Forge of Destiny(Xianxia Quest)

It's not even abuse though, she never said "Don't entertain any offers but mine" after all. Just that "I'd like an answer after you break through and are officially considered to be a legal adult and entry level noble." It's only a short time period because we're a freak of nature.
 
Breakthrough
-[] Green
[] Attempt Breakthrough
-[] Green
[] Attempt Breakthrough
-[] Green
[] Explore and Train with Golden Fields
-[] Argent Current
-[] Zhengui is up and around again and didn't get to do much on the raid. Go hunting with him.
[] Cultivate on your own
-[] Abyssal Exhalation
-[] Work to unlock the Puzzle Box
[/] Cai Renxiang has something important to announce. It seems you will need to attend a council meeting
[] Zeqing has been quite busy, but you received a message inviting you to meet her... at her home?
[] Meizhen is right... the two of you should probably talk, it seems there is still a lot you don't know about each other
Sounds great.
[X] Thor's Twin
 
No Meizhen training option, @yrsillar?

Not this week

Hmm

@yrsillar

Are our safecracking tools going to be ready this week?

Forgot about those. I'll add them in the morning.

@yrsillar Our new pills will be automatically identified ?
Ditto

@yrsillar - I think you might have missed the bonus from the Argent Vent? We should be getting +5 to AC per week.

Also this

@yrsillar

It may be a bit cheap, but could we attach these actions together?
[] Attempt to placate the Dragon of the Valley
-[] Meizhen is right... the two of you should probably talk, it seems there is still a lot you don;t know about each other


I assume telling her about the valley would certainly be a valid attachment.
Yes, this would be fine

@yrsillar

Separate question, do we know Cai Renxiang well enough that we might spar with her, so we could attach her social action to one of our cultivation actions?
No.

oh my god meizhen

u wrote home saying how you needed some shit to put Sun Liling in her place didn't u

meizhen. that was a dumb. u know that, right? even if you ordered waaaaay back the first time we learned she had a castle and u decided u needed to get ready to crash it

someone's going to learn you did that mark my words.

at this rate voters are going to have trouble being nice to people everyone we nice at goes a little crazy

In fairness, it's not exactly cutting edge mil tech, she even said herself its an antiquiated tool, though yeah, kinda beyond anyone who is rocking at least count level resources.

@PrimalShadow I'm not sure your plan is legal. Both because I don't think we can attach two minors to the same action and because Li Suyin is no longer mentioned in the vent training action. Have you cleared it with @yrsillar ?

I will allow that, though it'll probably result in less attention to each indivudal scene, depends on how they mesh I suppose

That was explicitly refuted by Yrsillar. This isn't an infinite treadmill where you start in the shittiest and weakest environment where the strongest possible expert is a joke of a speedbump to the next level up, and the best of the best there barely qualifies as a mook in the neighbouring environment, ad infinitum until endgame.

The Empire is a big deal--there's stuff beyond the Empire, but it's not "The empire is your starting position, and thus is the shittiest and most boring place."

By all indications, in this setting, it took a small miracle to rise beyond the hunter-gatherer level, where small tribes of humans lived at the sufferance of the spirits that ruled their environments, in the form of a complete freak of nature rising who singlehandedly managed to bind several of those hunter-gatherer tribes together into a cohesive unit that could allow for civilization as we could recognize it to appear.

Yes, definitely this. You can ascend, but that's beyond the scope of the quest. The infinite treadmill is probably the thing I like least about Xianxia. Explore your worlds and cultures more instead of just jumping to a new one every hundred chapters dammit.

On that note, gonna do the worldbuilding interlude next. I hope you don't mind, but I'm just going to select the 'Rise of the Sage Emperor' option. Reading journey to the west made me want to try my hand at that kinda mythic epic kinda thing.
 
Ooooh.

If our safecracking tools are going to be ready, I'd be all for doing a job where we finish Fu Xiang's favor before breaking through.

Resolve our Yellow tier questlines before breaking through you know.
 
You mean like asking a 14 year old girl to get married? Cai making us the offer now does nothing but give us more freedom than if she hadn't made the offer. We have an extra choice we wouldn't have had otherwise. It's the same for the Gu.

Th offer is nothing but good. What isn't so good is the fact that we're forced to answer her as soon as we breakthrough. Granted, Cai could be understanding if we wanted to do some service on our own before we go making commitments like that, but we don't know if that's an option.
 
