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So, a thought occurred to me. Cai Renxiang wants to hear our answer when we break through to Green. We want to learn a bit more about her before giving her an answer. We also want to start breaking through to the Third Realm this week. We don't have the actions to do those last two things simultaneously.

So instead, why not make sure we look our best when we meet Cai next week before breaking through to Green?

[x] Plan Spa Treatment
-[x] Use from Inventory: 3RSS, 1YSS
-[x] Purchase and Use : 3RSS, 1YSS, Steady Growth Pill (6 RSS) Sturdy Oak Pill (18 RSS), conditional pills listed below (20 RSS either way); Total: 57 RSS
--[x] If cultivating spiritual: Flowing River Pills (6RSS), Soaring Spirits Pill (6RSS), Soul Concentrating Elixir (8 RSS)
--[x] if cultivating physical: White Hart Elixir (6RSS), Bear's Heartsblood Elixir (10 RSS), Bear's Marrow Elixir (4 RSS)
-[x] Other Purchases: replace the Escape Talisman and anti-scry Talisman we used
-[x] Breakthrough Priorities: Prioritize breaking through to Bronze. In case of failure, wait until we've tried to recover; then continue. In case we can't proceed further towards Bronze due to either failure or success, start breaking through towards Green.
-[x] (MAJOR) Attempt Breakthrough
-[x] (MAJOR) Attempt Breakthrough x2
-[x] (MAJOR) Attempt Breakthrough x3
-[x] (MAJOR) Attempt Breakthrough x4
-[x] Train at the vent with Su Ling
--[x] (MAJOR) Cultivate Spiritual / Physical, as needed to recover if we fail a breakthrough attempt. Cultivate Physical if we succeed in all breakthrough attempts.
--[x] (attached minor) Work to unlock the Puzzle Box
--[x] (attached minor) Work on formations with Li Suyin, with the Vault Warriors mastered, you can delve more deeply into the Pale Manual
-[x] (minor) Cai Renxiang has something important to announce. It seems you will need to attend a council meeting
-[x] (minor) Meizhen is right... the two of you should probably talk, it seems there is still a lot you don't know about each other
-[x] (minor) Zeqing has been quite busy, but you received a message inviting you to meet her... at her home?
 
A modest chance of wastage (And if that chance doesn't come up, then we're perfectly efficient) means taking a definite drop in efficiency? All so that we can get our breakthrough done one week sooner?

You'll have to forgive me if I disagree with this. Especially as it dumps Zhengui (Again, the boy's been sleeping for a month, putting him away for two more weeks now that he's up and raring to go seems like a dick move, since he's still young).
 
Dieb said:
Wow, I love it! Can't wait for more installments!


It's not "bad luck protection", it's outright crazy. We're at 41/100 on AE (after Yrsillar adds the 5 other bonus successes from last week). In your plan, by doing the favor we're pretty much certain to get another 30 bonus success from stealth/larceny checks, so now we're at an effective 71/100 before we roll. One roll should be enough to get that; if we don't, we'll be amazingly close. So the second AE roll (and there's a roughly 30% chance there WILL be a second AE roll) will not only be at HALF dice, but almost all (if not all) of the successes will go towards Qi. It's just incredibly inefficient.
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As I pointed out, that addition was made because several people screamed that it was a bad plan because it didn't allow for bad luck protection. Should I change it to Argent Current then or something?
 
SynchronizedWritersBlock said:
Many people just don't want to delay by taking two AE actions and the favor. It's a disagreement in principle.
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If we're going to use the drugs, it's best to use them with a full 6 (maybe 5) actions devoted to breakthrough though, which is my main reason for not voting for Primal's plan. Plus I want to do the Favor option now and I prefer Alectai's minors, but they're less important for me.
Alectai said:
Did you even read it? Or are you just attacking me on principle? I just pointed out that "It only becomes a double AE if we succeed both times, and in exchange for doing a slightly suboptimal choice, we get a bonus art level?"

And if we succeed both times, we're ahead enough that we have a virtually guaranteed chance to double breakthrough next week when we go all in with my schedule.

