Permanent crippling breaks the rules, and everyone is saying that Meizhen knows better that going over their limits
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Forge of Destiny(Xianxia Quest)
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When has Yan Renshu attacked Ling's friends?
Like, what do people think will happen afterwards? Will crippling someone for an altogether minor slight would be looked favorably upon? Any reason you give here to cripple Yan Renshu would apply just as well for Sun Liling reasoning why she can cripple Ling Qi, it would give Sun the perfect excuse to fuck over Ling Qi. Not to mention, how do you think the sect elders will react after Ling Qi cripples another disciple for what is essentially a schoolhouse scuffle? Remember that other people are watching and they aren't likely to be impressed by the 'hard man making hard decisions while hard' schtick (and you know, rekindling the Sun-Cai war by letting Sun claim a casus belli about how Cai lets her servants cripple people who oppose her).
If Meizhen is not going to do anything objectionable that vote wouldn't exist. and then there's no reason to vote for the tricky option unless you want to push Ling Qi into being ruthless.
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Both the Sun and the Bai will have limited influence in an independent Sect in neither of their provinces.
And I highly doubt the Sun will expend any political capital to protect one of their daughter's ally of convenience in a war game that will be over in a few months. An ally of convenience that said daughter public ally denounced.
That not to say that Sun Liling won't try to help Yan or break him out of prison herself, but that it sounds very much like something her parents and grandparents will tell her to handle herself.
Anyway, I trust Meizhen to know how to navigate the politics of it.
And I highly doubt the Sun will expend any political capital to protect one of their daughter's ally of convenience in a war game that will be over in a few months. An ally of convenience that said daughter public ally denounced.
That not to say that Sun Liling won't try to help Yan or break him out of prison herself, but that it sounds very much like something her parents and grandparents will tell her to handle herself.
Anyway, I trust Meizhen to know how to navigate the politics of it.
We know that the elders don't give a shit about the limits. Cai Renxia and Sun Liling herself have told us that the rules are only there for overt behavior, to protect the noble children, and to impose some level of non-permanent consequence on them for basically what amounts to playing around. Huang Da is another example - he definitely thought he could get away with disappearing us.
The rules don't give a single shit about people like Ling Qi, Yan Renshu, Suyin, and so on. They aren't for us, and someone like Yan Renshu who goes about playing villain, including things like contracts that cripple cultivation? The elders would probably see dealing with him as an achievement.
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Meizhen believes that hurting someone of such a low station will likely spark either no or a very light punishment. Please reread her speech.
The convince option wants to prevent her from going overboard. This likely means that the no restrain option will be going over board.
We have word of god that going overboard means either torture or permanet crippling. That is a WoG quoted in my above post.
Could you point what according to your reading has led you to believe their won't be any crippling if we dont stop it?
TheLastOne
Person of impeccable tastes (for destruction)
There's permanent and there's permanent. What's actually healable and repairable if you have the money, connections, and favor of the sect, and what's healable if you don't, are completely different. Crippling his spiritual and physical cultivation such that it would take thousands of stones and the intervention of a friendly expert might not technically be permanent, but it will effectively be. And then his use and potential in the sect vanishes, and he get sent off to his military service.
Meizhen is perfectly capable of permanently crippling him, leading to his death, without technically doing either.
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Yeah people seem to be both a). viewing Meizhen as infallible, which is definitely a thing she is not. She has shown multiple times that when it comes to Ling Qi she doesn't tend to have things under control personally. Mostly because she was an emotionally detached person who found someone that she attached to pretty hard. b). Viewing this choice as if only the one that restrains Meizhen as being the only one that has possible long reaching consequences. Finally c). seem to think that Yan Renshu is someone who can afford to antagonize us more than he already has.
Sure Renshu might be preparing and plotting to hit Ling Qi in a big way. However if he has spent as much time investing into screwing over Ling Qi as people seem to think then he would be shooting himself in the foot, not just in terms of he has been letting his cultivation slip and letting Ling Qi catch up with him, meaning that any retribution he has in mind is either less likely to work or will be repaid a thousandfold there is also the fact that everyone keeps shouting 'he has no backing!'. Which really should leave the obvious point.
We do have backing. Quite a bit of it in fact and not from minor players. We, rather publicly, have backing from not only Meizhen who has the reputation of the Bai behind her but also the backing of Cai in a known capacity. What was it that someone said? That we shouldn't assume that Meizhen is retarded and knows politics and backstabbing since she has been trained in them despite us in character and out of character knowing that when it comes to Ling Qi Meizhen tends to go off the handle?
