Forge of Destiny(Xianxia Quest)

I'm suddenly quite interested in whether or not we can slot Cultivation techniques into our Domain.

If we can, that's the most likely source of "Free"(not really, a Domain slot I a cost) Talent bumps.

AG is more likely to give it than EPC probably, but who knows about either. Yrs has been close to the chest about how common Talent bumps are, besides "rare, but they exist".

or we can keep long therm for our Clan. The clan's founder's first (flying) weapon being a heirloom is a common trope.
Heck, I'm sure lil'sis could use it as motivation to actually go through breakthrough hell to hit Green/Bronze.

As far as I'm concerned, SMB is our first flying sword for those purposes. Neophyte's Blade can either be a gift or 75 rss, but holding onto it for 10+ years for sentimental reasons seems to be a waste to me.
 
Being in a high-stakes environment puts short term expediency into conflict with long-term growth.

I feel like this has cut both ways for Ling Qi though; chaos was very much a ladder for her this year. Ling Qi has prospered again and again by being a pillar of CRX's regime, gaining not only her long term position as vassal but also numerous other valuable rewards such as many thousands of RSS worth in gifts, prizes and income. I think she came out way ahead compared to where she would've been in a hypothetical relaxed Outer Sect well policed by Elders.

You might say that with the vassalage Ling Qi has gained that the time for such risk is over, but I disagree. Do you think CRX's mom cares what happens in the Outer Sect after this year? No, it was a test for CRX, a test CRX has already passed. CRX wants her government to continue, sure, but I think that's mostly due to her own alignment.

CRX already mentioned to us before we signed up that she wanted to know the resources she had for the Inner Sect in advance going in. Her mother is going to test her again, and the prospective rewards and punishments for CRX will probably be even larger this year. Ling Qi being stuck in Outer won't insulate her from the consequences of failure there, but it might reduce the rewards she would reap from CRX's successes, and it could see her drift away from the position she's won for herself as the Left Hand of a future Duchess.

All this is ignoring the flat material benefits of the Inner Sect too, these arguments are just about the gains Ling Qi has gotten and is likely to see in the future from embracing Conflict.
 
The well funded students would likely benift more from a lack of chaos then the poor students. Chaos means resources are redirected. Our crime waves were definitely profitable.
 
I'm suddenly quite interested in whether or not we can slot Cultivation techniques into our Domain.
Well, there have been distinctions made before between cultivation arts and regular arts, so I'm not confident that cultivation arts can be slotted into Domain slots.

That being said, I would not be surprised if cultivation arts could be added to a domain.
 
There is one other thing we can do in the outer sect that we can't do in the inner sect - cultivate IN PEACE.

Being in a high-stakes environment puts short term expediency into conflict with long-term growth. Ling Qi herself mentioned how her first sable light pills were "wasted", and she is right. If we weren't under constant pressure to get stronger NOW, we could have held off on using those pills, leaving us with less Qi in the short term but a much more valuable asset in the long term. Bu we needed that qi to deal with the competition we faced, so those early pills were squandered. The same thing is happening with our current SLP use, albeit a lesser extent. If we were willing to wait until hitting Green Appraisal, we could have increased the effectiveness of each of the seven bonus rolls by 30 dice, not to mention improving the rolls themselves. That would be far more optimal than what we are doing now, but it would cost us in the tournoument, so we can't do it.

To give an other example, take a look at the things we are cultivating. Optimal cultivation would have had us pushing EPC, which would then give us bonuses to everything else. It would have had us pushing our base cultivation, which lets us use Green Stones more effectively. It would NOT have us working on TRF each week instead; that sort of course of action grants us more strength in the short term, but it doesn't boost our growth rate at all, which is what we could be targetting if we weren't under so much pressure.

Point is, there is value in being allowed to take things slow and steady instead of needing to rush for more strength ASAP, and that is a benefit that we get in the Outer Sect which the Inner Sect won't provide.
I'd argue that the big difference is that if we had a couple more weeks we'd have rushed appraisal to use SLP there. EPC5 can be gotten when we are at appraisal green and would be gotten faster there, anyway.

Cultivating in peace has advantage of being able to make plans, but also has the disadvantage of not being able to grab opportunities. As someone with low resources as we aren't from a high noble families, we need the chaos in order to grab rare pills and rare resources we wouldn't otherwise be able to grab.

Inner sect also means being in peace if we wanted to... except we have voted to follow CRX, and she might want to upend the inner sect peace.
I recall that was Argent Way, which we only learned about after breaking through.

