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Forge of Destiny(Xianxia Quest)

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[x] Lace of Loss

I really like how it can self heal while draining an enemy and how there's minimal chance of escape due to feeding off of some of Ling Qi's best stats. I'm going to vote for it for that and probably moreso because I feel a pity obligation for it, but I can definitely see how the stats and concept don't really line up with the voice of the people.
 
[X] Night's Edge

Stealthed, very stabby, we can get boosts from another talisman that can't be stabby anyway. Though the top few are all very nice. Bit worried they'd focus on an unstealthed, weaker Qi drainer to take it out first.
 
[X] Singing Mist Blade

I think we just want to stack as much spiritual offense as we possibly can. The singing mist blade helps get the doom spiral rolling and also helps speed it along.

I reflexively distrust Night's Edge after years and years of playing rogues and trying to score backstab damage.
 
[X] Singing Mist Blade

Huh, isn't Singing Mist Blade crazily strong? Decent DV but below average AP compared to the other weapons but it attacks spiritual defence and is AOE for free?!? No bonus dice, below average health and no semi-perfect damage though. No stealth also, so it's going to be a prime target to be wrecked.
 
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[x] Singing Mist Blade

AOE for free, and a *five die bonus to all offensive musical arts*. Also erodes spiritual defenses on hit, and attacks spiritual defenses itself. Given how much of our repertoire consists of offensive musical arts that target spiritual defenses....
 
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My other big concern about the singing mist blade is how long will it last turn wise? I can't help but think back to Reshu's shield getting destroyed in one shot. The mist blade will become an obvious priority target with no real defenses, and I have to wonder if it will survive enough turns to really get the death spiral going if it is drawing attention from everything within 15 meters of it.
 
mc2rpg said:
My other big concern about the singing mist blade is how long will it last turn wise? I can't help but think back to Reshu's shield getting destroyed in one shot. The mist blade will become an obvious priority target with no real defenses, and I have to wonder if it will survive enough turns to really get the death spiral going if it is drawing attention from everything within 15 meters of it.
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32 dice for defense is nothing to sneeze at. If we don't get to Domain 1 though, then all of this is sorta less worth it.
 
mc2rpg said:
My other big concern about the singing mist blade is how long will it last turn wise? I can't help but think back to Reshu's shield getting destroyed in one shot. The mist blade will become an obvious priority target with no real defenses, and I have to wonder if it will survive enough turns to really get the death spiral going if it is drawing attention from everything within 15 meters of it.
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This is true but if it does get everyone to focus fire on it and it certainly has done its job even if it gets wrecked. Flying swords auto-heal after fights right?
 
The "will it be okay against another flying sword" question is another reason I like Night's Edge. Not because it's got durability in sword on sword action but because it can pierce the armor of a flying sword no question (none of the offensive swords we're offered have armor, defensive ones likely do but not enough that it beats 6 AP) and has big bonus damage. Bonus damage will wreck an opposing flying sword, if it is of similar quality it only takes two hits at most to kill a 10 hp sword. We can ambush their sword with ours too, we don't have to use stealth to avoid sword on sword action, although we can. A big sneak attack against a flying sword can probably kill it in a single hit.
 
I think the AoE objective is basically such that they can't just pin our sword down with their sword because it can attack both wielder and domain weapon at the same time.
 
veekie said:
I think the AoE objective is basically such that they can't just pin our sword down with their sword because it can attack both wielder and domain weapon at the same time.
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How does that stop them from attacking our sword and destroying it before it really gets the debuff stacks rolling? Hitting everyone in a large area seems more likely to draw fire and get it destroyed.
 
[X] Singing Mist Blade

Hard decision, but this boosts our music stuff, targets spirit defense and applies stacking debuffs to it, and even leeches qi if it lands enough hits. Night's Edge is stronk and cool enough in it's own right but it is mostly a "has some really high numbers" thing that doesn't make Qi cooler along the axes I like most about her.

[X] Tailor's Regret

Isn't going to win, probably, but wanted to drop a vote for it anyway because our Stealth aspect is also kinda desirable because that is a strong aspect of our core character concept.
 
mc2rpg said:
How does that stop them from attacking our sword and destroying it before it really gets the debuff stacks rolling? Hitting everyone in a large area seems more likely to draw fire and get it destroyed.
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Thats nothing they couldn't have tried already, Flying Swords are also resistanto to non flying swords so...if they focus fire the sword, its doing its job and we get to attack them freely in turn.

