Forge of Destiny(Xianxia Quest)

...Honestly, I kind of wish instead of going off to play music with like one other person in the audience Ling Qi would just go play music in the common square or whatever where everybody could enjoy it. Thus inspiring horrific paranoia in those who have done her wrong, and maybe actually causing the normal Outer Sect kids who have been busting their butts for the last few months to have a good time for once.

Yeah this would be good.

We could also start playing for the student council.
 
The Bet
The Bet

A pale, lanky boy with black hair and eyes, Shouzu Tian was distraught, as the news that reached him made himself reconsider all actions that he had done until now. At least, there was still time to change course, if he ran, so that he would not become fragilized. No, he will change things and as such, his position will remain untouched. But first, he had a friend, nay, a rat, to find, though such should not be truly difficult, what with the way Ladies Cai and Ling offered a communal pill furnace with price competitive with the ones the sect provided.

After some prodding, and showing his patrolman armband, he finally found the rat, Maopi Heise, with his dark skin and bald head, and spirits be damned, the way his face was smirking, Tian knew he would not escape extreme gloating. "Ah, how the mighty have fallen. It was yesterday only, that a certain man was saying how we were all fools, idiots even, to not amend our bets, and now here he is, more ghost than man, but to what purpose?". Tian could feel the smugness from his voice not dripping, but falling like a veritable waterfall.

"Yes, I was wrong, I'm very sorry and all that, but I must emphasize that I may still correct my bets for the tournament. So, let us do like this, Heise - I will change my eight chosen with you completely silent, and then you can gloat and do all those things you so like as much as you want. Deal?", Tian said, extending his hand for the other boy, whose smirk seemed to get bigger to Tian despair, though in the end Heise squeezed his hand, offering him a piece of paper shortly after. Now this, this would entail some heavy considerations. Obviously, the Monster Trio of Bai, Cai and Sun was a certain bet, all fully in the third realm and boasting impressive arts and talismans, with resources that could rival ten of the common outer disciples. Now, the rest was a little harder to place, he had first gone with Chu Song from the seniors, as she was the only one he knew before, due to his, ahem, not exactly amicable nor unfriendly with Ji Rong before all those things happening in the sect - but Tian had made his choice in the Cai group, as his acquaintance, for lack of a better term, had made his, and as such they would fight if they met, even if Tian had the certainty he would lost easily.

Either way, Tian thought, there would be little chance for Chu Song this tournament, and her name was erased from his little listing, replaced with the freaking boogeywoman that was Lady Ling, and he wouldn't think of her any way besides as a respectful lady anymore, no matter what he dreamt of before. The next was Kang Zihao, and after some consideration, he thought the son of the Shield of the Empress would still be able to pass to the inner sect. Ji Rong was still in, as Tian knew the boy somewhat, and his fearful talent will see him through the battles. He had heard some things about Sir Xuan trying the production test, so out the guy was, and in came Sir Han, Tian having nothing but the highest esteem for the man after all the training. Sir Gan was almost out too, but in the end, Tian thought he had a great chance. Sure, he wouldn't ace the bet, due to all the seniors he didn't know about, but it was better than almost all of his friends, who put Huang Da on the list - sure, he was good, even got the prize from Elder Su way back then, but he wasn't good enough, and besides, he also didn't like the guy. After changing his bets though, he passed the paper to Heise, only to find himself being stared not only by him, but also by the Lu Twins, Ziyou and Yun, both with tan skin, blond hair and green eyes, and he groaned, already thinking on all he would heard. "See, twins, remember the face of this ghost, or if you can, record it for posterity, for that is the face of a man who made an error and is now dreading the consequences", Heise said while grinning larger than the Grinning Moon, with the twins in tow. But he wouldn't face this, oh no.

"Okay, let laid down some rules right now. I only gave Heise the right to gloat and be smug and all those things, so, if I hear any kind of comment from you twins, I will haunt you with my ghosts for an entire month" and that shut their opening mouths, the way they sometimes talked the same things at the same time freaking him and Heise out, though it got better. Still, even the threat of his Despairing Ghost Art wasn't enough to make them stop grinning with all of those feelings of superiority, after all, the bet they made about who would reach the mid tier in both realms was won by him a few days ago, even counting the head start the twins had in entering the Silver realm, so yeah, he would let them grin and hurt their faces, for he was sure they would still be radiating smugness during their mission to hunt beasts today. At least Heise wouldn't go with them today, to busy making pills and all that. Tian was sure he would need the reprieve, for the night would be long and full of jabs at his face.

