Forge of Destiny(Xianxia Quest)
- Thread starter yrsillar
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- Original Fantasy
Sure? I am not sure what is setting breaking about doping with consequences though.
Like, yrs already said that it won't be in-combat and my own suggestion came with the caveat that it's not available in sect, only outside it.
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- Elsewhere
I think I may need to reread that section. I didn't think Ling Qi had expressed a preference either way, and believed her rejection of Meizhen was borne of surprise and her not being ready for anything of the sort, regardless of the specifics.
She may also not be interested in any case, but I don't think it was an important part of that decision.
On another note, breakthrough! I wonder if choosing the moth would've made us somehow fuzzy? I suspect choosing the girl gave us the physical changes we have.
She may also not be interested in any case, but I don't think it was an important part of that decision.
On another note, breakthrough! I wonder if choosing the moth would've made us somehow fuzzy? I suspect choosing the girl gave us the physical changes we have.
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- New Zealand
Honestly, having Qi reduced successes seems like it would just be more work for yrs to do.
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- The Star Kingdom of Manticore
I for one support the sect route. I will write a post about why when the vote comes up. Also as for the argument about the pill names. Yrs could always outsource that tedium to us!
Here is my stab at the moon pill we are going to get. Moon's Gaze.
Here is my stab at the moon pill we are going to get. Moon's Gaze.
The thing about the pill names isn't just that it's a pain inventing them, but that it's a pain keeping track of them, and remembering which is which.
I mean, I can embed all of that in my spreadsheet so it's done automatically, but from that perspective it's easiest if they follow simple rules.
Yeah, that's an excellent point.
If taking a pill takes your action for that round, that's a huge balance factor. In that case the Dragon Endurance Pills are actually a bit weak. Though since everyone has access to the same pills it won't unbalance the game regardless. Just plan accordingly.
Though just making the pills super-expensive does fit the pay-to-win habits of xianxia.
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- He/Him
It can still unbalance different Arts, though, since the semi-perfect stuff becomes more important if you can casually refill your Qi.Yeah, that's an excellent point.
If taking a pill takes your action for that round, that's a huge balance factor. In that case the Dragon Endurance Pills are actually a bit weak. Though since everyone has access to the same pills it won't unbalance the game regardless. Just plan accordingly.
Though just making the pills super-expensive does fit the pay-to-win habits of xianxia.
Everyone who is anyone at green can block semi-perfect the same as we can. If they can't, one-shoting them with Falling Star Shot or an equivalent is the best tactic even if they have no qi pills, so qi recovery is a non-issue.
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- He/Him
None of that sounds to me like a good reason to make a qi-depletion strategy even worse by making qi pills at higher grades huge.
And really, if there's such a clear cut best strategy, then it would just mean the system is already unbalanced, not that qi pills aren't a potential problem.
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I've been expecting a 40 point qi pill when we hit green since... week 15, maybe? It's the logical progression of the pills we had. What I wasn't expecting was the Dragon's Endurance Pill. I figured we would either keep our previous pills, or we would lose the 10 point pills but be able to take two twenty point pills.
Proportionally, the Dragon pills give more total recovery, but take longer, assuming only one pill per turn.
I think that with a one-per-turn limit they don't even need to take a full round action. And we only have one per day (not per fight) of the good pill.
115 qi costs THREE HUNDRED rss. That's multiple talismans worth. This isn't negligible, like the previous pills. At least, the price won't be negligible until we're a high enough level that the pills are a smaller fraction of our qi pool.
Proportionally, the Dragon pills give more total recovery, but take longer, assuming only one pill per turn.
I think that with a one-per-turn limit they don't even need to take a full round action. And we only have one per day (not per fight) of the good pill.
115 qi costs THREE HUNDRED rss. That's multiple talismans worth. This isn't negligible, like the previous pills. At least, the price won't be negligible until we're a high enough level that the pills are a smaller fraction of our qi pool.
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uh, I don't think that's the case at all? seems super busted if true, so I'm a little doubtful...
There's been one or two passages post-lake where Ling Qi stares at a girl and tries to elicit sexual feelings and fails. Things could change, sure, but since so many people have been happy that Ling Qi didn't instantly lez out on Meizhen, counteracting the usual SV-instant-lesbian-preference...I suspect any headway in that direction is beyond our control anyway.
Arkeus
Crazy cat guy
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Well, look at it the other way around. It breeds bad habit into cultivators.
