Forge of Destiny(Xianxia Quest)

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[x] Plan Breakthrough: Start!
-[x] Use from Inventory: Blood of Father Sky, Milk of Mother Earth, 3RSS, 1YSS
-[x] Purchase and Use : 3RSS, 1YSS, Steady Growth Pill (6 RSS) Sturdy Oak Pill (18 RSS);Total: 37 RSS
--[x] If cultivating spiritual: Flowing River Pills (6RSS), Soaring Spirits Pill (6RSS), Soul Concentrating Elixir (8 RSS); Total: +20 RSS
-[x] Other Purchases: replace the Escape Talisman and anti-scry Talisman we used
-[x] Breakthrough Priorities: Prioritize breaking through Green. In case of failure, wait until we've tried to recover; then continue. In case we can't proceed further towards Green due to either failure or success, start breaking through towards Bronze.
-[x] (MAJOR) Attempt Breakthrough
-[x] (MAJOR) Attempt Breakthrough x2
-[x] (MAJOR) Attempt Breakthrough x3
-[x] (MAJOR) Attempt Breakthrough x4
-[x] Train at the vent with Su Ling
--[x] (MAJOR) Cultivate Spiritual if we fail a Green Breakthrough Roll and lose Spiritual XP; otherwise Cultivate EPC.
--[x] (attached minor) Work to unlock the Puzzle Box
--[x] (attached minor) Work on formations with Li Suyin, with the Vault Warriors mastered, you can delve more deeply into the Pale Manual
-[x] (minor) Cai Renxiang has something important to announce. It seems you will need to attend a council meeting
-[x] (minor) Meizhen is right... the two of you should probably talk, it seems there is still a lot you don't know about each other
-[x] (minor) Zeqing has been quite busy, but you received a message inviting you to meet her... at her home?
No. of Votes: 53

[X] Plan: Last stop before Breakthrough Week 2.0
-[X] Expenses: 3 YSS, 3 RSS, First Level Earth/Water/Fire Pills, (6 RSS), Flowing Rivers Pill (6 RSS), Steady Growth Pill (6 RSS) Sturdy Oak Pill (18 RSS), Bear's Heartsblood Elixir (10 RSS), Bear's Marrow Elixir (4 RSS), Soul Concentrating Elixir (8 RSS), Soaring Charm (300 RSS), Blinding Fate Charm (50 RSS): Total Cost: 441 RSS
-[X] EPC Bonuses: Abyssal Exhalation,
-[X] Major: Attempt Breakthrough (Green)
-[X] Major: Attempt Breakthrough (Green x2, if first fails, do Bronze instead)
-[X] Major: Do a favor for Fu Xiang
--[X] How Many(3), but be willing to stop if the reroll is used too soon.
-[X] Major: Cultivate on your own (Recovery from possible Failed Breakthrough, Else, Argent Current)
--[X] Attached Minor: Zeqing has been quite busy, but you received a message inviting you to meet her... at her home?
-[X] Major: Cultivate on your Own (Recovery from possible Failed Breakthrough, Else, Abyssal Exhalation)
--[X] Attached Minor: Zhengui is up and around again and didn't get to do much on the raid. Go hunting with him
-[X] Minor: Cai Renxiang has something important to announce. It seems you will need to attend a council meeting
-[X] Minor: Meizhen is right... the two of you should probably talk, it seems there is still a lot you don;t know about each other
-[X] Minor: You've learned what you can from simply observing Cai Renxiang. Ask her about the capital and about herself
No. of Votes: 44

Total No. of Voters: 112
 
I'd mind. Feels like an in-narrative description of an Art should be adhered to. We aren't past the point where it can be either, since there's still the level 6 meridian if a metal meridian wouldn't mesh with the Art's development at this juncture. It's the principle of things.
I agree that we should arrive to preserve continuity. That said, if @yrsillar goes back and edits the offending passage, that would be fine by me.
 
Checking tally.
Adhoc vote count started by Kaja Rainbow on Jan 11, 2018 at 10:59 PM, finished with 703 posts and 112 votes.

