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    • Magoose said:
    Hi Magoose here one of the guys helping Duke.

    So we have some bad news.

    The quest has been canceled as duke does not want to write it anymore.

    I'm going to ask if I can take over for it, because I like this quest, and it would be a shame to kill it
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    TBF, Mags, you have been doing a lot of the heavylifting for the quest, so this will be in good hands. :)

    To be clear to everyone, this is just me burning out on imagination of the quest, since my muse has been hitting me over the head a lot with so many different ideas that I just can't find myself too interested in this.

    I'll still hang out here, though, since this still does have a sepcial place in my heart.

    I'd like to thank you all for making this a wonderful experience while it lasted.

    I'd also like to thank @Magoose, @Fluffy_serpent, and @Martin Noctis for doing so much to help prepare and write this quest. I couldn't have done it without you all. :D

    I'll see you all around.

    With so many regards, Duke William Of.
     
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    • Kaiser Chris said:
    Lucky for him that's something we can easily agree to. And who knows, maybe a higher budget means that the Rebels will face more than nine TIEs?
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    I always felt that the battle with TIE's should have been a continuing one all the way till the moment when the Death Star exploded, but the X-Wings holding on due to the experience of their pilots and how badass they are.

    Though that would take away from Vader just decimating them and proving how badass He is. A most vexing conundrum.
     
    overmind said:
    Though that would take away from Vader just decimating them and proving how badass He is. A most vexing conundrum.
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    Showcase heavy losses on the Rebels side, including Biggs, because of him.

    Like, the other TIE Fighters are inflicting heavy casualties with just their numbers, but Vader's in a total league of his own and "somehow" Luke's just lucky enough to get by on pure talent and the help of his friends.
     
    Orion Ultor said:
    Showcase heavy losses on the Rebels side, including Biggs, because of him.

    Like, the other TIE Fighters are inflicting heavy casualties with just their numbers, but Vader's in a total league of his own and "somehow" Luke's just lucky enough to get by on pure talent and the help of his friends.
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    Another simple solution would be to showcase the Rebel pilots(Luke's Squadron) as being hyper competent and avoiding death by the TIE's and Turbo Lasers, before Vader turns up and pursues them ruthlessly. They do all that they can to try and avoid him and his Squadron and pull out all the stops, but he just continues to unceasingly and calmly hunt them down and takes them out one by one. This way, both sides are shown to be skilled without sacrificing competency on either side.
     
    Schehera Zade said:
    Another simple solution would be to showcase the Rebel pilots(Luke's Squadron) as being hyper competent and avoiding death by the TIE's and Turbo Lasers, before Vader turns up and pursues them ruthlessly. They do all that they can to try and avoid him and his Squadron and pull out all the stops, but he just continues to unceasingly and calmly hunt them down and takes them out one by one. This way, both sides are shown to be skilled without sacrificing competency on either side.
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    Sure, but by the same token, the Death Star should be able to provide far more firepower (turrets and additional TIE Fighters) than the Rebels can reasonably man, especially if we're trying to showcase them as the underdog.

    Not against the idea, but we need to keep a reasonable sense of both scale and drama that both numbers and Vader can provide.
     
    Orion Ultor said:
    Sure, but by the same token, the Death Star should be able to provide far more firepower (turrets and additional TIE Fighters) than the Rebels can reasonably man, especially if we're trying to showcase them as the underdog.

    Not against the idea, but we need to keep a reasonable sense of both scale and drama that both numbers and Vader can provide.
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    Maybe it's just me, but I'm not exactly sure what it is you're saying here, particularly anything that serves as an addendum to what it was that I said. Could you elaborate further?
     
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    Schehera Zade said:
    Maybe it's just me, but I'm not exactly sure what it is you're saying here, particularly anything that contradicts what it was that I said. Could you elaborate further?
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    I dunno if I'm just exhausted, but the implication I got from your bit reads as if you're implying that Luke's Squadron alone is so hypercompetent that it undoes the numerical advantage that the Death Star provides the Imperial Forces, despite the fact a moon sized base should provide fighters in the thousands and discounting the blasters that should already be aimed at them.

    What I was getting that is that I figure even with the Rebels, and specifically Luke's squadron, being real good at their job, and even with a last second save by Han, it's a lot more suspenseful for the audience to see just how insane it was that Luke even managed to not only make it to the Trench, but win the day by the skin of his teeth, especially since the Rebels should be very ragtag at this point.
     
    Schehera Zade said:
    Maybe it's just me, but I'm not exactly sure what it is you're saying here, particularly anything that serves as an addendum to what it was that I said. Could you elaborate further?
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    Well, personally, I feel that if we go with too much TIE's or turrets we run the risk of oversaturating the entire final battle, which while not bad might seem a bit garish to show.

    I mean, the final battle was filled with tension, with suspense, but adding more fighters, lights, lasers might just distract from that which made the scene memorable.
     
    Orion Ultor said:
    I dunno if I'm just exhausted, but the implication I got from your bit reads as if you're implying that Luke's Squadron alone is so hypercompetent that it undoes the numerical advantage that the Death Star provides the Imperial Forces, despite the fact a moon sized base should provide fighters in the thousands and discounting the blasters that should already be aimed at them.
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    Nah, I think I just wasn't clear enough. I singled out Luke's Squadron because I'm referring specifically to the scene where they shoot the torpedo into the Death Star and the lead up to that, where they are the focus. I wasn't talking about any other part of the battle. I thought that it was what we were all referring to, but I guess that was my mistake.
     
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    overmind said:
    I mean, the final battle was filled with tension, with suspense, but adding more fighters, lights, lasers might just distract from that which made the scene memorable.
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    I mean, adding a minute or two more of both, watching them get there and continuing to see it in the background (even if it's on a modified loop), was more to what I was getting at than just add more DAKKA!