You mean like asking a 14 year old girl to get married? Cai making us the offer now does nothing but give us more freedom than if she hadn't made the offer. We have an extra choice we wouldn't have had otherwise. It's the same for the Gu.
"I am afraid it would be at least two years, more likely three, before any such things were finalized however.
They are pressing her significantly less. Green is adulthood for nobles (Bai Meizhen's hair). With two or three years within that realm, Ling Qi will be significantly more able to judge.
 
Th offer is nothing but good. What isn't so good is the fact that we're forced to answer her as soon as we breakthrough. Granted, Cai could be understanding if we wanted to do some service on our own before we go making commitments like that, but we don't know if that's an option.
Well, are we any worse off than if she had never made the offer? Gu Tai isn't going to wait around forever either, that doesn't make his offer a trap.
 
Ooooh.

If our safecracking tools are going to be ready, I'd be all for doing a job where we finish Fu Xiang's favor before breaking through.

Resolve our Yellow tier questlines before breaking through you know.

If you can attach a minor to it, that'd probably be even better than a water/darkness cultivation action with the pool - 25 successes instead of a quarter of a dicepool's worth.
 
So, we're getting our safecracking tools, and I still would like to clear that before we breakthrough to minimize the chances of complications (And with Yan Renshu impoverished, we have a very small window of opportunity to do this kind of thing and not necessarily be the prime suspect). What option do you guys think I can drop for major actions to make room for it?

Because that's the hard part here. The most 'Affordable' one is the Argent Vent, but that's purely because it's neither breakthrough nor has a minor attached to it.

I can either dump one of the Breakthroughs, or the Argent Vent. Thoughts?
 
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To be honest, she's the best offer we're liable to get, and her being aggressive about it is a sign of just how much she wants it--because she knows she'll have lots of competition--and as we were told by Yrsillar a while back, this is the closest she can come to "Let's be friends!"

And so far, by all indications, CRX is legitimately on the level, she honestly believes in what she says she does, and it's not just some clever ruse to trick us. You could do a hell of a lot worse.

I think Cai is, at most, the materially best offer. I don't take aggressiveness in pursuit as a positive, because it means that you're worried you can't match up. If you need to take advantage of someone's ignorance for them to accept your offer then it just makes you look predatory and weak.
I'll be honest I somewhat agree with tricholysis, but I think it's also a problem endemic to the Empire's culture.

I mean if we really look at the Gu's offer it's still sprinting to grab up a new cultivator virtually as soon as possible. Including literally binding them to your house (and a branch house), it just has a much more comfortable timeperiod for finalising the contract. And that may be partly down to Xiulan knowing us better and advising her house not to start come on too strong (which Tai partly screwed by running in while Xiulan was trying to prep Ling Qi for the offer she was going to get).

I think this is linked to an endemic problem that cultivators and nobles have where someone is either for them or against them, with a very small window of 'unaligned potential resource'.

Uncomfortable as it is, snapping up really talented commoners, whilst obviously mostly benificial to their patron/new house etc can also be a boon for the commoner. As we were reminded this very update, the nobilities attitude toward talented commoners is often that of naked bandits, torture and murder included. Snapping up the talented ones early also means that talent is likely to hang around long enough to get close to their potential.
 
Alright. In the interest of simplicity, I'm going to propose a breakthrough plan. Which doesn't sacrifice minors, because we need the minors.

[x] Plan Breakthrough: Start!
-[x] Use from Inventory: Blood of Father Sky, Milk of Mother Earth, 3RSS, 1YSS
-[x] Purchase and Use: Steady Growth Pill + Sturdy Oak Pill + Bear Marrow Elixir + Soul Concentrating Elixir (38RSS)
-[x] Other Purchases: replace the Escape Talisman and anti-scry Talisman we used
-[x] Breakthrough Priorities: Prioritize breaking through Green. In case of failure, wait until we've tried to recover; then continue. In case we can't proceed further towards Green due to either failure or success, start breaking through towards Bronze.
-[x] (MAJOR) Attempt Breakthrough
-[x] (MAJOR) Attempt Breakthrough x2
-[x] (MAJOR) Attempt Breakthrough x3
-[x] (MAJOR) Attempt Breakthrough x4
-[x] Train at the vent with Su Ling
--[x] (MAJOR) Cultivate Spiritual / Physical, as needed to recover if we fail a breakthrough attempt. Cultivate Spiritual if we succeed in all breakthrough attempts.
--[x] (attached minor) Work to unlock the Puzzle Box
--[x] (attached minor) Work on formations with Li Suyin, with the Vault Warriors mastered, you can delve more deeply into the Pale Manual
-[x] (minor) Cai Renxiang has something important to announce. It seems you will need to attend a council meeting
-[x] (minor) Meizhen is right... the two of you should probably talk, it seems there is still a lot you don't know about each other
-[x] (minor) Zeqing has been quite busy, but you received a message inviting you to meet her... at her home?