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So, I had this idea when our relationship with the Outer Sect changed, and really, I believe many of the disciples from our year, and even the seniors, have betting pools about who will pass the tournament for entrance in the Inner Sect. Sorry for bad writing and english and all that, haven't practiced lately.

[X] Plan: Surprise! I'm secretly invincible!

And now, I return to lurking.
 
Tbh, my opinion is that now that Ling Qi is no longer a noob, and basic advice doesn't do much anymore, we should only be able to train actual combat arts with our friends.

I don't see much reason why doing basic cultivation with them would help much, or how they'd be able to help us with things like EPC. The exception would be Suyin with meridians because of her knowledge of our body from all her poking.

There is one reason i can think up for Meihzen, and only her, being able to help in cultivation: she already walked the path and is Early Green. Generally speaking any friend that is on a higher cultivation (physical or spiritual) level than Ling Qi should be able to give pointers even if not using the same cultivation technique.
 
Do we have a sense for how Ling Qi's training regimen compares to the other high ranking acolytes? We know that Su Ling thinks she spends a ridiculous amount on drugs and crystals every week, but do we know how her expenditures stack up against what somebody like Han Jian is doing?
 
Do we have a sense for how Ling Qi's training regimen compares to the other high ranking acolytes? We know that Su Ling thinks she spends a ridiculous amount on drugs and crystals every week, but do we know how her expenditures stack up against what somebody like Han Jian is doing?
I seem to recall that yrsillar has said that most of our friends besides Meizhen find it a bit weird and potentially excessive. Or something like that.

Meizhen just think its normal.
 
One thing to note is that our new sonic attacks are potentially dangerous to us without an actual art to give them good dice.

The reason is counter arts. If we we look at how tranquil rebuke works, all it needs is for us to win the defensive roll. Which it also boosts. And will apply technique dice to. We win it, and the attacker eats perfect damage.

This means that throwing out techniques with low dice can actually just set you up to eat piles of counter damage.
 
I really like how the leading plan this week has us touching base with all our friends. Although, can we add in a free [] talk to all our friends about the vassalage thing, see what they think about it?

I think it's only polite to give everyone a headsup, and I'd like to hear all our friends' opinions on it, even if it's probably only Golden Fields and Meizhen that can comment on it meaningfully.
 
I really like how the leading plan this week has us touching base with all our friends. Although, can we add in a free [] talk to all our friends about the vassalage thing, see what they think about it?

I think it's only polite to give everyone a headsup, and I'd like to hear all our friends' opinions on it, even if it's probably only Golden Fields and Meizhen that can comment on it meaningfully.
That would be a minor(s)?

Like Meizhen's?
 
Since we have a special element of music now I feel the need to explore this element. What can it do what are the advantages?
Well, I have something of an insight into the "music" element based on the fluff surrounding the event that had us acquire it.

Music is the expression of the soul. It is the means by which the soul can communicate with the world around it and evoke the same feelings and emotions that the soul is experiencing. However, as an element, it does not rely on simple things such as wind or sound to either enhance or deter its expression. Rather, it forgoes the need for such things by directly affecting the world through itself. Tone, rhythm, melodies, all of these things are expressed through the soul to affect the world rather than through wind or sound.

In such a manner, wind or sound do not matter to one who has come to understand what music truly is, for they have overcome the obstacles of using such rough mediums to express the soul and rather rely on the soul itself.
 