  • [x] Plan Breakthrough: Start!
    -[x] Use from Inventory: Blood of Father Sky, Milk of Mother Earth, 3RSS, 1YSS
    -[x] Purchase and Use : 3RSS, 1YSS, Steady Growth Pill (6 RSS) Sturdy Oak Pill (18 RSS);Total: 37 RSS
    --[x] If cultivating spiritual: Flowing River Pills (6RSS), Soaring Spirits Pill (6RSS), Soul Concentrating Elixir (8 RSS); Total: +20 RSS
    -[x] Other Purchases: replace the Escape Talisman and anti-scry Talisman we used
    -[x] Breakthrough Priorities: Prioritize breaking through Green. In case of failure, wait until we've tried to recover; then continue. In case we can't proceed further towards Green due to either failure or success, start breaking through towards Bronze.
    -[x] (MAJOR) Attempt Breakthrough
    -[x] (MAJOR) Attempt Breakthrough x2
    -[x] (MAJOR) Attempt Breakthrough x3
    -[x] (MAJOR) Attempt Breakthrough x4
    -[x] Train at the vent with Su Ling
    --[x] (MAJOR) Cultivate Spiritual if we fail a Green Breakthrough Roll and lose Spiritual XP; otherwise Cultivate EPC.
    --[x] (attached minor) Work to unlock the Puzzle Box
    --[x] (attached minor) Work on formations with Li Suyin, with the Vault Warriors mastered, you can delve more deeply into the Pale Manual
    -[x] (minor) Cai Renxiang has something important to announce. It seems you will need to attend a council meeting
    -[x] (minor) Meizhen is right... the two of you should probably talk, it seems there is still a lot you don't know about each other
    -[x] (minor) Zeqing has been quite busy, but you received a message inviting you to meet her... at her home?
    [X] Plan: Last stop before Breakthrough Week 2.0
    -[X] Expenses: 3 YSS, 3 RSS, First Level Earth/Water/Fire Pills, (6 RSS), Flowing Rivers Pill (6 RSS), Steady Growth Pill (6 RSS) Sturdy Oak Pill (18 RSS), Bear's Heartsblood Elixir (10 RSS), Bear's Marrow Elixir (4 RSS), Soul Concentrating Elixir (8 RSS), Soaring Charm (300 RSS), Blinding Fate Charm (50 RSS): Total Cost: 441 RSS
    -[X] EPC Bonuses: Abyssal Exhalation,
    -[X] Major: Attempt Breakthrough (Green)
    -[X] Major: Attempt Breakthrough (Green x2, if first fails, do Bronze instead)
    -[X] Major: Do a favor for Fu Xiang
    --[X] How Many(3), but be willing to stop if the reroll is used too soon.
    -[X] Major: Cultivate on your own (Recovery from possible Failed Breakthrough, Else, Argent Current)
    --[X] Attached Minor: Zeqing has been quite busy, but you received a message inviting you to meet her... at her home?
    -[X] Major: Cultivate on your own (Recovery from possible Failed Breakthrough, Else, Abyssal Exhalation)
    --[X] Attached Minor: Zhengui is up and around again and didn't get to do much on the raid. Go hunting with him
    -[x] (minor) Cai Renxiang has something important to announce. It seems you will need to attend a council meeting
    -[x] (minor) Meizhen is right... the two of you should probably talk, it seems there is still a lot you don't know about each other
    -[X] Minor: You've learned what you can from simply observing Cai Renxiang. Ask her about the capital and about herself
    [X] Plan: Give the dude a chance
    -[X] Expenses: 3 YSS, 3 RSS, First Level Earth/Water/Fire Pills, (6 RSS), Flowing Rivers Pill (6 RSS), Steady Growth Pill (6 RSS) Sturdy Oak Pill (18 RSS), Bear's Heartsblood Elixir (10 RSS), Bear's Marrow Elixir (4 RSS), Soul Concentrating Elixir (8 RSS), Soaring Charm (300 RSS), Blinding Fate Charm (50 RSS): Total Cost: 441 RSS
    -[X] EPC Bonuses: Abyssal Exhalation, Argent Vent Bonus: Argent Current
    -[X] Major: Attempt Breakthrough (Green)
    -[X] Major: Attempt Breakthrough (Bronze)
    -[X] Major: Do a favor for Fu Xiang
    --[X] How Many(3), but be willing to stop if the reroll is used too soon.
    -[X] Major: Cultivate on your own (Recovery from possible Failed Breakthrough, Else, Abyssal Exhalation)
    --[X] Attached Minor: Zeqing has been quite busy, but you received a message inviting you to meet her... at her home?
    -[X] Major: Cull the Black Soil Worm Population
    --[X] Attached Minor: Zhengui is up and around again and didn't get to do much on the raid. Go hunting with him
    -[x] (minor) Cai Renxiang has something important to announce. It seems you will need to attend a council meeting