Argent Genesis is the successor to Argent Soul, a cultivation art that is valued even by high nobles because of it's permanent bonuses that work even if you no longer have the Art equipped.
'Argent Way' is a Way, not an art. It's basically saying "We have gotten all the combat art and cultivation art for Argent techniques for low level". We don't know what the fourth art is called.

We also don't know what Argent Genesis exactly gives. AS is valued not just because it gives permanent bonus (as far as we know all cultivation art do) but also because it's a neutral cultivation art you can slap on top of any familial one.
 
I feel like this has cut both ways for Ling Qi though; chaos was very much a ladder for her this year. Ling Qi has prospered again and again by being a pillar of CRX's regime, gaining not only her long term position as vassal but also numerous other valuable rewards such as many thousands of RSS worth in gifts, prizes and income. I think she came out way ahead compared to where she would've been in a hypothetical relaxed Outer Sect well policed by Elders.
it's a well known concept that Chaos begets Opportunity.
Heck :"Sun-Tzu — 'In the midst of chaos, there is also opportunity'"

Do you think CRX's mom cares what happens in the Outer Sect after this year? No, it was a test for CRX, a test CRX has already passed. CRX wants her government to continue, sure, but I think that's mostly due to her own alignment.
There's also the fact that Shenhua already implicitelly admits you can't govern without being physically present. Afterall, she is still here in the material world...

All this is ignoring the flat material benefits of the Inner Sect too, these arguments are just about the gains Ling Qi has gotten and is likely to see in the future from embracing Conflict.
I very much doubt Ling Qi's access to Inner Sect is in any real risk.
The first round is as good as won, since it's a melee Ling Qi will excel there and will be in the top 16 qualified for second round.
We also know the tournament isn't really random, but rather on a seeded system, so we're pretty much guaranteed to not face any of the three monsters in our first 1vs1 fight. And we only need to win one fight to get in the top 8 to enter Inner Sect.
I think Ling Qi is going to win against a random Green opponent...
 
I very much doubt Ling Qi's access to Inner Sect is in any real risk.
The first round is as good as won, since it's a melee Ling Qi will excel there and will be in the top 16 qualified for second round.
We also know the tournament isn't really random, but rather on a seeded system, so we're pretty much guaranteed to not face any of the three monsters in our first 1vs1 fight. And we only need to win one fight to get in the top 8 to enter Inner Sect.
I think Ling Qi is going to win against a random Green opponent...

I still think there's a nonzero chance we see Sun Liling either in the prelim or round of 16. It would be a bit of a dickish thing to do, but Sun Liling and Ling Qi have a pretty public feud going now and it would be good entertainment fodder. The main reasons for them to hold back on that are 1) If they think Sun Liling might lose (a political disaster) and 2) If Ling Qi benefits from a certain amount of favoritism from Elder Jiao who intercedes to prevent such a matchup.

I think that the best way to prevent being matched with Sun Liling is not to rely on the largesse of Elder Jiao (who is probably a bit disappointed we accepted Cai's offer) but to be very intimidating in our chances of upsetting her. We don't need to be 50/50, we don't even need to be 80/20, we just need to be viable enough to be scary, and then we won't have to deal with it. I think in the prelim we probably achieve that despite her potent AoE attack, but I remain concerned we will be sacrificed to her in the Ro16.

On this same note, I do believe that if we work hard and buy big and smart we actually have a chance against the Sun Princess, who we will almost certainly face in some round if not the Ro16. A match against her in the Ro8 would be our one chance to get a shot at upsetting her with no serious consequences for losing, so I think it would be shortsighted not to really reach for the best outcome there.
 
I wonder what the reaction would be if we beat Sun Liling before she has a chance of fight Bai Meizhen. Everyone is looking forward to that fight.
 
I still think there's a nonzero chance we see Sun Liling either in the prelim or round of 16. It would be a bit of a dickish thing to do, but Sun Liling and Ling Qi have a pretty public feud going now and it would be good entertainment fodder. The main reasons for them to hold back on that are 1) If they think Sun Liling might lose (a political disaster) and 2) If Ling Qi benefits from a certain amount of favoritism from Elder Jiao who intercedes to prevent such a matchup.

I think that the best way to prevent being matched with Sun Liling is not to rely on the largesse of Elder Jiao (who is probably a bit disappointed we accepted Cai's offer) but to be very intimidating in our chances of upsetting her. We don't need to be 50/50, we don't even need to be 80/20, we just need to be viable enough to be scary, and then we won't have to deal with it. I think in the prelim we probably achieve that despite her potent AoE attack, but I remain concerned we will be sacrificed to her in the Ro16.