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  • [X] Plan Find Meridians
    -[X] Resources: 3x RS, 1x YS, Rippling Lake Pill (2), Stalwart Mountain Pill (2), Vigorous Sapling Pill (2), 2nd Level Pills for Lake + Mountain + Wood (18)
    -- [X] Restock Restoratives: 2x Wellspring Pill (6), 1x Spirit Restoration Pill (15) (Total: 21)
    -[X] Overflow: Qi
    -[X] EPC Bonus: EPC
    -[X] Spend time working with Zhengui to express his abilities
    -[X] Train at the vent with Su Ling
    --[X] AM
    --[X] Training is nice, but you'd like to get to be better friends with Su Ling, perhaps you could see if she has any interest in music?
    -[X] Train with Meizhen
    --[X] EPC
    --[X] You need to speak with Meizhen, about Cai's offer and the future in general
    -[X] Train with the Golden Fields Group
    --[X] TRF
    -[X] Scout out Sun Liling's base of operations
    -- [X] Free: Let Meizhen know we're planning to do this
    -[X] Go on a trip to the spiders nest with Li Suyin
    -[X] Try to figure out the locking formations on the last bag
    -[x] Trade techniques with Han Jian, you can help each other work out the basics.
    [X] Plan: Surprise! I'm secretly invincible!
    -[X] Resources: Clear Wind Pill, Vigorous Sapling Pill, White Hart Elixir, Second Level Wood Pill 1 YSS, 3 RSS (Total Cost: 29 RSS)
    -[X] EPC Bonus Successes: Eight Phase Ceremony
    -[X] Spend time working with Zhengui to express his abilities
    -[X] Train at the vent with Su Ling
    --[X] Thousand Ring Fortress
    -[X] Train with Meizhen
    --[X] Eight Phase Ceremony
    --[X] Minor: You need to speak with Meizhen, about Cai's offer and the future in general
    -[X] Train with the Golden Fields Group
    --[X] Fleeting Zephyr
    --[X] Minor: Trade techniques with Han Jian, you can help each other work out the basics.
    -[X] Scout out Sun Liling's base of operations
    -[X] Minor: Go on a trip to the spiders nest with Li Suyin
    -[X] Minor: Find the time for a chat with Guangli, even if he is biased, he's probably the one who knows Cai best
    -[X] Minor: Spend some time around Cai Renxiang, what does she actually do all day
    [X] Plan The Dark Storm
    -[X] Use: 3 RS; 1 YS
    -[X] Buy: Clear wind Pill (2); Vigorous Sapling Pill (2); White Hart Elixir (6); 2nd level wood pill (6); total (1 YS, 19 RS)
    -[X] EPC Bonus: EPC
    -[X] Spend time working with Zhengui to express his abilities
    -[X] Train at the vent with Su Ling
    --[X] Train TRF
    --[X] Training is nice, but you'd like to get to be better friends with Su Ling, perhaps you could see if she has any interest in music?
    -[X] Train with Meizhen
    --[X] EPC
    --[X] You need to speak with Meizhen, about Cai's offer and the future in general
    -[X] Train with the Golden Fields Group
    --[X] FZ
    -[X] Take a job
    --[X] Capture the Storm Spirits
    -[X] Try to figure out the locking formations on the last bag
    -[X] Go on a trip to the spiders nest with Li Suyin
    -[x] Trade techniques with Han Jian, you can help each other work out the basics.
    [X] Plan: Weathering the Argent Techniques.
    -[X] Resources: Gushing Spring Pill, Clear Wind Pill, First Level Thunder Pill, First Level Fire Pill, Vigorous Sapling Pill, White Hart Elixir, Second Level Wood Pill, Second Level Thunder Pill, Second Level Fire Pill, Flowing Rivers Pill. 70 Red Stones Total
    -[X] 1 Yellow Spirit Stone, 3 Red Spirit Stones.
    -[X] EPC Bonus Successes: Eight Phase Ceremony
    -[X] Spend time working with Zhengui to express his abilities
    -[X] Train at the vent with Su Ling
    --[X] Thousand Ring Fortress
    -[X] Train with Meizhen
    --[X] Eight Phase Ceremony
    --[X] Minor: You need to speak with Meizhen, about Cai's offer and the future in general
    -[X] Train with the Golden Fields Group
    --[X] Argent Storm
    --[X] Argent Current
    --[X] Minor: Trade techniques with Han Jian, you can help each other work out the basics.
    -[X] Minor: Go on a trip to the spiders nest with Li Suyin
    -[X] Minor: Find the time for a chat with Guangli, even if he is biased, he's probably the one who knows Cai best
    -[X] Minor: Spend some time around Cai Renxiang, what does she actually do all day
    [X] Plan Split the Difference
    -[X] Resources: 3x RS, 1x YS, Rippling Lake Pill (2), Stalwart Mountain Pill (2), Vigorous Sapling Pill (2), 2nd Level Pills for Lake + Mountain + Wood (18)
    -- [X] Restock Restoratives: 2x Wellspring Pill (6), 1x Spirit Restoration Pill (15) (Total: 21)
    -[X] Overflow: Qi
    -[X] EPC Bonus: EPC
    -[X] Spend time working with Zhengui to express his abilities
    -[X] Train at the vent with Su Ling
    --[X] AM
    --[X] Training is nice, but you'd like to get to be better friends with Su Ling, perhaps you could see if she has any interest in music?
    -[X] Train with Meizhen
    --[X] EPC
    --[X] You need to speak with Meizhen, about Cai's offer and the future in general
    -[X] Train with the Golden Fields Group
    --[X] TRF
    -[X] Scout out Sun Liling's base of operations
    -[X] Go on a trip to the spiders nest with Li Suyin
    -[X] Minor: Spend some time around Cai Renxiang, what does she actually do all day
    -[x] Trade techniques with Han Jian, you can help each other work out the basics.
    [X] You need to speak with Meizhen, about Cai's offer and the future in general
 