    -[x] (minor) Meizhen is right... the two of you should probably talk, it seems there is still a lot you don't know about each other
    -[X] Minor: Your feelings regarding Gu Tai are... conflicted, maybe you should speak with him a bit. You know where he is staying.
    [X] Plan Our Friends Will Understand if We're Busy
    -[x] Use from Inventory: Blood of Father Sky, Milk of Mother Earth
    -[x] Purchase and Use if cultivating : 3RSS, 1YSS, Steady Growth Pill (6 RSS) Sturdy Oak Pill (18 RSS). Total: 37 RSS
    -[x] If cultivating spiritual: Flowing River Pills (6RSS), Soaring Spirits Pill (6RSS), Soul Concentrating Elixir (8 RSS). Total: + 20 RSS
    -[x] if cultivating physical: White Hart Elixir (6RSS), Bear's Heartsblood Elixir (10 RSS), Bear's Marrow Elixir (4 RSS). Total: +20 RSS
    -[x] Enter Closed Door Cultivation
    -[x]breakthrough to spiritual until you need to cultivate spiritual a second time, then breakthrough to physical
    -[x]If cultivating either spiritual or physical back up to peak, cultivate at the vent with Su Ling
    --[x] (attached minor) Meizhen is right... the two of you should probably talk, it seems there is still a lot you don;t know about each other
    --[x] (attached minor) Work to unlock the Puzzle Box
    -[x] (minor) Cai Renxiang has something important to announce. It seems you will need to attend a council meeting
    [X] Meizhen is right... the two of you should probably talk, it seems there is still a lot you don't know about each other
    [X] Plan: Last stop before Breakthrough Week
    -[X] Expenses: 2 YSS, 3 RSS, First Level Earth/Water/Fire Pills, (6 RSS), Flowing Rivers Pill (6 RSS), Steady Growth Pill (6 RSS) Sturdy Oak Pill (18 RSS), Bear's Heartsblood Elixir (10 RSS), Bear's Marrow Elixir (4 RSS), Soul Concentrating Elixir (8 RSS), Soaring Charm (300 RSS), Blinding Fate Charm (50 RSS): Total Cost: 431 RSS
    -[X] EPC Bonuses: Abyssal Exhalation, Argent Vent Bonus: Argent Current
    -[X] Major: Attempt Breakthrough (Green)
    -[X] Major: Attempt Breakthrough (Bronze)
    -[X] Major: Train at the Vent with Su Ling (Recovery from possible Failed Breakthrough, Else, Argent Current)
    -[X] Major: Cultivate on your own (Recovery from possible Failed Breakthrough, Else, Abyssal Exhalation)
    --[X] Attached Minor: Zeqing has been quite busy, but you received a message inviting you to meet her... at her home?
    -[X] Major: Cull the Black Soil Worm Population
    --[X] Attached Minor: Zhengui is up and around again and didn't get to do much on the raid. Go hunting with him
    -[x] (minor) Cai Renxiang has something important to announce. It seems you will need to attend a council meeting
    -[x] (minor) Meizhen is right... the two of you should probably talk, it seems there is still a lot you don't know about each other
    -[X] Minor: You've learned what you can from simply observing Cai Renxiang. Ask her about the capital and about herself
    [X] Plan: Friendship takes effort
    -[X] Expenses: 2 YSS, 3 RSS, First Level Earth/Water/Fire Pills, (6 RSS), Flowing Rivers Pill (6 RSS), Steady Growth Pill (6 RSS) Sturdy Oak Pill (18 RSS), Bear's Heartsblood Elixir (10 RSS), Bear's Marrow Elixir (4 RSS), Soul Concentrating Elixir (8 RSS), = 81 RSS
    -[X] EPC Bonuses: Abyssal Exhalation, Argent Vent Bonus: Argent Current
    -[X] Major: Attempt Breakthrough (Green)
    -[X] Major: Attempt Breakthrough (Bronze)
    -[X] Major: Train at the Vent with Su Ling (Recovery from possible Failed Breakthrough, Else, Argent Current)
    -[X] Major: Cultivate on your own (Recovery from possible Failed Breakthrough, Else, Abyssal Exhalation)
    --[X] Attached Minor: Zeqing has been quite busy, but you received a message inviting you to meet her... at her home?
    [X] Major: Attempt to placate the Dragon of the Valley
    --[X] Meizhen has done a lot for you, tell her about the Dragon and the Valley, let her do as she wants with it.
    -[x] (minor) Meizhen is right... the two of you should probably talk, it seems there is still a lot you don't know about each other
    -[X] Cai Renxiang has something important to announce. It seems you will need to attend a council meeting
    -[X] Look in on Su Ling and the Ma Sisters, see how they're getting alone
    [X] Plan Blockade, Barriers, Breakthrough
    -[X] Resources
