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Forge of Destiny(Xianxia Quest)

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archangis said:
Breaktrough hell is finished. Wouhou.

Also, argent arts just shot up to first place in term of what arts we need to finish first. Because they might give us the next level cultivation art.
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Shouldn't our existing EPC still be higher priority by that logic? I'm sure the 4th Art will be good, but I'm far from convinced it'll be more potent than our Moon Arts. I do think it will cover important ground and impress some people, though.

On another note, I'm curious whether becoming Cai Renxiang's vassal would restrict us away from spending a couple years in the inner sect; the chance to deepen our relationship with Xin and Zeqing after this year is up is quite compelling to me.
 
I wonder if Ling Qi now has an ambient aura like Meizhen and Cai?

Meizhen terrifies mortals around her, Cai radiates light and gives off the feeling of authority. Would Ling Qi make everyone feel relaxed and at home?
 
George said:
Shouldn't our existing EPC still be higher priority by that logic? I'm sure the 4th Art will be good, but I'm far from convinced it'll be more potent than our Moon Arts. I do think it will cover important ground and impress some people, though.

On another note, I'm curious whether becoming Cai Renxiang's vassal would restrict us away from spending a couple years in the inner sect; the chance to deepen our relationship with Xin and Zeqing after this year is up is quite compelling to me.
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Eh, I have to say that what I saw from our interactions with Cai so far does suggest that she plans/intends to have us around her and assist in building up her own power so I am doubtful that we would remain within the sect for much longer than her. The situation might be different if for example we opt for a less direct vassalage with Cai (as in still serve but not as a direct advisor/friend) but I am not sure how realistic that is (or even if there is any interest in doing so).

A lot of it probably also depends on the relationship between the sect and Cai (and her mother) since while I could see an argument to be made to "let" us to stay with the sect to deepen ties if this relationship is already good I doubt that we would be very welcome (or to be precise benefit much) if those two view each other as rivals/competitors. And considering Cais rather autocratic ideology I am a bit sceptical that the sects are that closely aligned with her.

In any case I doubt that we would get the same benefit from staying that we would get if we join the sect/remain a somewhat free agent since there is far less of a reason for the elders and the like to teach us the really cool stuff/adopt us as core disciple and the like. (Indeed depending on your viewpoint you might even argue that without the chance of getting us to join "them" Xin and Zeqing would have far less of a reason to interact with us/be friendly.) And there is of course the opportunity cost of not getting the total benefit that comes with joining the household of somebody as powerful and influential as Ca which in large part seem to be the reason to join her in the first case.
 
tricholysis said:
also it cuts out the possibility of the shorter-range 'pure wind/water' FSA successors a little which is annoying
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Wind/Water is still waaayyyy stronger for us due to gear + FSS.

Switching to wind/water gets us -3 qi and 2AP, and this will likely improve with better FSS. That's way better than +1 dice.

To say nothing of how we've got enough problems with trying to handle our dark/wind/water/wood element line up and how to focus that down without adding heaven in there as well. Moreover, frankly, I don't like heaven for Ling Qi. Being all lightning and super saiyan and throwing lasers around and shit is the kind of thing Ji Rong does. Screw that. That kind of thing is way overdone. We can be a dark mysterious young moon maiden. That's also cool.

So yeah. I'd favor just forgetting about this bonus entirely.
 
Man... everytime the word Dreamer comes up in a Yrs quest I grow... concerned.


And God commit... we break Meizhen's heart with every other word...
 
Kinda concerned about the abundance of combat-time Qi recovery medicine. Pretty much everyone has access to 115 extra Qi, and someone popping a Bountiful Earth can recover over half their capacity in one action. It makes a combat strategy that relies on Qi-drain a lot less appealing.

Also, @yrsillar is it possible to commission rare pills? I'm specifically thinking about 8-folds and how we have 2 sets of high-grade 2nd realm cores lying around.
 
I suspect the cost of pill popping is your main attack action in a given round. Which means the other side gets a free move.

Not a pleasant trade.
 
Black Noise said:
Kinda concerned about the abundance of combat-time Qi recovery medicine. Pretty much everyone has access to 115 extra Qi, and someone popping a Bountiful Earth can recover over half their capacity in one action. It makes a combat strategy that relies on Qi-drain a lot less appealing.
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It's not just that though. Due to qi blocking, it means that all damage that isn't unblockable is basically a waste of time. And since this is Inner Sect, I'd guess that everyone will have a TRD equivalent to block semi-perfect damage (because you kinda have to), which means that the effect is that everyone has really large qi pools because they're all chugging consumables. Which is kinda lame.

It also reduces the marginal value of qi cultivation, since adding +1 qi doesn't count for much when you're already running at an effective 200+.
 
