Forge of Destiny(Xianxia Quest)

-[x] Train at the vent with Su Ling
--[x] (MAJOR) Cultivate Spiritual / Physical, as needed to recover if we fail a breakthrough attempt. Cultivate Spiritual if we succeed in all breakthrough attempts.
--[x] (attached minor) Work to unlock the Puzzle Box
--[x] (attached minor) Work on formations with Li Suyin, with the Vault Warriors mastered, you can delve more deeply into the Pale Manual

I would suggest changing this to be conditional. We try for 5 breakthrough, and do this IF we fail and need a recovery action. It's not like these minors are super urgent.

Also I'd argue that Cai social is more important to do now before we become her minion in order to help establish our relationship. Meizhen can wait (sigh, this will never get any traction).

Err, what are the chances we don't gather enough peak successes this week and thus the Blood and Milk get wasted cause we never reach the actual breakthrough roll?
Zero because we're at Peak/Peak.
 
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Err, what are the chances we don't gather enough peak successes this week and thus the Blood and Milk get wasted cause we never reach the actual breakthrough roll?
Each attempt is a breakthrough roll. We don't get one final roll at the end once we actually break through to determine how well we did.


@PrimalShadow I'm not sure your plan is legal. Both because I don't think we can attach two minors to the same action and because Li Suyin is no longer mentioned in the vent training action. Have you cleared it with @yrsillar ?
We've DEFINITELY attached Li Suyin minors to the vent before, even after she stopped being listed under the Vent action.

I'd happily run it by @yrsillar, though I haven't seen him around yet. @yrsillar?
 
[X] Plan Our Friends Will Understand if We're Busy
-[x] Use from Inventory: Blood of Father Sky, Milk of Mother Earth
-[x] Purchase and Use if cultivating : 3RSS, 1YSS, Steady Growth Pill (6 RSS) Sturdy Oak Pill (18 RSS). Total: 37 RSS
-[x] If cultivating spiritual: Flowing River Pills (6RSS), Soaring Spirits Pill (6RSS), Soul Concentrating Elixir (8 RSS). Total: + 20 RSS
-[x] if cultivating physical: White Hart Elixir (6RSS), Bear's Heartsblood Elixir (10 RSS), Bear's Marrow Elixir (4 RSS). Total: +20 RSS
-[x] Enter Closed Door Cultivation
-[x]breakthrough to spiritual until you need to cultivate spiritual a second time, then breakthrough to physical
-[x]If cultivating either spiritual or physical back up to peak, cultivate at the vent with Su Ling
--[x] (attached minor) Meizhen is right... the two of you should probably talk, it seems there is still a lot you don;t know about each other
--[x] (attached minor) Work to unlock the Puzzle Box
-[x] (minor) Cai Renxiang has something important to announce. It seems youwill need to attend a council meeting
 
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[X] Meizhen is right... the two of you should probably talk, it seems there is still a lot you don't know about each other
 
I favor this. IF we can't go 6 action this week, then we can at least keep the update length down by doing 5 actions and keeping the minors down to 3.

Mmmm.. I'm reluctant for five. There's just too many minors that I think are reasonably to critically important to do ASAP. Meeting, a Meizhen minor and Zeqing... well, it's not horrible disaster (puzzle box is unlikely to be useful pre-breakthrough; a breakthrough pill would be... actually, not TOO unusual, as Ling Qi's gotten pills from the moon before... hmm. Unlocking Argent Storm doesn't matter until there's action to cultivate it with. Cai social minor might be able to wait; not sure if Renxiang wants an answer right after breakthrough or is willing to wait a couple more weeks with socials first. Zhengui is restless, but I think he can understand "Big Sister needs to hibernate herself". And so on).

Still, I'd like Ling Qi to shovel through as many minors as possible this week, because next week will inevitably have more (or would make existing ones more difficult or more emotionally stressing).

Guys, given how much we screwed over Yan Renshu this week we need to go after him before the trail gets even colder than it already is.

I reccomend we spend one of our non-breakthrough majors on tracking him down and attach Meizhen's minor to that, given she's almost certainly equally anxious to hunt him down.

I suspect that if the duo stopped hunting here, he's unlikely to do anything to make the trail heat up or provoke them to start hunting him again. He's had it demonstrated that he has two foes, each of which is capable of hunting him down.

if you use attempts on this week, then it isn't a double breakthrough anymore, it's a two weeks breakthrough.
Which logically is worse than single week Green Breakthrough this week and single week Bronze Breakthrough next week.

Ummm... no? "Double breakthrough" means getting both Spirit and Physique advanced in the same week. It's opposed to a single breakthrough, in which Ling Qi, at the end, splits the realms.