    --[X] Used: Milk of Mother Earth; Blood of Father Sky; 3 RSS; 1 YSS
    --[X] Bought and Used: 1st level Earth and Fire pills (4 RSS); Gushing Spring Pill (2 RSS); Flowing Rivers Pill (6 RSS); 2nd Level Earth and Fire Pills (12 RSS); Steady Growth Pill (8 RSS); Sturdy Oak Pill (18 RSS)
    --[X] Total: Milk of Mother Earth; Blood of Father Sky; 1 YSS; 53 RSS
    --[X] EPC Successes: Abyssal Exhalation
    -[X] Majors
    --[X] Attempt Breakthrough
    ---[X] Green
    --[X] Cai Renxiang has something important to announce. It seems you will need to attend a council meeting
    --[X] Zeqing has been quite busy, but you received a message inviting you to meet her... at her home?
    --[X] Meizhen is right... the two of you should probably talk, it seems there is still a lot you don't know about each other
    --[X] Explore and Train with Golden Fields
    ---[X] Argent Current
    ---[X] Zhengui is up and around again and didn't get to do much on the raid. Go hunting with him.
    --[X] Cultivate on your own
    ---[X] Abyssal Exhalation
    ---[X] Work to unlock the Puzzle Box
    -[X] Minors
    [X] Plan: The power of Metal compel you
    -[X] Expenses: 3 YSS, 3 RSS, First Level Earth/Water/Fire Pills, (6 RSS), Flowing Rivers Pill (6 RSS), Steady Growth Pill (6 RSS) Sturdy Oak Pill (18 RSS), Bear's Heartsblood Elixir (10 RSS), Bear's Marrow Elixir (4 RSS), Soul Concentrating Elixir (8 RSS), Soaring Charm (300 RSS), Blinding Fate Charm (50 RSS): Total Cost: 441 RSS
    -[X] EPC Bonuses: Abyssal Exhalation, Argent Vent Bonus: Argent Current
    -[X] Major: Do a sect mission
    --[X] Wolves
    -[X] Major: Get a third floor art
    --[X] Musical art that use the metal element
    -[X] Major: Do a favor for Fu Xiang
    --[X] How Many(3), but be willing to stop if the reroll is used too soon.
    -[X] Major: Abyssal Exhalation
    --[X] Attached Minor: Zeqing has been quite busy, but you received a message inviting you to meet her... at her home?
    -[X] Major: Cull the Black Soil Worm Population
    --[X] Attached Minor: Zhengui is up and around again and didn't get to do much on the raid. Go hunting with him
    -[x] (minor) Cai Renxiang has something important to announce. It seems you will need to attend a council meeting
    -[x] (minor) Meizhen is right... the two of you should probably talk, it seems there is still a lot you don't know about each other
    -[X] Minor: You've learned what you can from simply observing Cai Renxiang. Ask her about the capital and about herself
    [x] Plan Breakthrough: Start!
    -[x] Use from Inventory: Blood of Father Sky, Milk of Mother Earth, 3RSS, 1YSS
    -[x] Purchase and Use : 3RSS, 1YSS, Steady Growth Pill (6 RSS) Sturdy Oak Pill (18 RSS), conditional pills listed below (20 RSS either way); Total: 57 RSS
    --[x] If cultivating spiritual: Flowing River Pills (6RSS), Soaring Spirits Pill (6RSS), Soul Concentrating Elixir (8 RSS)
    --[x] if cultivating physical: White Hart Elixir (6RSS), Bear's Heartsblood Elixir (10 RSS), Bear's Marrow Elixir (4 RSS)
    -[x] Other Purchases: replace the Escape Talisman and anti-scry Talisman we used
    -[x] Breakthrough Priorities: Prioritize breaking through Green. In case of failure, wait until we've tried to recover; then continue. In case we can't proceed further towards Green due to either failure or success, start breaking through towards Bronze.
    -[x] (MAJOR) Attempt Breakthrough
    -[x] (MAJOR) Attempt Breakthrough x2
    -[x] (MAJOR) Attempt Breakthrough x3
    -[x] (MAJOR) Attempt Breakthrough x4
    -[x] Train at the vent with Su Ling
    --[x] (MAJOR) Cultivate Spiritual / Physical, as needed to recover if we fail a breakthrough attempt. Cultivate Spiritual if we succeed in all breakthrough attempts.
    --[x] (attached minor) Work to unlock the Puzzle Box
    --[x] (attached minor) Work on formations with Li Suyin, with the Vault Warriors mastered, you can delve more deeply into the Pale Manual
    -[x] (minor) Cai Renxiang has something important to announce. It seems you will need to attend a council meeting
    -[x] (minor) Meizhen is right... the two of you should probably talk, it seems there is still a lot you don't know about each other
    -[x] (minor) Zeqing has been quite busy, but you received a message inviting you to meet her... at her home?
 