Black Noise said:
Kinda concerned about the abundance of combat-time Qi recovery medicine. Pretty much everyone has access to 115 extra Qi, and someone popping a Bountiful Earth can recover over half their capacity in one action. It makes a combat strategy that relies on Qi-drain a lot less appealing.
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Well, it makes every strategy that focuses on dealing damage increasingly more difficult, unless you can one shot the opponent before they can trigger their semi-perfect defense. Or perfect damage offense I suppose would be more appealing.

Basically, anything less than a one-shot strategy or a perfect damage strategy is going to be affected by the amount of combat qi recovery possible, so I'm not particularly concerned about the effects on our strategy especially since they are giving us more time to debuff them and gain qi based on their actions. Possibly stealing the pills before they can use them would be an interesting way to completely mess up a cultivator's strategy though. There was that art that could steal from storage rings out there...

On a different topic, an offensively debuffing water art is getting pretty absurd for us at the moment. It will be more difficult to remove because of FVM and will also gain us defense due to the bronze breakthrough. This makes FVM and FSS even stronger in their respective areas as both of those increase our defense, again (AC too, I suppose). In combination with FSS's, TRF's, and AE's qi regen actives and passives, we have a good possibility of having the same amount of qi as we started a fight against people who are lower in the food chain than us.

Against people at the same level or higher? We should be able to last and do a better attrition build then what people may expect from us.
 
But yeah, the problem is that if you're popping pills instead of fighting, your enemy is getting free moves that they can use to make things harder for you. Ling Qi for instance could take the other person breaking off to pop a pill as an excuse to establish stealth and then go for a tele-backstab for instance.

It seems that the issue is less "Infinite combat Qi" and more "A Cultivator is generally good for two big fights a day, any more than that and they have to start rationing their resources"
 
Alectai said:
But yeah, the problem is that if you're popping pills instead of fighting, your enemy is getting free moves that they can use to make things harder for you. Ling Qi for instance could take the other person breaking off to pop a pill as an excuse to establish stealth and then go for a tele-backstab for instance.
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This makes sense if and only if the Qi restored per action is severely limited. Trading an action for one qi would be idiotic. Spending an action for ten qi could very well be a reasonable use of your time, though it is unlikely to be gamebreaking. Spending it for forty Qi is simply a no brainier.
 
Well, put it this way: assuming two equally matched cultivators, you have a ~50% chance of getting hit. If we look at, say, FSA then getting hit means taking a minimum of 5 damage, all of which will probably go straight through your armor because there is way too much AP floating around.

Assuming TRD equiv is up, that means minimum of 14 qi damage. On average it would be higher - maybe ~20. With 50% odds, that means you should be "expecting" to take about 10 qi damage. If your recovery action doesn't give you more than that then you're falling behind statistically.
 
Erandil said:
Eh, I have to say that what I saw from our interactions with Cai so far does suggest that she plans/intends to have us around her and assist in building up her own power so I am doubtful that we would remain within the sect for much longer than her. The situation might be different if for example we opt for a less direct vassalage with Cai (as in still serve but not as a direct advisor/friend) but I am not sure how realistic that is (or even if there is any interest in doing so).

A lot of it probably also depends on the relationship between the sect and Cai (and her mother) since while I could see an argument to be made to "let" us to stay with the sect to deepen ties if this relationship is already good I doubt that we would be very welcome (or to be precise benefit much) if those two view each other as rivals/competitors. And considering Cais rather autocratic ideology I am a bit sceptical that the sects are that closely aligned with her.

In any case I doubt that we would get the same benefit from staying that we would get if we join the sect/remain a somewhat free agent since there is far less of a reason for the elders and the like to teach us the really cool stuff/adopt us as core disciple and the like. (Indeed depending on your viewpoint you might even argue that without the chance of getting us to join "them" Xin and Zeqing would have far less of a reason to interact with us/be friendly.) And there is of course the opportunity cost of not getting the total benefit that comes with joining the household of somebody as powerful and influential as Ca which in large part seem to be the reason to join her in the first case.
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Your point about whether Cai would allow us is certainly compelling, and I definitely think that the Elders would not be interested in us if we are Cai's vassal. However, I don't think Xin and Zeqing care about those politics at all, and I think there is a lot of potential to progress our relationship with them by staying in the inner sect for 1-3 years. It might be viable to pitch these spirit relationships as being important to our cultivation path to Cai to persuade her to develop us further before taking us to her side.

Then again, we aren't that close with Xin and ought to be able to find or attract moon spirits wherever we go now that we're going down that cultivation path, and whatever guidance Zeqing, as a grade 4 spirit, can provide on our path may not be terribly impressive to Cai. The only remaining balance I see is that she might not be fussed about giving us a year or two to get ready for politics, either. So... it seems plausible but not the most likely outcome to me. Establishing a rapport with Cai and honing in on just what we think our path is would both likely improve our chances at persuading her.
 
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