And why would it be "logically" worse than two single breakthroughs on concurrent weeks? Unless you're referring to "have a week with one aspect in third realm" - which, while technically a benefit, is a relatively minor one.

And the argument is actually "I'd like to get a success up to make a double breakthrough next week more possible" vs. "I'd like to spend this week whole-heartedly attempting to break through". It's about things they want to get accomplished this week (either because it's this week, or to squeeze in a bit more before breakthrough).
 
Alright. In the interest of simplicity, I'm going to propose a breakthrough plan. Which doesn't sacrifice minors, because we need the minors.

[x] Plan Breakthrough: Start!
-[x] Use from Inventory: Blood of Father Sky, Milk of Mother Earth, 3RSS, 1YSS
-[x] Purchase and Use: Steady Growth Pill + Sturdy Oak Pill + Bear Marrow Elixir + Soul Concentrating Elixir (38RSS)
-[x] Breakthrough Priorities: Prioritize breaking through Green. In case of failure, wait until we've tried to recover; then continue. In case we can't proceed further towards Green due to either failure or success, start breaking through towards Bronze.
-[x] (MAJOR) Attempt Breakthrough
-[x] (MAJOR) Attempt Breakthrough x2
-[x] (MAJOR) Attempt Breakthrough x3
-[x] (MAJOR) Attempt Breakthrough x4
-[x] Train at the vent with Su Ling
--[x] (MAJOR) Cultivate Spiritual / Physical, as needed to recover if we fail a breakthrough attempt. Cultivate Spiritual if we succeed in all breakthrough attempts.
--[x] (attached minor) Work to unlock the Puzzle Box
--[x] (attached minor) Work on formations with Li Suyin, with the Vault Warriors mastered, you can delve more deeply into the Pale Manual
-[x] (minor) Cai Renxiang has something important to announce. It seems you will need to attend a council meeting
-[x] (minor) Meizhen is right... the two of you should probably talk, it seems there is still a lot you don't know about each other
-[x] (minor) Zeqing has been quite busy, but you received a message inviting you to meet her... at her home?
1 Recovery action is potentially not enough for 4 failed breakthrough actions. Right? 1 recovery can proc 3 breakthrough actions at max if they all fail.

Edit: nvm, I missed that you're using the breakthrough pills.
 
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Hmmm... These minors seem super important. Doing a double breakthrough is probably not the best thing we can do. It is certainly an option though.

I feel like the minors will make or break the plans that are produced this week. It's always the minor's isn't it?

Anyway, a theoretical plan is in the works.

[] Attempt Breakthrough
-[] Green
[] Attempt Breakthrough
-[] Green
[] Attempt Breakthrough
-[] Green
[] Explore and Train with Golden Fields
-[] Argent Current
-[] Zhengui is up and around again and didn't get to do much on the raid. Go hunting with him.
[] Cultivate on your own
-[] Abyssal Exhalation
-[] Work to unlock the Puzzle Box
[/] Cai Renxiang has something important to announce. It seems you will need to attend a council meeting
[] Zeqing has been quite busy, but you received a message inviting you to meet her... at her home?
[] Meizhen is right... the two of you should probably talk, it seems there is still a lot you don't know about each other

The goal of this plan is fairly straightforward. Get the minors we want done with and out of the way. Of these, I consider the Meizhen action and the Cai action of extreme importance. I'm hoping to tell Meizhen about the site next week regardless of how our conversation goes, I just feel that it would be better to get the hard conversation out of the way and then move on to sharing the sweet site we found, rather than the reverse.

The Green breakthrough attempts are so that we can finally breakthrough to green, which is what we want the most. I'm planning on using the super pill "Milk of Mother Earth" to possibly get an effective four rolls for the breakthrough. It won't be the highest number of possible actions that the pill could be used in, but it will help us by increasing our chances of getting to Green this week.

I choose to cultivate arts, and these specific arts, for a couple of reasons. First, they are the only arts we can really cultivate right now. Second, each of these arts can pull our successes in spiritual up from 2 bad breakthrough rolls, meaning that it will be easier to breakthrough next week. Also, if we do breakthrough, it will help us get started on moving to appraisal.

Finally, I choose the puzzle box as I believe there are rewards inside that will be helpful to us and the sooner we open it the more information we have. I also choose Zeqing as I feel that this would be a good chance to catch up to her and learn more about her. And lastly, I choose Zhengui so that we can start working on training him up to be a devastating force to be reckoned with.
 