[X] Plan: Last stop before Breakthrough Week 2.0

Hits all the minors I want and gets those stupid favors DONE.
 
[X] Plan: Last stop before Breakthrough Week 2.0

Either of the two top outcomes would be okay by me but I think puzzle box and vault warrior formation are the least time sensitive minors. I also strongly prefer a Zhengui minor. I wonder if attaching a cultivate major to a Zhengui minor would be legal.
 
[X] Plan: Last stop before Breakthrough Week 2.0

Either of the two top outcomes would be okay by me but I think puzzle box and vault warrior formation are the least time sensitive minors. I also strongly prefer a Zhengui minor. I wonder if attaching a cultivate major to a Zhengui minor would be legal.

In the context, I'd figure it's legal, as we're going hunting training with him--training an Art or Physical cultivation is fine for that.

Anyway, the way I see it, we're not crushed for time with regards to breaking through this turn, but I'd like to get time sensitive stuff out of the way before we go all in next week. At the very least, I don't see it as being likely for us to ever get the Favors done if we don't do it this week, because if we can't squeeze it in now--with only two potentially trainable Arts compared to the half dozen that'll crop up after we breakthrough, we probably won't.

I mean, I could paranoia fuel about other ways that it could go wrong by waiting until after breakthrough, or dragging it out another half month or more, but it won't really matter. All I can say is that we're probably never going to have a better time to do it than now.
 
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Breakthrough is the time sensitive thing we need to do this week, though. And the favor is an EPC bonus, which is something we want available after Green breakthrough so we can get the bonuses from EPC 5 sooner.
 
Why is it time sensitive though, like, what is going to catch fire if we don't breakthrough this week?
We have a limited number of actions before the tournament. Breaking through now lets us start work on EPC and start putting overflow and our various free successes towards cultivation. It's possible although perhaps not likely that breaking through might even give us an extra action. Given all the arts we want to train, it's imperative we do so quickly, or we won't have the actions we need to be properly prepared for the tournament. It's not worth it spending half a week of actions in prep mode, which delays our likely Green breakthrough a full week, which delays our ability to take advantage of all the bonuses we get from breaking through (or from the fruits thereof - like EPC 5 or the dragon site) a full week.

Knowing how many successes to account for in Early Green arts also lets us plan our cultivation out. The earlier we know that the better.