    Personally imagined the fight starting with a wide shot and seeing the insane number of fights in the background [practical effects means it was probably done with mirrors], and then slowly zooming in on Luke's Squadron as they started acting like a scalpel, slicing through those defenses [with some minor damage], until Vader got in the picture and just started wrecking through them like a wrecking ball.
     
    Orion Ultor said:
    Luke's Squadron as they started acting like a scalpel, slicing through those defenses [with some minor damage], until Vader got in the picture and just started wrecking through them like a wrecking ball.
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    This was basically what I was getting at. Luke and his Squadron being very competent and avoiding death while they're being pursued and taking out enemies while on their way to completing their specific mission and destroying the Death Star, before Vader and his Squadron come in and slowly tear through them like paper despite their best efforts, because Vader and his men are simply that much better.


    Edit: a little more DAKKA!! never hurt nobody 🥺
     
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    Schehera Zade said:
    This was basically what I was getting at. Luke and his Squadron being very competent and avoiding death while they're being pursued and taking out enemies while on their way to completing their specific mission and destroying the Death Star, before Vader and his Squadron come in and slowly tear through them like paper despite their best efforts.
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    I do think the audience should be reminded that Luke has no idea what he's doing [he's never trained with the Squadron and has never been behind the controls of an actual starfighter before] even though he's talented, probably by visually being slightly out of sync with the rest of his squadron (unfamiliar with call signs, tactics are unfamiliar, etc.), and the last piece of advice he got from Biggs being something like "Look, I know you ain't never been behind one of these. Out there, there's a lot o'shit you need to be aware of, but the most important of them in zero-g third dimensional space? The enemy gate is down."
     
    Schehera Zade said:
    I don't know what you mean by this but I basically agree with everything else you've said.
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    Ender's Game is one of the best sci-fi classics to date, and one of the few to touch on what zero-g third dimensional combat would actually look like...unfortunately, it's author is, uh, fairly controversial for his view on the LGBT+ community that's showcases far more heavily in the later books in the series. Which is itself a shame, there are some fairly nuanced and interesting philosophical concepts that are touched on in those works.

    There's a movie too, but I wasn't as much a fan of it as the book.
     
    Orion Ultor said:
    There's a movie too, but I wasn't as much a fan of it as the book.
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    I read the book multiple times and have seen the film and I still don't remember jack shit from it. Straight up, I always mix up the content with an old Halo book I remember owning.

    This is the first I've heard of any sort of controversy with the author. In regards to the author, on a scale of "I believe in civil unions" to "God hates gays" Westboro shit, what are we talking about here?
     
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    Orion Ultor said:
    Ender's Game is one of the best sci-fi classics to date, and one of the few to touch on what zero-g third dimensional combat would actually look like...unfortunately, it's author is, uh, fairly controversial for his view on the LGBT+ community that's showcases far more heavily in the later books in the series. Which is itself a shame, there are some fairly nuanced and interesting philosophical concepts that are touched on in those works.

    There's a movie too, but I wasn't as much a fan of it as the book.
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    Eh, we can still use them, perhaps even make a TV show instead of a movie to better showcase the philosophical concepts...

    Hey! Now that I think about it, how about Dune TV show! We could speak with the guys who have the rights and try and convince them about it.
     
    Schehera Zade said:
    I read the book multiple times and have seen the film and I still don't remember jack shit from it. Straight up, I always mix up the content with an old Halo book I remember owning.
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    Eh, it's very internal dialogue heavy with both series focusing on genius child saviour tropes, so that's probably why.
    Schehera Zade said:
    In regards to the author, on a scale of "I don't believe in gay marriage" to "God hates gays" Westboro shit, what are we talking about here?
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    Supporter for Conversion Camps and 'conflates gay sex with pedophilia' are the extent I know of, but I haven't looked more into it in the years since.
    overmind said:
    Eh, we can still use them, perhaps even make a TV show instead of a movie to better showcase the philosophical concepts...
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    I'm up for it if everyone else is.
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    Hey! Now that I think about it, how about Dune TV show! We could speak with the guys who have the rights and try and convince them about it.
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    ...aren't the last three books in the series almost exclusively about the author's kinks?
     
    Orion Ultor said:
    Eh, it's very internal dialogue heavy with both series focusing on genius child saviour tropes, so that's probably why.

    Supporter for Conversion Camps and 'conflates gay sex with pedophilia' are the extent I know of, but I haven't looked more into it in the years since.
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    The first one is disgusting, and the second one...I don't know what to think when you think all the false allegations that have been made about Greece.
    Orion Ultor said:
    I'm up for it if everyone else is.

    ...aren't the last three books in the series almost exclusively about the author's kinks?
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    Nah, it's about the inevitability of fate, free will vs. security, war against oppresion, and the final exodus and freedom of humanity from oppresion in the galaxy to a place where they will never be slaves or puppets again.

    Heck, the author made it a bit Meta at the end, showing a conversation between him and his wife about "If he really thought they would do as he wanted forever?", amking it seem like hsi characters finally got out of his control and chose freedom and uncertainty over oppresion and life.

    It's beautiful in a way, don't you think?
     
    Schehera Zade said:
    It's almost certainly the case that you're telling the truth, but the addition of this line just instantly makes me suspicious about it and think that it does actually have weird fetish shit.
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    Well, at the very least, if there is one I did not see it. It's been a while since I read the books, and I had just moved to the U.S. back then so my english was not very good. I remember reading the books and being fascinated by the entire worldbuilding and the plots and counter plots, as well as the themes behind it all.
     
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