We know that pills equivalent to Bear's Heartblood and Soul Concentrated Elixir won't be readily available when we are at inner sect as they were too strong (so they'd be 'rare pills'), so a cultivator usually has to spend a shit load of time cultivating Qi in some manner if they want to get to Cyan, from word of Han Jian iirc. Likewise, there ARE definite advantage to having a lot of Qi (being able to bind more spirits, for one).
Having easy, powerful Qi-regain pills? It's an interesting vicious temptation for most cultivators to let their Qi grinding fall by the wayside for immediate gain. Neglecting foundation by using external help is a big theme in Xianxia about no-no temptation, so I don't mind @yrsillar doing this to us.
Ah right, Discord stuff from earlier from @yrsillar:
- [Referring to the difficulty in establishing a relationship with Cai that we're happy with] - "Yeah I figure that counterbalances the absolute material advantage she offers over other options"
- [about our new breakthrough bonus] "You get a specialty bonus whenever you use a heaven archery art" and the heaven archery bonus is tied into our ???
- [about danger of moon gala] - we "had a safety net, but a fail would have cost you a week or two recovery time". Fortunately we keep rolling awesomely on those kinds of tests.
- [about getting drunk] - "More on the general qi in the gala than actual drink, but yeah" "Gettin high on moonbeams"
- [about Argent Arts] - "the heaven-earth art IS the set bonus" and we need to master the others
- our EPC breakthrough bonus went into Domain (I think, not 100% if that's what Yrsillar was responding to there)
- Dex cap going up to 8 "was part of your ??? bonus along with the archery thing"
- [on Bai route] - "Some people like walking on glass shards I guess?", "Like honestly I'd probably end up delving into unhealthy relationship dynamics if people really went that far to cling to Meizhen", "Codependancy is bad kids!"
- Travelling musicians "aren't really a thing, at least not as individuals because travel is really dangerous"
- "Ling Qi is 15", and she isn't "really the type to celebrate that kind of thing"
- [on our old pills] "You'll retain acess until the end of the year, when I phase them out for the new system"
- Neither Suyin or Xiulan are attracted to women
- EPC 7 is gated behind appraisal but [about EPC6] "I didn;t say there wouldn;t be a quest " "just not cultivation gated"
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Don't forget:
"CRX's character arc is her having to kill her humanity in order to become the perfect tool Shenhua is raising her to be, and the struggle to retain her own self inherent to that."
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Yeah, I figured it would be best to leave that to you. You wrote a lot of stuff there
It's really interesting too!Yeah, I figured it would be best to leave that to you. You wrote a lot of stuff there
But I'll save my argument on that for when your own is ready
Oh, I don't disagree! I just couldn't think of the best way to summarise it, so I figured I'd leave it to you.It's really interesting too!
But I'll save my argument on that for when your own is ready
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- Malaysia
Yeah, I dislike the pills providing easy qi recovery. Remember that this also devalues techniques that replenish qi. Remember how Sun Liling's trick was such a big deal? Recovering more than half of your qi with a single pill makes it a lot less impressive.
Arkeus
Crazy cat guy
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- France
I have updated the combat specs post with new upgrades (+2 defence with water techs, +1 for heaven archery, +1 to physical stage, +2 to stealth, ability to get to low light when ambushed). If anything is wrong or missing, please poke.
I have not put FSS yet as we are not equipping it.
I have not put FSS yet as we are not equipping it.
But that doesn't really make sense, because:
It's from the New Moon, with a picture of the New Moon on it. Explicitly, and Xin has been playfully trying to have us pick her. So why would it lead to the Dreaming Moon and her art instead?
Don't get me wrong, it's interesting and intriguing, but I have no idea how or why this was the case.
Unless it's just to get Ling Qi drunk, rattle her confusion, and open up the whole Meizhen thing again. Or prove that Xin can share?
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- UK
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- They/Them
Is it actively harmful? Correct me if I'm wrong but I haven't observed any societal pressure to not be heterosexual. Whereas heteronormativity leads lots of people to believe themself to be heterosexual until they realise that they aren't. It really isn't the same thinking as the warden of a gay conversion camp and it's far more offensive to see you even try to equate the two. What kind of strawman scheme are you even arguing against, do you truly believe there's some kind of malicious plot to turn straight people gay?
That said, I'm not too bothered about Ling Qi's sexuality and I'm so happy it has nothing to do with us the voters. If yrs does make Ling Qi homosexual, bisexual, questioning etc I now have more confidence that it won't end up a contrived mess, so I'm happy to just wait and see. As is, I'm just enjoying seeing this topic being handled so maturely in a quest.