realistically, it's a smarter move for the Republic to shove all the Bacta it can into it's at to end the war faster, rather than, say, giving it to civilian casualties and refugees. But those civilians aren't likely to appreciate that fact and whoops, the Rep is still democratic. Spin it enough and we'll come out the heroes again, the Rep has good PR, and the Steps deny the Clones any Bacta and not fight a two sided war. I kinda feel bad for the Clones, but really we're loyal (for a given value) to the CNS first.

Unfortunately, I don't think stealing/replicating Bacta is going to defuse things. Even if it removes the technical Monopoly on Bacta, and thus makes available for clones, practically all production of Bacta is still on the one planet no matter what we do. And the CIS knows it. Now that could change, but it'll take years of infrastructure beyond acquiring the stuff before the Monopoly is broken. Too long for this crisis. A humanitarian invasion of that festering slave pit is also a problem. Beyond the issues of Rep/Separate intervention, it's a terrible precedent. A sovereign planet asked to join our side, and we stepped in and deposed the government. We might manage to keep our popularity with some good spinning, but that precedent is there. And Palpatine is going to use it on every planet that even thinks about joining us. Better to just bump them off quietly after they've joined, then swallow both companies while massively increaseing quality of life and profits, as per Ciaren takeover plan v.26.

About the only thing I can dispute here is that Bacta is in fact an important resource for the CIS.

While it doesn't field large organic armies, it does have small armies and a siginificant civilian population of mostly rich people, all of which would take losing their standard of medical treatment badly.
 
I also love the idea that Asoka discovers that Cirian is a Sith all by herself, but tells nobody because she knows the Council will prevent her from learning anything else from Thrawn.
"Wait, that's supposed to be a secret? I've known that for years Skyguy, she really doesn't try very hard to hide it. Heck, she's got a Sith assassin droid just kind of hanging out in her base offering advice to anyone that asks. I just assumed that the Council had someone already on it. Especially since there are Sentinels going in and out of there all the time."
we kinda did this though?
Not "kinda", that's exactly what we did.
 
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"Wait, that's supposed to be a secret? I've known that for years Skyguy, she really doesn't try very hard to hide it. Heck, she's got a Sith assassin droid just kind of hanging out in her base offering advice to anyone that asks. I just assumed that the Council had someone already on it. Espicially since there Sentinals going in and out of there all the time."
Not "kinda", that's exactly what we did.
oh yeah i forgot about our pet sith assassin droid that just hang's out
 
I'm not sure where the Idea we would lose serious face if we did not accept Thyferra's application came from? As they are the ones approaching us, if we don't accept the loss of face is all on them. especially as it would require military intervention to successfully accept them, which flies in the face of the CNS's mandate. It would slightly slow our recruitment of CIS systems, but not by that much.



weird thought though.. @DrSnark, exactly who is in immediate charge of the CIS fleet over Thyferra? someone from the Thyferra? One of the Banking clans we have interests in?

because.. If it's the fleet that is the problem.. why seek to destroy the fleet, when we can simply Buy the fleet, or at least the loyalty of the fleet. perhaps a .1-.2% cut of the bacta trades profit for the next 10 years, in exchange for Defecting alongside the planet.
The planet gets a significant defense fleet to protect it for the duration of the war. It flips without any serious conflict, sows seeds of mistrust throughout the CIS. Plus if the betraying fleets hands over all the military data on hand to the republic when they leave, the CIS will be in no position to retaliate.
 
About the only thing I can dispute here is that Bacta is in fact an important resource for the CIS.

While it doesn't field large organic armies, it does have small armies and a siginificant civilian population of mostly rich people, all of which would take losing their standard of medical treatment badly.
I'd argue that being an important resource is not the same as being a strategic one. Bacta is nice, but its loss or gain is not going to have a noticeable in how effective droid armies are. Sep military leadership is competent enough to know this. At worst, this'll result in Dooku getting bitched at by CEO's until he snaps and disappears one of them, then the rest will start mimicking Gunray. This is even if it gets that far. Everyone and their mother seem to have a bacta tank floating around in large medical facilities, or bacta spray to bring along on missions. Even people in the republic. This makes sense, as a rare resource, Bacta is likely to be stock-piled. Bacta stores are only likely to start running out in the republic if the blockade is maintained for decades, and even then it depends on how it is rationed and allotted. It's not like Bacta was a common treatment to begin with, its too expensive. The clones however, are an army. Keeping a growing army stocked with enough bacta to reduce field casualties is very different than having bacta lying around for serious injuries and VIP's. That's where you need that direct tap to production rather than relying on existing stores, especially after the wars been going for a few years.
 
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