Forge of Destiny(Xianxia Quest)

There is a miniature fun size war going on. The entire sect is a permanent battle royale. Yan Renshu is on the opposite side of the war. It doesn't matter if Yan Renshu has been retaliating against our stealing from him. He is an enemy in this mock war and thinking that Ling Qi is powerful enough that she can pull her punches and treat her enemies with the kiddy gloves, when even the most powerful cultivator's like Sun don't, is the height of hubris.

More importantly, I feel letting Meizhan go all out will lead to more interesting results. :)
 
stop being a threat to us personally, but when we leave our friends and minions won't have us to help them against a third level if he doesn't advance.

He hasn't even hinted at targeted them now - I'm not sure he'd care to target them next year. Sure, he's probably not hyper-rational or anything, but what does he actually gain from targeting them? Sure, Ling Qi would be in the inner sect, but if she really cared to she could probably find a way to reach out and touch him - either by finding an avenue herself or through Renxiang and her contacts. She could offer some free tutoring, talismans or pills to someone in the outer sect to ruin his lunch, say. Why give her a reason to? It's not like Li Suyin and Su Ling are the type to involve themselves in the inter-group chaos anyway.

Along similar lines, she could offer something to one of the heavier hitters that didn't make it to keep an eye on them before she graduates. For that matter, Li Suyin is under the direction of someone I wager could easily take care of Yan Renshu if he were willing to target them because they're associated with Ling Qi. Not that he's shown any evidence of doing so to date. Or of hating Ling Qi to the point of sacrificing everything to get at her (Agrajag he is not).

His actions against her after the theft show he's pretty pissed - trying to trap her in his lair when she escaped, stabbing her with a knife and trying to cut off her finger with the space ring he thought his stolen property was in in the immediate aftermath, giving info he could've sold to Sun Liling for free and trying to meddle with her getting sect points - but they don't show excessive hatred, the kind that'd lead to him wiping himself out to get at her or to go after anyone associated with her. In fact, Meizhen's probably pissed him off just as much, given how she's been hunting him and his remaining minions.

The message he's gotten so far is - attempting to get revenge on Ling Qi is liable to fail, and only brings more suffering upon himself. Meizhen has made it clear that even if he were able to overcome Ling Qi herself, she'd ruthlessly hunt him down (and I doubt he has any illusions about what she'd do when she caught him). Ling Qi is quite close to Cai Renxiang as well, which doesn't help his prospects much. She herself is almost certainly one of the prospects for graduating through the combat tournament. In short, if he's got any other desires on his mind (like a power base in the outer sect, or making it to the inner sect), going after Ling Qi any further is likely to be less than appealing. After all, she's likely gone in a few months and, unless he draws her eye, she's unlikely to ever bother him again.

We'll see how he behaves when cornered (probably), of course. I'm guessing he'll either panic or gloat (if he thinks his defenses will win out, or if he's gotten Sun Liling or some of her remaining minions to help in an ambush against the duo); if the former, it'll be interesting to see if he tries to bargain, if he has a "why can't you leave me alone?" wail, vows she'll regret crossing him, etc etc.

There is a miniature fun size war going on. The entire sect is a permanent battle royale. Yan Renshu is on the opposite side of the war. It doesn't matter if Yan Renshu has been retaliating against our stealing from him. He is an enemy in this mock war and thinking that Ling Qi is powerful enough that she can pull her punches and treat her enemies with the kiddy gloves, when even the most powerful cultivator's like Sun don't, is the height of hubris.

More importantly, I feel letting Meizhan go all out will lead to more interesting results. :)

Why are people thinking that "show restraint" is Ling Qi treating people with kiddy gloves, is the "sunshine and hugs"path or any of the similar nonsense? She's still going to beat him down, break a bunch of his shit, loot him some more and try to deal with him in a way that removes him as a viable threat. She's just not going to do so through means that the sect, if made aware of it, would be unlikely to disapprove of, or that would possibly lead to her saying or doing something that puts Meizhen back in that unfortunate head-space (say, flinching away from a post-torture Meizhen's approach).
 
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yes, this man may eventually try to harm us and/or our friends, so let's do permanent damage. this is what we call escalation. he did us a small bad, we're planning on wrecking his entire life. if you want to destroy everyone who might do our friends a bad, it's a long list and it's going to grow exponentially as we work our way down it.

I just think ruining and humiliating him then peacing out to inner sect will just let him take it out on our friends is all. Surely a guy who made that scary contract book won't hold a grudge! Ayyyyyy Ling, you got me! See you at the Argent Sect Reunion!
 
Account created today and your only post is this vote. Care to say something else, so we know you're not a sockpuppet?
Just report your suspicions and call it a day. No need to clutter up the thread with this sort of unpleasantness; not like there is anything meaningful we can do to resolve it one way or another, anyways. It isn't up to us to judge this sort of stuff.
 
Just report your suspicions and call it a day. No need to clutter up the thread with this sort of unpleasantness; not like there is anything meaningful we can do to resolve it one way or another, anyways. It isn't up to us to judge this sort of stuff.

I remember a quest that looked like it would be good but the GM made a bunch of sock puppets to change the very first vote since he didn't want to write the option that was winning. The quest immediately died after he got caught.

While it makes for an amusing story I hope people here realize that sock puppets are rarely used because it ruins quests, and also that they shouldn't make sock puppets for the same reason.
 