On this same note, I do believe that if we work hard and buy big and smart we actually have a chance against the Sun Princess, who we will almost certainly face in some round if not the Ro16. A match against her in the Ro8 would be our one chance to get a shot at upsetting her with no serious consequences for losing, so I think it would be shortsighted not to really reach for the best outcome there.
I'm entirely confident we won't see Sun Liling in the first round. We have confirmation that there is match fixing going on and putting us up against her would be stupid. We joined the Cai as a vassal, and the sect will be very interested in fostering good relations with the ruler of the province. Whilst putting Ling Qi up against Sun Liling might gather some political points from the Sun, they are literally half a world away. Meanwhile they will have humiliated a direct vassal of the Cai heiress and knocked them out of any chance of getting to the inner sect.

This will lose them immediate points from Cai politically (humiliating a direct vassal of the clan and indirectly spitting on the Cai's face), possibly cost them in relations with other provincial notables (a significant fraction of which were installed into power by Shenhua from being nobodies) and potentially created a significant grudge with someone who is highly likely to rise to a position of significant political power, between our talent and relationship with Cai. It simply isn't worth it, especially since the figleaf of 'oh it's random' holds no weight to Shenhua as she's ensured it isn't.

The sect will probably be grouchy about losing the opportunity to grab Ling Qi, but they can still ensure she leaves with fond memories, so when the metaphorical alumni organisation comes calling she's more inclined to pull out her wallet. Or send her children there, or recommend the Argent Peak sect to any allies she has who have children.

Besides the Sun will be more than pacificed with her match with Meizhen, which both sides want and won't get the sect caught in the middle.

At worst we'll see Ji Rong or whatever he lieutenant's name was. Solve the Sun-Cai issue with a vassal on vassal conflict, which is vastly less likely to blowback on the sect years down the line. Even then I wouldn't bet on seeing them till round two at the earliest.
 
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This might have been the reason Cal wanted our anwser quickly. She wanted to know how she should push the seeding.

It actually seems quite likely to me that Bai and Sun might be fighting each other in the first round. The both want the fight and that makes sure it happens. Theyare also unlikely to blame the sect for it.
 
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This might have been the reason Cal wanted our anwser quickly. She wanted to know how she should push the seeding.

It actually seems quite likely to me that Bai and Sun might be fighting each other in the first round. The both want the fight and that makes sure it happens. Theyare also unlikely to blame the sect for it.


While Sun's response to missing Inner Sect would be just to dip, that's not an option for Bai due to political concessions.

I doubt Yuan He would risk spitting in the face of the Bai like that.
 
That's a stupid Hollywood level villain move.

So is literally genociding a clan. That didn't stop momma stalin from doing it tho.

As for the latter consern... if mental reprogrammation worked there would be no reason to believe CRX wasn't already benefited from it, and already been given the best possible personality for her task.

She was fitted to liming. So yes, there is mental reprogramation.

And given that her mother give her tests, giving her the perfect personnality isn't possible. Which is logical because Cai mom is a white and don't understand people anymore.
 
This might have been the reason Cal wanted our anwser quickly. She wanted to know how she should push the seeding.

It actually seems quite likely to me that Bai and Sun might be fighting each other in the first round. The both want the fight and that makes sure it happens. Theyare also unlikely to blame the sect for it.
I really, really doubt the sect will set up the brackets in such a way that any of the monsters will fight each other before the round of 8. It makes much more sense to seed them each into separate quarter brackets so none of them meet until the semifinals. This allows the monsters into the high ranking spots (that they honestly deserve) while also setting up the final fights to be the big spectacles and grudge matches everyone is most excited for.

Personally, I would also predict that Cai will be placed on the opposite half bracket as Sun and Bai. That would practically guarantee that the two of them will get their grudge match, with the winner facing Cai in the finals - which will also ensure that the province heir gets a good showing. Everyone wins! Well, except for the poor souls sacrificed to the monsters in the first round of the brackets of course.
 
This might have been the reason Cal wanted our anwser quickly. She wanted to know how she should push the seeding.

It actually seems quite likely to me that Bai and Sun might be fighting each other in the first round. The both want the fight and that makes sure it happens. Theyare also unlikely to blame the sect for it.
No.
Because that would imply one of the two would not pass to Inner Sect.
What is going to happen is that the 8 most powerful (both personal power and political) will be teamed against the 8 least powerful ones, for the explicite goal of having the best 8 Outer Disciples pass into Inner Sect.
From the second round onwards we can see some random or otherwise motivated match-ups. Like Bai Vs Sun.