Otherwise? Those two AE checks are bad luck protection. We only train AE if we don't need to cultivate Spiritual or Physical back up to Peak.
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One possible downside of getting AE this week is that we would then be unable to equip it, as we lack the necessary meridians to have both AE3 and FVM. Might be a problem if we end up in a fight next week (as unlikely as that is to happen considering Sun's surrender).
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Alectai said:
As I pointed out, that addition was made because several people screamed that it was a bad plan because it didn't allow for bad luck protection. Should I change it to Argent Current then or something?
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I personally wouldn't mind if you changed one of the conditionals to AC.
 
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Look, next week--of all times--is not something we should expect to get in a life or death thunderdome. Not after Liling surrendered and Renshu just got a one-two punch and should be trying to lie low to recover.
 
Humbaba said:
I'm starting to develop a (irrational) dislike of Breakthrough Start because I'd really like to breakthrough green and bronze in the same week and breakthrough start will almost certainly prevent that, wheras 2.0 has a good chance of getting us a 2/3 of the way to one and getting a double breakthrough next week.

You know what I'm going to vote for it. If Cai had waited a damn week and not stole our action we'd have been fine with going six action breakthrough this week and doing Zequing with our 1 minor and given the push I'm going to say we'd be fine doing the full 6 action breakthrough with all the meds next week.

@Alectai I'd prefer to switch one minor (Zhengui?) to the puzzlebox and I'm not that sold on the double cultivation but I'll vote for it.

[X] Plan: Last stop before Breakthrough Week 2.0
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Why is breaking through green and bronze the same week a good thing? I'd much rather break through Green this week and Bronze next week - the earlier we get green the better.

The Sandman said:
So, a thought occurred to me. Cai Renxiang wants to hear our answer when we break through to Green. We want to learn a bit more about her before giving her an answer. We also want to start breaking through to the Third Realm this week. We don't have the actions to do those last two things simultaneously.

So instead, why not make sure we look our best when we meet Cai next week before breaking through to Green?

[x] Plan Spa Treatment
-[x] Use from Inventory: 3RSS, 1YSS
-[x] Purchase and Use : 3RSS, 1YSS, Steady Growth Pill (6 RSS) Sturdy Oak Pill (18 RSS), conditional pills listed below (20 RSS either way); Total: 57 RSS
--[x] If cultivating spiritual: Flowing River Pills (6RSS), Soaring Spirits Pill (6RSS), Soul Concentrating Elixir (8 RSS)
--[x] if cultivating physical: White Hart Elixir (6RSS), Bear's Heartsblood Elixir (10 RSS), Bear's Marrow Elixir (4 RSS)
-[x] Other Purchases: replace the Escape Talisman and anti-scry Talisman we used
-[x] Breakthrough Priorities: Prioritize breaking through to Bronze. In case of failure, wait until we've tried to recover; then continue. In case we can't proceed further towards Bronze due to either failure or success, start breaking through towards Green.
-[x] (MAJOR) Attempt Breakthrough
-[x] (MAJOR) Attempt Breakthrough x2
-[x] (MAJOR) Attempt Breakthrough x3
-[x] (MAJOR) Attempt Breakthrough x4
-[x] Train at the vent with Su Ling
--[x] (MAJOR) Cultivate Spiritual / Physical, as needed to recover if we fail a breakthrough attempt. Cultivate Physical if we succeed in all breakthrough attempts.
--[x] (attached minor) Work to unlock the Puzzle Box
--[x] (attached minor) Work on formations with Li Suyin, with the Vault Warriors mastered, you can delve more deeply into the Pale Manual
-[x] (minor) Cai Renxiang has something important to announce. It seems you will need to attend a council meeting
-[x] (minor) Meizhen is right... the two of you should probably talk, it seems there is still a lot you don't know about each other
-[x] (minor) Zeqing has been quite busy, but you received a message inviting you to meet her... at her home?
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She doesn't care about Green, she cares about THIRD REALM, ie either Green or Bronze (or possibly both). So yea, sorry, this doesn't help your objection.

Alectai said:
A modest chance of wastage (And if that chance doesn't come up, then we're perfectly efficient) means taking a definite drop in efficiency? All so that we can get our breakthrough done one week sooner?

You'll have to forgive me if I disagree with this. Especially as it dumps Zhengui (Again, the boy's been sleeping for a month, putting him away for two more weeks now that he's up and raring to go seems like a dick move, since he's still young).
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We won't abandon him for two weeks? Why wouldn't we take his minor next week? With Primal's plan we'll almost certainly be done breaking through to Green and thus we'll have plenty of minors to go around.
 