Would it be possible to replace Li suyin minor with Zhengui?

[x] Plan Breakthrough: Start!
 
So, we're getting our safecracking tools, and I still would like to clear that before we breakthrough. What option do you guys think I can drop for major actions to make room for it?

Well, the AC cultivation one would be simple enough. The Cull Worms job is also possible, but you'd have to switch out the Zhengui minor for either the Puzzle Box (that's about the only one that might be able to be attached) or the Su Ling + Ma sisters one and attach that to the AC cultivation action.
 
Yeah, I think I'm going to have to dump the Argent Vent. That being said, I'm almost certain it won't be a big deal this time, because we're basically capped on everything for once.

[X] Plan: Last stop before Breakthrough Week 2.0
-[X] Expenses: 3 YSS, 3 RSS, First Level Earth/Water/Fire Pills, (6 RSS), Flowing Rivers Pill (6 RSS), Steady Growth Pill (6 RSS) Sturdy Oak Pill (18 RSS), Bear's Heartsblood Elixir (10 RSS), Bear's Marrow Elixir (4 RSS), Soul Concentrating Elixir (8 RSS), Soaring Charm (300 RSS), Blinding Fate Charm (50 RSS): Total Cost: 441 RSS

-[X] EPC Bonuses: Abyssal Exhalation,
-[X] Major: Attempt Breakthrough (Green)
-[X] Major: Attempt Breakthrough (Green x2, if first fails, do Bronze instead)
-[X] Major: Do a favor for Fu Xiang
--[X] How Many(3), but be willing to stop if the reroll is used too soon.

-[X] Major: Cultivate on your own (Recovery from possible Failed Breakthrough, Else, Argent Current)
--[X] Attached Minor: Zeqing has been quite busy, but you received a message inviting you to meet her... at her home?
-[X] Major: Cultivate on your Own (Recovery from possible Failed Breakthrough, Else, Abyssal Exhalation)
--[X] Attached Minor: Zhengui is up and around again and didn't get to do much on the raid. Go hunting with him
-[X] Minor: Cai Renxiang has something important to announce. It seems you will need to attend a council meeting
-[X] Minor: Meizhen is right... the two of you should probably talk, it seems there is still a lot you don;t know about each other
-[X] Minor: You've learned what you can from simply observing Cai Renxiang. Ask her about the capital and about herself
 
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While I appreciate the vote of confidence, I haven't officially made that my plan yet, and I am concerned enough about Yan Renshu that I am considering switching one of the training actions to go look for him.

Would still attach the Zhengui hunting minor though, as we could go hunting in the area we are searching for him, looking for clues and stuff and clearing out the spirit beasts in the area.

Anyway, I do have some concerns about the leading plans.

@PrimalShadow I believe you should specify which aspect you are trying to breakthrough with the actions, either spiritual or physical. That way you will have a clear purpose for the catch-up action in being either physical or spiritual.

@Alectai Apologies if I am wrong, but I believe Plan "Last Stop Before Breakthrough" is yours. I'm not sure if you intended this, but can you explain your reasoning behind the actions you choose and the number of them. Because if I'm reading this right that plan has a 46% chance to not move us towards breakthrough goals, which would not allow us to work on arts based on the formatting, and thus has an almost 50% chance to only gain us sect points and do minors.

Edit: Well, you've edited the plan, so I'm going to have to look at it again.
 
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Look: read the thread immediately after Cai makes her offer. People consider it. Some want 'a Cai action a week'.

Why can't Gu Tai get the same chance to make his offer more appealing, show that he's 'on the level', etc.? I've asked this question a billion times and the answer is usually 'Cai was first'. So now Ling Qi hasn't even taken a single action towards exploring her options past Cai, just because Cai is more aggressive with a shorter time window. Not even thinking about getting a deferment from Cai until the end of the year, because people want green stones now or whatever. Is that an attitude that fits Ling Qi? Taking the first option and assuming that it's the best, instead of even trying to learn if it actually is the best?

Cai gets an action a week. Gu doesn't even get a single action.
 
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