I'd disagree


I'd disagree. I'd argue that she went for a ruthless strike on Ling Qi during that fight because Ling Qi's technique was preventing one of her trumps from functioning. "Take out the relatively squishy control that's preventing me from beating face" is a fairly standard combat tactic, and Sun Liling rarely seems to pull her punches.

Ling Qi is probably Sun Liling's #3 target, not #2.

1. Cai Renxiang. No disputing it, this is the person who organized the enemy faction that broke hers, views her with contempt and is generally her obstacle to proving herself the strongest among the outer sect. She probably also holds her at least partially responsible for all the actions of those 'under' her, from Gan Guangli to Ling Qi to maybe even Bai Meizhen, depending on how she views Meizhen's and Renxiang's relationship.
2. Bai Meizhen. The one who could most likely contest for her for strongest in a vacuum. Also hereditary enemies - although it's not (yet) all that personal on her part.
3. Ling Qi. Particularly by the tournament, a Green who has foiled her plans many a time. Not a threat in a tournament setting (Ling Qi hasn't done better than "not die instantly and managed to flee" against her), but particularly if she accepts Renxiang's she'll be a focal point for "show superiority over the Cai heiress".
4. Gan Guangli. Mostly would be a target because he's Renxiang's man, would slide under Ling Qi due to the latter's getting under Liling's skin and probably sooner Green cultivation level.

"Survive" is panicking. Ling Qi almost certainly will survive - a tournament is supervised, she's not a realm or worse below and she's got quite a good bit of damage mitigation. Killing or maiming would almost certainly need to be deliberate - and also very obviously so (which is equally important). In front of not just the sect elders, but a wide range of notables from across the Empire. And that's assuming she *could*; if Ling Qi herself wasn't able to get off the stage (extremely likely), use her escape talisman (always an option), call surrender and get a judge to intervene or the like, I wouldn't be surprised if Meizhen didn't interrupt.

She had a realm (two stage, even - so +4 auto-successes) on Ling Qi and wasn't able to disable her before Ling Qi fled. More than once, even. Decrease that advantage by simply the evening of the realms and I'd rate her making a kill-shot on Ling Qi as extremely unlikely.

Now, beating is a different story. So how would the cultivation stack up between the two? Well, Ling Qi is going to be Green/Bronze, and might be able to hit Green 2/Bronze 2 - Liling herself managed it in about three months, so it's potentially doable. Liling is going to be Green 2/Bronze 2 and might be able to hit Green 3/Bronze 3; I expect the time-to-advance curve to start spiking soon, but I don't know if it's going to spike that soon. So Ling Qi is looking at anywhere between even and being at a 2-stage disadvantage. That's not a pleasant disadvantage, but not insurmountable.

Ling Qi also gets +1 cultivation stage when using woodwinds - which helps both FVM *and* 'basic' flute attacks, as I understand it. That helps part of her offense a bit - although Sun Liling might have a similar specialty, which could tilt some contests the other way.

If you stripped away cultivation, I'd still give an edge to Sun Liling - she's probably got a peer or superior art setup and peer or superior equipment... along with likely a die or two on Ling Qi for base dice pools in combat. We'll see, of course - I don't actually know how hard Liling trains (we've only seen her in 'live' combat or the anticipated training-by-beating of Ji Rong) or what she trains in. Does she feel cultivation and aggression is enough? Does she prize 'mundane' skill?

In short - Sun Liling probably beats Ling Qi if they face off in the tournament. But Ling Qi probably is able to endure for a few rounds and make a good showing before losing without a lot of cost. Ling Qi does have an outside shot though - some bad luck on resisting Green Art-level debuffs and Liling could get spiraled down into a loss. Or if Ling Qi endures and starts to tap Liling out of qi (particularly if she can prevent her from recuperating), that could also lead to a win. Both not likely though.
Best way for that to happen is to force her to burn through ki on her exploding offense on bloodless cannon fodder though...

My God

Mobile Oppression Fortress Zhengui might be a hard counter to Lilings fighting style?!
 
I would suggest changing this to be conditional. We try for 5 breakthrough, and do this IF we fail and need a recovery action. It's not like these minors are super urgent.
Not interested; sorry. I don't like the idea of adding minors to a conditional action, and besides I absolutely refuse to sacrifice minors in general.

1 Recovery action is potentially not enough for 4 failed breakthrough actions. Right? 1 recovery can proc 3 breakthrough actions at max if they all fail.
It is possible that we will end the week without having fully recovered, yes. That said, even in the worst case, one recovery action (plus the Milk medicine) means that we are going to be able to attempt all four breakthrough actions. Worst case, even if we fail all of our rolls, they look like this:

1st roll -> reroll (from medicine) -> no XP loss (from medicine).
2nd roll -> XP lost -> XP recovered (from action)
3rd roll -> XP lost -> Can't train Spiritual.
4th roll -> XP lost -> Can't train Physical.