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[X] Go along with Meizhen, you don't much care what happens to Yan Renshu, but you would rather she have backup. He's tricky.
 
I remember a quest that looked like it would be good but the GM made a bunch of sock puppets to change the very first vote since he didn't want to write the option that was winning. The quest immediately died after he got caught.

While it makes for an amusing story I hope people here realize that sock puppets are rarely used because it ruins quests, and also that they shouldn't make sock puppets for the same reason.

That's just silly. If you don't want to write an option, then don't offer it. If you want to write a specific option, then don't give other options :p

(And if you change your mind and decide that an option that's winning isn't something you can write after all, apologize and say that you can't figure out a way to make it work. Maybe toss a bit of a bonus to the thread in recompense.)

Come to think of it, there's nothing wrong with saying "well, I think I'd have more fun writing X, would people mind if we just went with that?" I mean, I feel like quests are a lot more fun when the QM is having a good time as well...

I mean, let's say that I want to write a xianxia quest where the protagonist character is a weak hapless demon beast who's trying to not get caught and turned into a pill (as, in fact, I've occasionally thought about doing). If I have several ideas as to what kind of beast it is, I could set out the options for a vote. If I particularly want to write the adventures of a "dao-rabbit", then that's what'll be presented and the first vote'll be about something else instead.
 
Could easily be a lurker who decided to register and vote.

I'm fairly sure that someone isn't going to risk their primary account by making a sockpuppet.

Just report your suspicions and call it a day. No need to clutter up the thread with this sort of unpleasantness; not like there is anything meaningful we can do to resolve it one way or another, anyways. It isn't up to us to judge this sort of stuff.

Fair call. I wasn't actually aware there was a rule against it, so much as it's a dick move. I figured if they never responded (or at least had some kind of activity), I'd ask yrsillar to discount that vote.
 
Do the options we're voting for include a "stop if he concedes" clause, or a vote on it, or will we press on regardless? Or is it too late for him to properly concede once we're knocking at his door, so he should have done it earlier if he wanted to?
Voting to convince Meizhen should stop if he concedes since brutality towards a noncombatant is something yrs classified as overboard .

If you want to pin the blame on why Sun was hounding Ling Qi it's solely Sun's fault
Well, technically I'd blame it on Ling Qi's habit of breaking into places and her reputation for destroying factions. We've shown ourself as way more of a threat to Sun than Renhsu's been to us :p

I remember a quest that looked like it would be good but the GM made a bunch of sock puppets to change the very first vote since he didn't want to write the option that was winning. The quest immediately died after he got caught.
That's so sad it's amusing. Communication is key, much more effective than getting stuck puppeting half one's voterbase.
 
[X] Go along with Meizhen, you don't much care what happens to Yan Renshu, but you would rather she have backup. He's tricky.

 
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This better not turn into another 50/50 split vote.

Also props to the steadfast @RideTheWalrus

If I wasnt voting politically id vote that too.
Adhoc vote count started by Kian on Dec 30, 2017 at 6:52 AM, finished with 44659 posts and 170 votes.
 
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Inhonestly don't think the options are about whether or not Bai will go overboard, she's much better informed about what the Elders will let fly.

Rather I think the vote is about whether we trust her or not.

I trust Bai.

[X] Go along with Meizhen, you don't much care what happens to Yan Renshu, but you would rather she have backup. He's tricky.
 
This vote would be so much easier if QM just said the chance of torture for second option. But I can understand why they wouldn't do it.
I just hope that people stop strawmanning to the help out of their opponents
I suspect that people who voted for the second option aren't torture fetishists. I can also make a good guess that people who voted for the first option know that YR is dangerous for who needs to be stopped.
Once both sides acknowledge this, I think an actual discussion might happen. Not current running in circles.
 
This vote would be so much easier if QM just said the chance of torture for second option. But I can understand why they wouldn't do it.
I just hope that people stop strawmanning to the help out of their opponents
I suspect that people who voted for the second option aren't torture fetishists. I can also make a good guess that people who voted for the first option know that YR is dangerous for who needs to be stopped.
Once both sides acknowledge this, I think an actual discussion might happen. Not current running in circles.
The only difference between the two option is what happens if there is torture. 'the chance of torture' doesn't matter, as if there is no torture the two options are identical.

Both options make sure Yan Renshu won't be able to bother us again, and both get all the loots/etc, and both back up Meizhen.
 
The only difference between the two option is what happens if there is torture. 'the chance of torture' doesn't matter, as if there is no torture the two options are identical.

Both options make sure Yan Renshu won't be able to bother us again, and both get all the loots/etc, and both back up Meizhen.
I am aware of that. But some of the voters arguments led me to believe that not everyone does understand that.
 
Fair call. I wasn't actually aware there was a rule against it, so much as it's a dick move. I figured if they never responded (or at least had some kind of activity), I'd ask yrsillar to discount that vote.
Sorry yeah I'm a total lurker but had to chime in on this vote! But yeah I've been active in the Discord channel in the past but never made a SV account. But yeah totally my bad for not following up with an explanation but I wanted to get a vote in before I went to sleep.
 
Yeah for my reasoning for the overboard vote is that I think that it's more appropriate for the setting. I think that in the future Ling Qi will have to make these hard decisions. Plus we cannot protect everyone and leaving a person with a grudge behind in the sect will cause pain to anyone who was close to us. We have to be able to end a threat decisively, and permanently and not just until the end of the year.
 
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