I think @yrsillar missed it, but we should have the option of making a few of the bone scouts without an action. Should probably do that.

Yeah I should have. If folks would like to add that to your plans go ahead, just slot it in with the pills and other expenses, no more than three though, if you want it to remain a free action.

@yrsillar Does this give us access to a new cultivation site? I ask this because it seems to have Wind bonuses.

It's a cultivation site. Ling Qi doesn't want to go back there right now though.

Won't work - we won't have any overflow for FZ because we'll have the spare heart meridians for FZ4 (just not to equip it).

So yeah, meridian week 32 is good - and if we don't do a job this week, we should do it next.

That sets up for Eightfold week 33, and we'll have the meridians to equip everything.

Nice of @yrsillar to let us get that spine meridian with overflow... It is kind of gaming the system tbh given that it allows us to essentially remove the risk from meridian opening actions. I'd be tempted to suggest that the mechanics should really be modified there so that if we are allowed to do this, we should have to do something like "gamble" the overflow. So if, say, we don't get enough overflow on the art we specified to open the meridian we lose it instead of being able to just send it on to qi regardless. That way there'd still be some risk.

Your likely right, which is why this is only the second time I;ve done it. I think last time was a sable week too. I'll probably do this in the future.

So, does anyone know when the qi recharge for AE actually occurs?

@yrsillar does it occur when an enemy receives a wound to their health or does it occur when an enemy gets damaged by an attack?

It occurs at the end of the turn. You only get one qi back per turn, no matter the wounds inflicted right now.

[X] Plan Find Meridians
Not completely certain we should do Sun Liling scouting, but it could be needed and this has all the minors I want.

It also gets AM4, which is of significant help for scouting.


Deepwood vitality or TRF are very powerful for the worms, I think. makes sure they can last a full turn at the very least. Also, keep in mind that AE1 is mid yellow. it probably caps at AE3 for yellow, meaning it will get significantly more powerful by the time it's capped for yellow.

@yrsillar, offensive/defensive attributes means 'dex', or does it means 'dex + unarmed'?

Dex. I need to clarify the worm thing a bit more I think, so look forward to that when I finally get to the task of making fixes and updating the front page.

@yrsillar: So, I don't know if you were ever asked this, but if we had rolled to respond really well when Meizhen kissed us, would it have meant we handled it better, or could it have meant the feelings were reciprocated? Asking mostly to punish myself, if it were the latter, even if I suspect it is the former.

While I suspect Ling Qi is strictly hetero, I struggle to understand it as, while I am more to the heterosexual side of it, I'm actually demisexual. So, for me, the relationship is far more important than the gender for attraction. If I had a close friend that was male who was in love with me, I could return the feelings more than with a physically attractive woman that I didn't know well.