So is literally genociding a clan. That didn't stop momma stalin from doing it tho.
Genocide makes sense as long as you ensure it is genocide and you don't leave problematic heirs or whatever alive to come back and bite you in the ass latter. You eliminate the problem, annex it's ressources and send a message to any potential future opposition.
Heck, if anything it's the second best move against opposition (the first one being peaceful diplomatic solution since that doesn't eat up your war forces).


Everyone wins! Well, except for the poor souls sacrificed to the monsters in the first round of the brackets of course.
Sacrifice is a ... big word.
The goal of the tournament is to have the 8 best disciples move to Inner Sect, hence having the weaker of the top 16 fail in the first 1vs1 fight makes perfect sense and is by definition the goal of the competition.
I mean, what else would you rather have ? random chance determining if you enter Inner Sect ? Have the stronger participants elimitate each other and ending with 1 to 4 weak disciples entering Inner Sect instead of stronger more deserving ones ?
 
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Sacrifice is a ... big word.
The goal of the tournament is to have the 8 best disciples move to Inner Sect, hence having the weaker of the top 16 fail in the first 1vs1 fight makes perfect sense and is by definition the goal of the competition.
I mean, what else would you rather have ? random chance determining if you enter Inner Sect ? Have the stronger participants elimitate each other and ending with 1 to 4 weak disciples entering Inner Sect instead of stronger more deserving ones ?
No, I do agree that it makes sense to have the higher seeds against the lower sees in the first round, so to speak. It was just a little tongue-in-cheek joke about how unfortunate it's going to be for whoever is matched against one of the monsters in first round, as it's essentially telling them straight up they aren't going to make it to the inner sect this year.
 
I very much doubt Ling Qi's access to Inner Sect is in any real risk.
The first round is as good as won, since it's a melee Ling Qi will excel there and will be in the top 16 qualified for second round.
We also know the tournament isn't really random, but rather on a seeded system, so we're pretty much guaranteed to not face any of the three monsters in our first 1vs1 fight. And we only need to win one fight to get in the top 8 to enter Inner Sect.
I think Ling Qi is going to win against a random Green opponent...
I agree that we're most likely going to make it through the first round. But it's not as good as won. There's always a chance we get stuffed in a group with a bunch of people who don't like us like Lu Feng,Huang Da's crazy fiancé, or any number of people who were in with Sun Liling or Yan Renshu while most of our friends and allies end up in a different group. It's not a terribly likely scenario, and there's a good chance Ling Qi would push through anyway, but it's not the worst experience laudable scenario either, which would involve being placed in a group with Kang and his lackeys or Ji Rong.

Either way, after we (most likely) pass the first round, we'd probably be seeded 6-8 out of 16, behind Sun, Bai, Cai, Chu, that crazy tree guy, and maybe even Yan Renshu. In a fairly seeded tournament, that's not even close to a sure thing, since we could easily end up fighting Kang Zihao, Ji Rong, or even Gan Guangli.
 
We already fought and won against a Green 2 (or was it 3 ?) dragon with the added handicap of not being able to actually attack him. I'm pretty sure Ling Qi is going to win against the average Green 1 disciple... And that's all we're going to need to do to get to inner sect.
The latter fights are "just" for bragging rights and maybe some undisclosed potential reward that may or may not depend on the rank achieved.
 
It would be convenient if we ran into Ji Rong in the first half of the tournament. He's a lot more obnoxious to fight in the finals, and we could actually face that match up.
 
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I still think there's a nonzero chance we see Sun Liling either in the prelim or round of 16. It would be a bit of a dickish thing to do, but Sun Liling and Ling Qi have a pretty public feud going now and it would be good entertainment fodder. The main reasons for them to hold back on that are 1) If they think Sun Liling might lose (a political disaster) and 2) If Ling Qi benefits from a certain amount of favoritism from Elder Jiao who intercedes to prevent such a matchup.
I actually kind of want Liling to be in our battle royale. As long as we have parity otherwise I think our chances in a match of, e.g., us + two allies vs. Liling + two allies are pretty good.

Preventing her from advancing would be so sweet.
 
I mean, I'd be willing to throw a fight against Meizhen, but Sun is getting impaled right in the abdomen. Twice, because we're petty like that.
 
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