So we will still have room for all of our attempts, even though it leaves us kinda wreaked at the end in terms of XP loss. Then again, that is what you should expect if you posit straight losses on every breakthrough check.
 
Allright we're very busy this week but we need to start on the breakthrough at least. Preliminary skeleton of the plan type I'd prefer

Majors:
[] Attempt Breakthrough x 3
-[] Green, switching to Bronze if roll failed and training doesn't restore us to peak
[] Try to figure out where Yan Renshu went
-[] Meizhen is right... the two of you should probably talk, it seems there is still a lot you don;t know about each other
[] Train at the vent with Su Ling
- [] Regain experience to peak yellow. Otherwise AE
- [] Work on formations with Li Suyin, with the Vault Warriors mastered, you can delve more deeply into the Pale Manual
[] Zeqing has been quite busy, but you received a message inviting you to meet her... at her home?
[/] Cai Renxiang has something important to announce. It seems you will need to attend a council meeting
[] Work to unlock the Puzzle Box


EDIT: Pursue Yan Renshu because with how good he is at prep and him getting away with his construction resources we want to give him as little time as possible to get setup for his revenge.

I'd be open to switching some of these around, especially Suyin and or the puzzle box. I'd like to talk to Gu Tai but I don't think this week can fit it in. I wouldn't use the breakthrough medicine this week so we can have a full go at it next week.

Also @yrsillar Unless this event was massively more successful than we dreamed you've made a mistake in the gains spoiler saying we gained +10 Qi rather than plus 10 successes to Qi
 
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[x] Plan Breakthrough: Start!

At worse the formation minor will be skiped.


Ummm... no? "Double breakthrough" means getting both Spirit and Physique advanced in the same week. It's opposed to a single breakthrough, in which Ling Qi, at the end, splits the realms.

And why would it be "logically" worse than two single breakthroughs on concurrent weeks? Unless you're referring to "have a week with one aspect in third realm" - which, while technically a benefit, is a relatively minor one.

And the argument is actually "I'd like to get a success up to make a double breakthrough next week more possible" vs. "I'd like to spend this week whole-heartedly attempting to break through". It's about things they want to get accomplished this week (either because it's this week, or to squeeze in a bit more before breakthrough).
IF there are direct benefits, as in breakthrough permanent bonuses, to how and how fast breakthrough is achieved then spliting psy/spi rolls over two weeks is worse than doing each of them in a single week.

A crappy cultivator that's spending a month failing and re-cultivating spiritual/physical until he stockpiles his roll successes and then finally manages to pass both 3rd spiritual and physical roll in the same week does not make that last week a double breakthrough week. It means he spent a month breakingthrough.
 
Come on, you know the GM isn't above low key trolling us by dumping minors when he know we're about to start Breakthrough. Like my plan implies, our friends will understand if we go closed door-it's not like there haven't been weeks when they've been incommunicado.

This never sacrifice minors dogamtism is getting out of control. At this point, we're pretty much wasting majors in order to keep our minors.
 
Why? The Outer Sect is at peace now and if we follow my plan (unlikely, but still) then we'll be spending the entire time at the center of CRX's power base.
I am slightly conflicted about replacing the stealth talisman, but replacing the escape talisman seems like a no-brainer. Seems like something we shouldn't leave home without, not that we can afford it.

Mind you, it probably won't matter this week, but what does that matter? Not like spending the money next week is somehow better than spending it this week.
 
I choose to cultivate arts, and these specific arts, for a couple of reasons. First, they are the only arts we can really cultivate right now. Second, each of these arts can pull our successes in spiritual up from 2 bad breakthrough rolls, meaning that it will be easier to breakthrough next week. Also, if we do breakthrough, it will help us get started on moving to appraisal.

Hmmm... good catch. Half a cultivation action's successes (approximately) is enough to recover from a minor failure not caught by the pill.

There's also the EPC successes, if there's a suitably sneaky action. Unfortunately, those are in low supply, so it'd have to replace one of those breakthrough rolls... unless...

Damn, Ling Qi doesn't have enough sect points. Tutoring could allow both of those to be cultivated, have three breakthrough rolls and a sneaky-type action without sacrificing two minors.
 
Damn, Ling Qi doesn't have enough sect points. Tutoring could allow both of those to be cultivated, have three breakthrough rolls and a sneaky-type action without sacrificing two minors.
Apart from the fact that that doesn't really help our issues here, since we can't attack minors to tutor actions, we don't want to spend sect points. We're saving up for archive 3 right now.
 
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