Again, not sure if this is something that has been asked and answered that I just missed among the many thread posts. If it was previously answered, sorry to repeat the question. It's just something I have wondered for a while that I finally decided I would rather know than continue to wonder. (It doesn't help that, as the person that Ling Qi was closest to for so long, I'm getting jealous of how close Meizhen is getting to Cai on Ling Qi's behalf. )

Ling Qi is not in a great space for any sort of intimate relationship period, for all that she shows the occasional flare of puberty around guys she finds attractive. There was pretty much no situation in which that would have went well.

So, I've got a lot of new things to work into my simulations...

@yrsillar a few questions on AE and Breath:
  • As has already been asked, what exactly are the conditions for AE's qi recovery and the stacking bonus?
  • What are our dice on AE? What stat do we use? Is there any mastery that applies? How do spiritual attacks work dicewise if they aren't using weapons?
  • To check: Breath lasts for 4 turns total? Initial attack - tick 1 - tick 2 - tick 3?
  • Do Breath's ticks count as an attack since there is a clash there? Would they add a multi-attacker debuff and increase Encircling Winds' buff?
  • So the worm's dicepool is dex + 5 + tech? So 14 total? Or are they using another stat?
  • Based on the descriptions, my guess would be that Breath interrupts playing, but that Crawling Horror doesn't... Is this correct?
  • I assume the armor degradation is durability loss? Because I could also read that as a debuff to armor value.
1. already answered. Stacking bonus can get to five in one turn if enough people are hit, and counts stuff like dissonance. It decays after the next turn though, so you need to keep hitting people to keep it.
2. AE uses Int as its attack stat. You'll start ranking up the 'unarmed' mastery for spirit now that you have it... Should probably give you a point now honestly
3. Yes
4. Yes
5. Yeah this is right, I'll make clear that they add the tech dots in place of a mastery
6. Yes
7. Yes

I don't think that's right actually.

CG only gives us tech dice on the first turn because it's actually a just a buff. It doesn't proc clashes on its own, but we can cast it as a defensive technique, in which case it adds tech dice to our current defensive roll.

After that though, it's just around as a buff - not a technique 'being used'.

Dissonance and AE however are techniques that are actively procing clashes on the enemy. From reading the mechanics section, I would assume that their tech dice would apply.

@yrsillar ?

Yeah, that is how it works.

@yrsillar how does the sound attack from FVM work, exactly? Is it procced from ANY art that we use, as long as we're within 10 meters? Or is it any art that procs an offensive clash?

Even if it's the latter, that still means a large portion of our arts ALSO procs bonus damage from FVM, making us the DPS KING.

It functions as a melee attack, which means you can use anything that functions with a nonspecific melee attack.



@Arkeus
You know what, I'm just going to put this whole thing to bed. @yrsillar does taking these three minor actions:

--[] Minor: You need to speak with Meizhen, about Cai's offer and the future in general
-[] Minor: Find the time for a chat with Guangli, even if he is biased, he's probably the one who knows Cai best
-[] Minor: Spend some time around Cai Renxiang, what does she actually do all day

Somehow overload Ling Qi or give her a penalty to learning about CRX?

No, that mechanic is for doubling up on cultivation. It might affect how Ling Qi behaves a bit though, since it shows that she's pretty worked up about it.

Anyway, now I do edits and updates. Wish me luck doods
 
[X] Plan Find Meridians

Has everything I want, so no issues.

I don't see the point of Suling music minor. We just caped FVM, what is it going to help with beyond Social Link ?
A few elements:
-It's been repeatedly highlighted that cultivation involves more than just Arts and combat applicability. Ling Qi is impeded in her musical development because she's been treating it more like a tool than a passion.

-Observe that FVM has variant songs. We got one off Zeqing, but it ALSO involved truly FEELING the song, not just being very good at the technical skill portion. This would be progress towards opening up more parts of the song than the lost and alone portion.

-Oh and we now have attacks running off our Manipulation/Expression scores, which music work would increase.

-Ling Qi has been also noted to be hideously uncultured, to the extent she couldn't understand why you might want to read for leisure. The Dreaming Moon disapproves.


That was not okay. That hurt, actually, reading it. For all Ling Qi has resolved to never be so alone again, that loneliness is integral to her personality and mental/spiritual integrity. Ow.
Worth noting that our strong Darkness element probably reinforced it a bit.