Well then apply that same reasoning. Renshu doens't need to be a noble or a super genius to figure out that if he has no allies right now then all he can really do is be an annoyance to Ling Qi. Because anything else could get the wrath of god called down on his head. And all of the arguments for sicking Meizhen on him seem to be banking on what Renshu might do instead of what he has done. All of which he either been in direct retaliation to us barring one possible exception or were things he was tangentally related in.
And lets not forget that in her actions Meizhen hid what she was doing from us at first. Not for the reasons a typical person would believe but because she felt she was overstepping her bounds of what was proper and what she should be doing in this situation. Why? because Ling Qi could have potentially been hurt in the encounter with Liling and she can't go after Liling herself. She can go after Renshu herself though to have something to punch in order for her to feel better about what happened. So you know, not exactly as detached from the situation as people are trying to play her up as. So it's a little hypocritical that we talked Xiulan down from acting the way she was despite the fact that she has experience over us in social niceties and we're going to turn around and tell Meizhen to keep on doing what she's doing.
Sure Renshu might be preparing and plotting to hit Ling Qi in a big way. However if he has spent as much time investing into screwing over Ling Qi as people seem to think then he would be shooting himself in the foot, not just in terms of he has been letting his cultivation slip and letting Ling Qi catch up with him, meaning that any retribution he has in mind is either less likely to work or will be repaid a thousandfold there is also the fact that everyone keeps shouting 'he has no backing!'. Which really should leave the obvious point.
We do have backing. Quite a bit of it in fact and not from minor players. We, rather publicly, have backing from not only Meizhen who has the reputation of the Bai behind her but also the backing of Cai in a known capacity. What was it that someone said? That we shouldn't assume that Meizhen is retarded and knows politics and backstabbing since she has been trained in them despite us in character and out of character knowing that when it comes to Ling Qi Meizhen tends to go off the handle?
Well then apply that same reasoning. Renshu doens't need to be a noble or a super genius to figure out that if he has no allies right now then all he can really do is be an annoyance to Ling Qi. Because anything else could get the wrath of god called down on his head. And all of the arguments for sicking Meizhen on him seem to be banking on what Renshu might do instead of what he has done. All of which he either been in direct retaliation to us barring one possible exception or were things he was tangentally related in.
And lets not forget that in her actions Meizhen hid what she was doing from us at first. Not for the reasons a typical person would believe but because she felt she was overstepping her bounds of what was proper and what she should be doing in this situation. Why? because Ling Qi could have potentially been hurt in the encounter with Liling and she can't go after Liling herself. She can go after Renshu herself though to have something to punch in order for her to feel better about what happened. So you know, not exactly as detached from the situation as people are trying to play her up as. So it's a little hypocritical that we talked Xiulan down from acting the way she was despite the fact that she has experience over us in social niceties and we're going to turn around and tell Meizhen to keep on doing what she's doing.
It's been repeatedly mentioned how Bai Meizhen judgment is compromised when it comes to Ling Qi.
See at the end of Zhou's test where she fucked up Fan Yu's arm for holding Ling Qi's arm and shouting at her. Or the Cui interlude where she is perfectly fine with torturing dudes for info. She can't be trusted to make rational measured decisions regarding Ling Qi safety.
(And of course the kicker, the things that Bai Meizhen can get away with due to her position are not the things that Ling Qi can get away with)
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Somehow you think that the street-rat girl that had hardly any contact with nobility and cultivation a few months ago, has a better idea of where the actual line is than Meizhen, daughter of one of the Empire ages old ducal family, born, raised in and for cultivator politics ?
You are entirely missing the point. Meizhen did all that and she didn't get punished by the Sect.
No matter how pissed, or "emotionally compromised", she did not break the Sect rules.
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The little tidbit that you seem to keep missing is that she is raised in the Bai tradition. Just because she has been taught, does not mean she should replicate. Otherwise by ignoring the details you give carte blanche for Meizhen to replicate all the behaviors she sees. At least those that she doesn't personally want to replicate. I'm pretty sure most people here wouldn't want Meizhen to raise any children she has or adopts the same was she was raised, no?