For a remote weapon, drawing enemy fire is a plus. Just deploy it more carefully against a Monster, who are the main hazards there, as a Cai comissioned sword with a 4th realm mat is better than most non ducal swords
 
veekie said:
I think the AoE objective is basically such that they can't just pin our sword down with their sword because it can attack both wielder and domain weapon at the same time.
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So? They can still batter it into nothing in two to three rounds using their own sword, which is also how long it takes to start the resolve tests. I mean, Singing Mist Blade is a good idea and synergistic, but its specific weakness is that it has nothing to protect against or neutralize the opposing flying sword.

And 15m is not a very big AoE. Our melee range is 10m. In fights movement techs regularly take people 80m+ in a single round. It should be possible to intercept the blade outside proper AoE range, depending on the circumstances of the fight. Again, that doesn't make it bad, but those are the weaknesses.
 
veekie said:
Thats nothing they couldn't have tried already, Flying Swords are also resistanto to non flying swords so...if they focus fire the sword, its doing its job and we get to attack them freely in turn.
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It is something that they could try with any of the weapons, but it matters much less if any of the others get knocked out in two turns. If the singing mist blade gets knocked out early it really doesn't contribute to the death spiral for long, meanwhile if the stealth sword gets knocked out it will have already done damage that won't just go away.

Also, if the sword is soaking up a bunch of damage and dying before it gets at least 3 stacks out then no it is not doing it's job. Our domain weapons purpose is not to be a damage sponge, it is to either do damage or accelerate the death spiral. If it isn't doing those effectively we might as well have a shield.
 
They don't get free hits either, unless Ling Qi is just sitting there.

Whats more important? Preventing Ling Qi from her three round setup that makes both her and her sword harder to target, or preventing the sword's setup?

While Zhengui is doing the same.

Whichever they target at the expense of the rest starts a deathspiral...and enemies don't know what it does, except for Cai
 
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veekie said:
They don't get free hits either, unless Ling Qi is just sitting there.

Whats more important? Preventing Ling Qi from her three round setup that makes both her and her sword harder to target, or preventing the sword's setup?

While Zhengui is doing the same.
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They get a flying sword, Veekie. All the fights we've seen that have involved flying swords have gone to sword on sword action. They don't have to focus fire on the sword, they just have to send their own sword at it while they focus on Ling Qi.

That's why domain weapons do full damage against other domain weapons. The entire intent of that rule is that domain weapons fight domain weapons. Having a domain weapon specialized into fighting cultivators isn't bad, but it is weak if it gets targeted by another domain weapon.
 
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While people have the mindset of us stalling out battles, I think that's a terrible mindset to take with our Domain Weapon. Our Domain Weapon can't benefit from TRF like we or our allies can, and even with it's 1/2 damage reduction if it draws fire it'll eventually go down with little we can do about it.

The Singing Mist Blade has less than normal hp and will go down more quickly. In addition its main powers require a lot of stacked debuffs and time to work well, so the enemy has an easy, clear strategy of focusing it down early. You don't want to give your enemies clear easy goals like that.

Night's Edge has a number of advantages in this respect. It's constantly stealthing, so it's much harder to target. Also, unlike SMB, it's much better at "blowing its load", dealing a bunch of damage early and turning a fight, so that even if it drops on turn 3 the fight may be won by then anyway.
 
SynchronizedWritersBlock said:
They get a flying sword, Veekie. All the fights we've seen that have involved flying swords have gone to sword on sword action. They don't have to focus fire on the sword, they just have to send their own sword at it while they focus on Ling Qi.

That's why domain weapons do full damage against other domain weapons. The entire intent of that rule is that domain weapons fight domain weapons. Having a domain weapon specialized into fighting cultivators isn't bad, but it is weak if it gets targeted by another domain weapon.
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Which, would be where the mists and our own debuffs come in? Sword to sword is a thing, but their sword's effectiveness goes down every round we get, AND our sword benefits from our own stealth until we loose it too.
 
veekie said:
Which, would be where the mists and our own debuffs come in? Sword to sword is a thing, but their sword's effectiveness goes down every round we get, AND our sword benefits from our own stealth until we loose it too.
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How is our sword going to benefit from our stealth when it is flying into reach of the enemy to debuff and attack everything? Thr actual stealth sword will probably do that, but i have a hard time buying thr area of effect music sword is going to go unnoticed for long.
 
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