Anno used common enough things to make it easy to relate. A lot of it just being him probably.
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I can't believe i forgot about this but did you guys know Darling In The Franxx actually inspired a New York Times Bestselling novel? With said novel being basically Eva and a few other series added? And i am pretty sure the basic mechanic of the novels "Eva", where two people pilot the thing and grant it a power based on their bond, was actually brought up in this Thread long ago. Like before Covid long ago. Can't recall who brought it up. i think a group of people hashed it out, and it eventually started to sound like a male power fantasy to someone, and in response someone else said give Asuka a harem. With one person in said harem being Hikari. This ringing any bells for anyone else?
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Well...
I remember this part of the conversation. Though I don't remember if this was before or after I decided to finally make an account and comment and stuff, I DO remember this conversation...because it was in the early days of Darling in the FRANXX airing where, as far as I remember, people were saying it was good, and thus I had it under "might see this anime one day". So I was surprised when, looking into DitF years later, it wasn't considered as good anymore. Don't remember much else about it though.
I am curious about this though. What's the name of the novel?
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Iron Widow. It's a Chinese historical fantasy story that's part political thriller, part giant robot anime and part character investigation
Also has some of the only Polyam rep I've seen, and it's done pretty damn well too.
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... ... ...I think i was part of it, though i can't recall what. It was so long ago.
They had an article for it on Anime News Network. Here:
How DARLING in the FRANXX Inspired a New York Times Bestselling YA Novel
In the four years since it first aired, DARLING in the FRANXX has had an unexpectedly long tail, inspiring even the likes of Kim Kardashian to dye her hair. Devout anime lover Xiran Jay Zhao found the sci-fi story a launch point for their bestseller Iron Widow.
Also what's a Polyam? ...Polyamory?
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Ployamory yeah.... ... ...I think i was part of it, though i can't recall what. It was so long ago.
They had an article for it on Anime News Network. Here:
How DARLING in the FRANXX Inspired a New York Times Bestselling YA Novel
In the four years since it first aired, DARLING in the FRANXX has had an unexpectedly long tail, inspiring even the likes of Kim Kardashian to dye her hair. Devout anime lover Xiran Jay Zhao found the sci-fi story a launch point for their bestseller Iron Widow.www.animenewsnetwork.com
Also what's a Polyam? ...Polyamory?
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The year everything goes bottoms up. Thankfully, we don't (seem to) have a global conspiracy plotting to end the world by New Years'/this time next year.
Jokes on you, SEELE! The real world is already screwed without your help!
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I'm more amazed that not only did someone else come up with the same idea on her own, but she made it into a best seller. Even more so that quite a few of the other ideas are from other series, yet still come off as quite unique anyway.
...But i thought SEELE wanted to kick start human evolution?The year everything goes bottoms up. Thankfully, we don't (seem to) have a global conspiracy plotting to end the world by New Years'/this time next year.
Jokes on you, SEELE! The real world is already screwed without your help!
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One thing I noticed in Eva fics is that when Seele is said to have been put on trial, the trial is never shown. That being said, I imagine it goes something like this.
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II still say the only flaw with DiTF is that the ending was crammed into 6 episodes and the twist was not foreshadowed well enough. The show really needed to be two seasons, with season 1 ending with the revelation that the SEELE analogue was not from Earth. There would then be a natural shift over time from Earth to space instead of springing it all on the audience at once.
I expect the other issue is that people went into this series expecting an action anime, and got a romantic drama instead. Then when it shifted suddenly back to action at the end it was just too much for them. Again, a shift in tone between seasons would probably have been more acceptable.
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Blast from the past. I had that even happened in the series. And i used to watch it whenever it was on whenever i could.
...So DiTF is pretty much Eva, just replace psychological issues with sexual repression and discovery? ...Wonder what would happen to the Pilots in that scenario? ...Would we finally get the Israfel Special we were promised?
Only if Rei's fish got to join in. ...I would read that at least once in context of DiTF.
Well, wanting immortality isn't insane really. Its probably necessary if you want to do something like solve the Riemann Hypothesis or figure out the origin of the universe or whatever. We humans kind of live in a state of having to figure out from scratch everything people before us learned and then make some contribution, make kids to continue the process and then get too old to do anything and die. And that's the best scenario. We aren't going to get far with mere 70-80 years of life, so its a no-brainer to at least extend it a few orders of magnitude if possible.
Not that SEELE is really responsible enough to do such things.
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I think this may loop back to a chronic problem in Japanese fiction translated into English: they have a word that keeps getting translated as 'evolution' when in fact it would be more accurately translated as 'progression' or 'development.'