Holy shit, these are amazing. Music Special Element means that anti-Thunder defenses don't work on Ling Qi's music arts, which is godly because music arts aren't popular and very little people are going to bother specifically getting defenses against music when they could get defenses against Thunder and (regular) music both. Especially since Ling Qi doesn't even have to turn regular music arts into using Music element to get the benefits: she just needs to keep FVM, one of her best arts, always equipped.
Plus, I'm very interested in how the Music meridian would influence her personality. It's something to do with emotions and expressing yourself after all.

Something which ironically Ling Qi is rather limited at.
Eww, Meizhan must hate the worms; she's a pure maiden that can't be touched by the filth of base earth!
Meizhen: "Ling Qi, did you HAVE to use worms like in those lurid and most inappropriate novels?"
I wonder what Gu Xiulan is going to work Linhuo into, though? As a Heaven Spark Fairy, she is a fire-starter at heart, but Xiulan's using her as a fire-eater now. Furthermore, Xiulan wants a boon companion, who will stay by her side always (see: Han Jian, Ling Qi in Xiulan's interlude), and one who will fulfill her ambitions of dominating her home power structure. We see that in how Linhuo encouraged Xiulan to complete her tribulation, so I suppose Linhuo will develop into an enabler-type personality?
Sounds rather like a Spirit of Inspiration?


@yrsillar: So, I don't know if you were ever asked this, but if we had rolled to respond really well when Meizhen kissed us, would it have meant we handled it better, or could it have meant the feelings were reciprocated? Asking mostly to punish myself, if it were the latter, even if I suspect it is the former.

While I suspect Ling Qi is strictly hetero, I struggle to understand it as, while I am more to the heterosexual side of it, I'm actually demisexual. So, for me, the relationship is far more important than the gender for attraction. If I had a close friend that was male who was in love with me, I could return the feelings more than with a physically attractive woman that I didn't know well.

Again, not sure if this is something that has been asked and answered that I just missed among the many thread posts. If it was previously answered, sorry to repeat the question. It's just something I have wondered for a while that I finally decided I would rather know than continue to wonder. (It doesn't help that, as the person that Ling Qi was closest to for so long, I'm getting jealous of how close Meizhen is getting to Cai on Ling Qi's behalf. )
I suspect rolling better would have involved signaling Meizhen before she moves in for the kill that she's not good with surprise intimacy.

It's not procced from arts. It's a weapon attack, and can be used with any weapon tech that works with musical arts.

At the moment, we have none.
As far as I can tell it works with any musical, generic ranged arts, or weapon agnostic art.
We've theorized that Argent Current would be weapon agnostic, like the Ash art.
Honestly, the option to be a vassal to CRX, since vassalhood seems inevitable, is so good it sets off my game-balance alarms. But maybe the advantages are just offset by equally stronger enemies?
Being left carrying the bag when/if the elder Cai ascends and leaves just the one daughter to be her house.

Powerful enemies, ironically, won't be that big an issue until then. Being a Cai vassal also means that most big players can't make direct plays for fear of triggering something too big. We'd be seeing a lot of feudal jockeying at the low levels, and Cai's biggest avenue of conflict is liable to be first and foremost intrigue in nature.

I seem to recall that yrsillar has said that most of our friends besides Meizhen find it a bit weird and potentially excessive. Or something like that.

Meizhen just think its normal.

Pretty much. Ling Qi spends basically all her time training. She even fits time with her friends in as training, she fits her hobby in as training, she turns every bit of the money she gets into either tools or more training....
 
So why do people want to meet with Han Jian? I get the music and the shaman bag, but the HJ action seems like it could be switched to the Cai action and make everyone happy
 
So why do people want to meet with Han Jian? I get the music and the shaman bag, but the HJ action seems like it could be switched to the Cai action and make everyone happy
Alas, nothing is ever that simple. The Han Jian action is to acquire Argent Storm, an Argent art that may or may not be decent. The reason to get it this week is so we know what meridians we need to open next week, in order to train it the week after.

The timings could be different, but people are thinking of training it in the next 2 to 3 weeks with an eightfold path pill which will give us tremendous benefits with little effort.
 
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