Basically, we will be far better off if we give ourselves some margin by breaking through this week, and the earlier we break through to Green the larger our margin at the end of this stupid tournament race will be. If we spend our margin in advance like you want to, we'll get crunched where we can least afford it.

So breakthrough is very much time sensitive especially since the major actions you want to take instead are pretty pointless.
 
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I hope everything goes well with this weeks plan. I'm more interested in narrative things like forming a personal relationship with Cai before breakthrough than power gaming/max action efficiency, but I understand that that's what a lot of people are really pushing for in regards to the tournament.

Personally, I feel that holding a major breakthrough push this week is more than off set by the minor focus/narrative flow that Ling Qi is prepping for breakthrough hibernation for the coming week in Alectai's plan. It just feels weird to rush breakthrough with where we are with Meizhen and with several things on the docket narratively for me.

Also, for people saying that there will always be fires to put out in minors, I partially agree, but also posit that this is the only week where we've had a minor locked on us, further limiting our choices. Next week is likely to be less pressing on minors we can let hold off for a week barring another lakegate (snek :cry:).
 
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Oho, there's still people with unspent omake points? Well, then! Not sure where points have gone so far, but there's bound to be a couple that could be pushed to 5 or 6 dots still :p

(I don't think @yrsillar is allowing people to throw points at breakthrough rolls, unfortunately...)​
well, I do have 2 points from the Bai Cui omake. Athletics is 3 points away from 6, if someone has a spare point kicking around that's another maxed skill.

I'd rather light the yrsillar beacon after an actual edit needs to be made, so call this a conditional point buy:

I will send 2 points to athletics if whoever is quoting this post also puts 1 point into athletics.
 
Also, for people saying that there will always be fires to put out in minors, I partially agree, but also posit that this is the only week we've had where we've had a minor locked on us, further limiting our choices. Next week is likely to be less pressing on minors we can let hold off for a week barring another lakegate (snek :cry:).
We have had actions locked before. The prime example is when mom's last letter arrived we were immediately locked into the Cai tutoring action - no input on our part even. Jiao tutoring locked us, although we hardly mind that. Lessons way back at the start of the quest were locked on occasion. But more than that, even if next week is less pressing we're still going to have 3 or 4 that we want to do. Heck, even something as simple as not checking in on Su Ling and the Ma sisters for more than two weeks is probably a bad thing.
 
We have a limited number of actions before the tournament. Breaking through now lets us start work on EPC and start putting overflow and our various free successes towards cultivation. It's possible although perhaps not likely that breaking through might even give us an extra action. Given all the arts we want to train, it's imperative we do so quickly, or we won't have the actions we need to be properly prepared for the tournament. It's not worth it spending half a week of actions in prep mode, which delays our likely Green breakthrough a full week, which delays our ability to take advantage of all the bonuses we get from breaking through (or from the fruits thereof - like EPC 5 or the dragon site) a full week.

Knowing how many successes to account for in Early Green arts also lets us plan our cultivation out. The earlier we know that the better.

Basically, we will be far better off if we give ourselves some margin by breaking through this week, and the earlier we break through to Green the larger our margin at the end of this stupid tournament race will be. If we spend our margin in advance like you want to, we'll get crunched where we can least afford it.

So breakthrough is very much time sensitive especially since the major actions you want to take instead are pretty pointless.
So you want to ignore the favor we owe Fu Xiang?
 
The most pressing cultivation is EPC. If that's happening, then other Arts can get pushed around. Especially in light of the fact that the favor for Fu Xiang gives around the same number of successes to EPC as a full standard cultivation action does with our current dice. The favor is more attractive after breakthrough, not less.
 
Jack
well, I do have 2 points from the Bai Cui omake. Athletics is 3 points away from 6, if someone has a spare point kicking around that's another maxed skill.

I'd rather light the yrsillar beacon after an actual edit needs to be made, so call this a conditional point buy:

I will send 2 points to athletics if whoever is quoting this post also puts 1 point into athletics.
@jacobk and I already agreed to do this. That said if you're interested we're either 1 or 2 points away from upgrading ossuary scout (not sure how the points distribution went with mine and jacobk's agreement).

I think upgrading it could be useful if we're going to be Cai's intrigue girl and generally in stealth actions. Plus it's cool. But they're your points.
 
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