Pokemon "evolving" is perhaps the most famous example of this, with cute little Charmander being effectively a baby form of the big tough Charzard. It's clear what is meant if we say that Charmander progresses or develops into Charzard, but you can't really say that Charmander "evolves" without doing some real violence to the definition of "evolution" as understood in biological science.
Desiring to use esoteric bioscience to turn yourself into an immortal doesn't make a lot of sense as the next step in "evolution" in the Origin of Species sense... but it sure makes sense as the final step in the "development" or "progression" of a being.
Pokemon "evolving" is perhaps the most famous example of this, with cute little Charmander being effectively a baby form of the big tough Charzard. It's clear what is meant if we say that Charmander progresses or develops into Charzard, but you can't really say that Charmander "evolves" without doing some real violence to the definition of "evolution" as understood in biological science.
Desiring to use esoteric bioscience to turn yourself into an immortal doesn't make a lot of sense as the next step in "evolution" in the Origin of Species sense... but it sure makes sense as the final step in the "development" or "progression" of a being.
Well, evolution is just a word, it has no need to be connected to what Darwin codified as the reason why species change over time(i.e traits get preserved over time that have the best likelihood of making its bearer survive and reproduce) by some fiat. Europeans (mis)use the word in ways that have nothing to with Darwin.
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Well yeah, but if we're going to discuss anime and manga in English, the specific issue of that translation problem becomes more relevant.
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I like to say (I think I even made that point here once) that Evangelion is Giant Robots powered by teenage angst and depression, Eureka Seven is Giant Robots powered by teenage love and romance, and Darling in the FranXX is Giant Robots powered by teenage horniness and sexual innuendo.
More seriously, Evangelion is clearly about how the failure to communicate and be intimate with your partner can kill a relationship. End of Evangelion takes that to its logical extreme; the characters' flaws and inability to support each other literally brings about the end of the world. Eureka Seven and DiTF both seems like an answer to that to me, they both show how being open with your partner and sharing your burdens with them can save not only the relationship, but the whole world. The main difference is that where Eureka Seven shows an overall healthy relationship that overcomes external threats, DiTF is about a relationship that is UNhealthy, like the relationship between Shinji and Asuka in Eva.
Hiro and Zero Two work out their differences and earn their happy ending not because they are in love, but because they come to understand each other, and are able to forgive each other for their mistakes. Even when they are not able to forgive themselves. (Especially in Zero Two's case) It's a bit deeper than the relationship between Renton and Eureka, plus it's also a LOT more sexual in nature. The "piloting as sex" metaphor is really blatant. And Zero Two KNOWS it's a metaphor, I might add. That's a large part of her charm.
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I'm guessing that makes Macross/Robotech giant robots powered by pop/rock music.I like to say (I think I even made that point here once) that Evangelion is Giant Robots powered by teenage angst and depression, Eureka Seven is Giant Robots powered by teenage love and romance, and Darling in the FranXX is Giant Robots powered by teenage horniness and sexual innuendo.
More seriously, Evangelion is clearly about how the failure to communicate and be intimate with your partner can kill a relationship. End of Evangelion takes that to its logical extreme; the characters' flaws and inability to support each other literally brings about the end of the world. Eureka Seven and DiTF both seems like an answer to that to me, they both show how being open with your partner and sharing your burdens with them can save not only the relationship, but the whole world. The main difference is that where Eureka Seven shows an overall healthy relationship that overcomes external threats, DiTF is about a relationship that is UNhealthy, like the relationship between Shinji and Asuka in Eva.
Hiro and Zero Two work out their differences and earn their happy ending not because they are in love, but because they come to understand each other, and are able to forgive each other for their mistakes. Even when they are not able to forgive themselves. (Especially in Zero Two's case) It's a bit deeper than the relationship between Renton and Eureka, plus it's also a LOT more sexual in nature. The "piloting as sex" metaphor is really blatant. And Zero Two KNOWS it's a metaphor, I might add. That's a large part of her charm.
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Yep, although ironically I was never into Macross to the extent I've gotten into Eva and DiTF.
I say ironically because I was a big fan of Gatchaman, Speed Racer, and the Giant Robot shows that were packaged as "Force Five" in the US. I skipped the whole Robotech/Gundam era because I burned out on Anime in the 80's, only to get back into it with Slayers and Ranma 1/2.
And yeah, the whole Gundam series is (not) giant robots powered by politics.
Then what's that make the Brave series?
I can already say Dai-Guard is giant robots powered by office culture.
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Giant robots powered by exaggerated youthful ambitions about what is and is not possible with sufficient determination?
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How apt would this be to Asuka and Shinji in Advice and Trust?
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nEGTYvTwz4s
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