It's just a shame that we can't get any custom choices going. Otherwise I would totally vote for getting a second opinion. Ask Xiulan or Cai what would be a better choice here.
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[X] Go along with Meizhen, you should probably convince her not to go overboard, and she could use backup besides.
Wow, this choice was tough for me to make. Ultimately I'm down for robbing him blind and fucking over his living area, but not crippling him physically. At that point he has to choose between getting meaningful revenge or keeping up on his cultivation.
Wow, this choice was tough for me to make. Ultimately I'm down for robbing him blind and fucking over his living area, but not crippling him physically. At that point he has to choose between getting meaningful revenge or keeping up on his cultivation.
And if he chooses meaningful revenge? It's not a risk worth taking.
Sun word has no value. She decried him because it was the best option in her war.
And now she has lost almost all her allies so face doesn't matter, as they will follow her trough everything.
We give her a possibility to remove Bai from the wargame. Why wouldn't she take it?
The elders put rules down. They are forced to apply them if someone show that they broke them.
Except that he totally will if this mean fucking up Bai.
Edit: this is not about YR. YR problem will be solved wichever choice has been taken. The issue is not giving our ennemy a chance to deal with Bai.
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You know talking constantly in what if's doesn't really make you all that convincing. Especially since by your definition of risk we should kill everyone who has even the slightest chance to want to do harm to us and our friends despite the reality of that actually happening and keep everyone in a bubble. Is that an exaggeration? Yes, to a point. We have absolutely no evidence that he is planning this other than some of you believe he is a revenge obsessed lunatic like we killed his entire family line or something. Because this is starting to sound a lot like this.
First you say that she knows where the line is. Then that she has not broken sect rules.
Fine, does that then mean that she knows that the line lies at the sect rules?
In that case, there shouldn't be any problem with the overboard option because she wouldn't go overboard anyway.
But your whole argument is that Ling Qi will stop her from doing wahtever she thinks is necessary, which means that you think that she will go overboard, which means that you think that she will break sect rules, even if she has never yet done it.
So sorry, I am all from keeping our best friend from commiting a potential mistake that can cost her a lot, especially if she is doing it for our sake since she is "emotionally compromised" because of her attraction to us.
The elders are forced to do nothing. You think some petty outer sect squabble means anything to them? Events here are only noteworthy if they actually affect the sect. Crippling the heir to a noble house - bad for the sect's reputation. Sunflower patch in the middle of the outer sect village - bad for the sect's infrastructure. Commoner crippled - what does it matter? Sun Liling whining - lol what.
e: You're thinking of the sect rules as some kind of line in the sand, but as has been shown to us repeatedly, they're not. They exist for the benefit of the sect, not for the outer disciples.
Well, he is a revenge obsessed person, and we intend to give him even more reason to hate us no matter which vote wins. You think feeding Sun Liling scrying was cheap? He could have charged hundreds of stones for that, if he wasn't focused on revenge why didn't he? Yan Renshu is obviously not thinking in some perfectly logical no-hate mode. And if that sounds like an exaggeration, well, it is. To a point. We have plenty of evidence that he wants us to, as he literally said to us, "Suffer".
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[X] Go along with Meizhen, you should probably convince her not to go overboard, and she could use backup besides
forgive me, this vote is too exciting not to be a part of o3o;
forgive me, this vote is too exciting not to be a part of o3o;
And I do not think that "confiscating" everything he has, breaking three or four limbs and poisoning him so that he is blind and deaf for six months, misses the tournament and gets so set back that he cannot rebuild his advantage is going overboard, since it is NOT PERMANENT.
Crippling his cultivation in a way that only a miraculous MC-like fortunate encounter will restore it IS permanent, and would be going overboard
Then let's kill YR. After all the elders wouldn't care right?
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It's certainly possible we could get away with it, yes. I really don't think we should, but we could possibly get away with it.
TheLastOne
Person of impeccable tastes (for destruction)
Blinding and deafening him and poisoning him so that he can't cultivate for month is quite certainly in the 'overboard' category. If that's the kind of solution you're hoping for, don't vote restraint.
Then don't vote restraint, because you've just described several things that Qi would restrain Meizhen from doing.
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[X] Go along with Meizhen, you don't much care what happens to Yan Renshu, but you would rather she have backup. He's tricky.
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Please reread what you wrote while pretending that the characters in our rpg here are people and not numbers. also try to imagine them as teenagers and not numbers.