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Alectai said:
Did you even read it? Or are you just attacking me on principle? I just pointed out that "It only becomes a double AE if we succeed both times, and in exchange for doing a slightly suboptimal choice, we get a bonus art level?"

And if we succeed both times, we're ahead enough that we have a virtually guaranteed chance to double breakthrough next week when we go all in with my schedule.

Otherwise? Those two AE checks are bad luck protection. We only train AE if we don't need to cultivate Spiritual or Physical back up to Peak.
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I don't particularly care about the conditionals. We should be doing 4+ breakthrough actions this week. It's a waste to cultivate any arts. It's also a waste of time to try to prep for next week with major actions - that's what we did last week. We're as ready as we get to break through and spending an entire week of 5 majors on dithering to do more setup is bad and doesn't get us anywhere.

Don't take this as a suggestion, because it isn't. I'm just saying that the core idea of your plan is simply a bad one.
 
We didn't prepare last week with major actions though. I mean, that was the idea--and then it was botched up by doing stuff like opening up the Dragon storyline in a time we were already going to be action starved.
 
Alectai said:
As I pointed out, that addition was made because several people screamed that it was a bad plan because it didn't allow for bad luck protection. Should I change it to Argent Current then or something?
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Well look, I'm strongly in favor of as many breakthrough attempts this week as possible. So I'm not going to vote for your plan anyway. But I would be SIGNIFICANTLY more pleased with it if you switched the second contingency to AC. While that won't get me to vote for your plan, I'm less likely to argue against it vehemently for whatever that's worth.
 
Fair enough. I'll take what advantages I can get. Consider it done.

Look, I'm willing to be flexible here. I just feel that a four action breakthrough is rushing too much to get some extra power as soon as possible.
 
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Karnax626 said:
If we're going to use the drugs, it's best to use them with a full 6 (maybe 5) actions devoted to breakthrough though, which is my main reason for not voting for Primal's plan. Plus I want to do the Favor option now and I prefer Alectai's minors, but they're less important for me.

One possible downside of getting AE this week is that we would then be unable to equip it, as we lack the necessary meridians to have both AE3 and FVM. Might be a problem if we end up in a fight next week (as unlikely as that is to happen considering Sun's surrender).
EDIT:I personally wouldn't mind if you changed one of the conditionals to AC.
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PS plan has 5 breakthrough actions.

Some people just try to pretend it doesn't.
 
Alectai said:
Fair enough. I'll take what advantages I can get. Consider it done.

Look, I'm willing to be flexible here. I just feel that a four action breakthrough is rushing too much to get some extra power as soon as possible.
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Thanks Alectai. I appreciate it.

Arkeus said:
PS plan has 5 breakthrough actions.

Some people just try to pretend it doesn't.
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It's not QUITE the same as 5 breakthrough actions. It's the same as 5 breakthrough actions IF we fail two breakthrough rolls (counting the reroll, ie we use the reroll and also fail another roll). If we only fail one or none it's only 4 breakthrough actions - but of course in that case we've broken through to Green and have one success towards Bronze, AND have made one spiritual roll towards Green Appraisal, so I doubt anyone will be unhappy with that result :p
 
I will be clear in saying that I dislike the tendency to assume our social links are all codependent headcases. That is all. Also, I am happy as I can get with Cai, and I sincerely doubt braiding our hair together this turn will make a damn bit of difference in how I view her.
 
1986ctcel said:
Whoop dee doo, we aren't on a time limit and there's nothing urgent conflictwise that we need Green/Bronze for next week.
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Its a bit more than that. The Last stop plan DOES set us back in a number of ways. In particular:
  • We are liable to do AE cultivation this week, which means the Spiritual from the Black Pool is wasted.
  • We are doing a mission that is far below our level to get Zhengui some exercise. If we had broken through, we could have him come along on the Golden Field hunts and cultivate at the same time.
  • We don't get to apply the Grinning Moon bonus to EPC, which is by far the most effective way to use it (since cultivation arts are a lot harder to train than anything else).
Mind you, none of these are necessarily dealbreakers, but they are setbacks.
 
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