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Advice and Trust [NGE]

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Mack said:
So where is it?
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The Alaskan branch is located in Quebec, Canada :V
At least it was.
Until one of the Lulamoon's got their hands on it :V

BaraccaZero said:
So, another thing that I wanted to ask was what do you think that Gendo's plan is going to be? Because the ending of the last chapter was ominous.
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The same it's always been. Bring about Instrumentality.

How he does it may or may not have changed, depending on what's going on.
Of course, we know A&T!Gendo has botched plans before. His own bullheadedness almost ended the world during the Zeruel fight, so that may factor in once again. Perhaps using this other Rei won't work due to not having the soul of Rei, or he'll get himself killed trying to kill one of the pilots.
Needless to say, if you were to make a dead pool of characters in A&T, Gendo would be the equivalent of a government bond with how safe a bet it is :V
 
BG_Character_592 said:
The same it's always been. Bring about Instrumentality.

How he does it may or may not have changed, depending on what's going on.
Of course, we know A&T!Gendo has botched plans before. His own bullheadedness almost ended the world during the Zeruel fight, so that may factor in once again. Perhaps using this other Rei won't work due to not having the soul of Rei, or he'll get himself killed trying to kill one of the pilots.
Needless to say, if you were to make a dead pool of characters in A&T, Gendo would be the equivalent of a government bond with how safe a bet it is :V
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My idea was that he would first arrest or kill his opposition with Section 2, let Kaworu be killed by his Rei (my theory is that ReiQ has the soul of Rei I while the Rei of the pilots has the soul of Rei II) and then initiate Instrumentality with her.
Of course, this being Gendo, he'll fail.
Why?
In Chapter 10, Kaworu did a cross-synch test with Unit 00 in which, if I remember correctly, Kaworu made a promise to Rei I to not go angel, and when Unit 00 self destructed, Rei I felt all of the emotions that Rei II had for Kaworu, so when the time comes for her to kill him, she'll refuse or give enough time to the pilots to save Kaworu.
of course this could be my mind creating patterns that don't exist anywhere.
 
I like your idea BaraccaZero. Here are some ideas I thought up.

-Good Rei will have the lion's share of the soul compared to ReiQ. This would make ReiQ weaker than good Rei.
-Gendo upon seeing his plan to eliminate Kaworu implode in his face, will fuse Adam into himself if he did not do so already.
-Gendo with Adam fused into him will attempt to directly fuse with Rei. This will result in a battle between Gendo and Rei.

I imagine such a battle would go something like this.

 
Vajrei said:
I like your idea BaraccaZero. Here are some ideas I thought up.

-Good Rei will have the lion's share of the soul compared to ReiQ. This would make ReiQ weaker than good Rei.
-Gendo upon seeing his plan to eliminate Kaworu implode in his face, will fuse Adam into himself if he did not do so already.
-Gendo with Adam fused into him will attempt to directly fuse with Rei. This will result in a battle between Gendo and Rei.

I imagine such a battle would go something like this.

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So... Gendo will be the final boss of Advice and Trust?

Asuka: Fuck, where do I input the Konami Code?!
 
I believe the final battle will be a three way battle between The protagonists, Gendo and Seele. The final boss would depend on which goes dow first.
 
Vajrei said:
I believe the final battle will be a three way battle between The protagonists, Gendo and Seele. The final boss would depend on which goes dow first.
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Whichever one doesn't drop first becomes the Very Definitely Final Boss. You know, the one that, when you think you've killed the final boss and are about to celebrate, shows up and is like 'lol no now you face me'.
 
MisterHalt said:
So... Gendo will be the final boss of Advice and Trust?
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No, it's going to be SEELE with their MP EVAS.

Vajrei said:
Good Rei will have the lion's share of the soul compared to ReiQ. This would make ReiQ weaker than good Rei
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I think that Rei I and Rei II had an equal share of soul, but Rei II has the advantage because, you know, she has reconnected with Lilith.

Vajrei said:
-Gendo upon seeing his plan to eliminate Kaworu implode in his face, will fuse Adam into himself if he did not do so already.
-Gendo with Adam fused into him will attempt to directly fuse with Rei. This will result in a battle between Gendo and Rei.
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Eh, I think that he knows that if he tried to fuse Adam with Lilith with himself as the mediator, well, his soul will explode.
But I think the problem won't be Gendo, it'll be Kaworu.
 
MisterHalt said:
Whichever one doesn't drop first becomes the Very Definitely Final Boss. You know, the one that, when you think you've killed the final boss and are about to celebrate, shows up and is like 'lol no now you face me'.
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So either we get the Chronicles outcome where the cast stage a coup and take out Gendo, followed by SEELE rocking up, or they deal with SEELE, only to realize "Oh shit, there's Gendo!", and have to stop his last desperate attempt to get his way (because like hell Rei's going to help him, and somehow I feel that Rei IV probably won't either, in the end).
 
BaraccaZero said:
No, it's going to be SEELE with their MP EVAS.


I think that Rei I and Rei II had an equal share of soul, but Rei II has the advantage because, you know, she has reconnected with Lilith.


Eh, I think that he knows that if he tried to fuse Adam with Lilith with himself as the mediator, well, his soul will explode.
But I think the problem won't be Gendo, it'll be Kaworu.
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I believe that Gendo would fuse Adam with him self if absolutely driven into a corner. Another detail I thought up is that his subordinates will abandon him when they see how crazy he truly is.
 
Vajrei said:
I believe that Gendo would fuse Adam with him self if absolutely driven into a corner. Another detail I thought up is that his subordinates will abandon him when they see how crazy he truly is.
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I can easily see Fuyutsuki jumping ship, no matter how loyal he's seemed to be, if it became apparent that Yui were strongly against whatever Gendo is planning to get her back.
Then again, he might want her back just as much, so...
 
Vajrei said:
Another detail I thought up is that his subordinates will abandon him when they see how crazy he truly is.
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And this is why he's going to do a preemptive strike against the major threats to his plan. The only ally that he has left is Fuyutsuki (and even he isn't that joyful about Gendo's plan) and most of Section 2 is under SEELE's paycheck.

Wixelt said:
I can easily see Fuyutsuki jumping ship, no matter how loyal he's seemed to be, if it became apparent that Yui were strongly against whatever Gendo is planning to get her back.
Then again, he might want her back just as much, so...
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I mean, He could but who knows?

But now that I think of it, did Shinji see Rei Quantum apparition at the start of A&T.
 
BaraccaZero said:
But now that I think of it, did Shinji see Rei Quantum apparition at the start of A&T.
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I think given that all events prior to the kiss' divergence, with the exception of date differences, happened as in canon, Shinji probably did see "Lilith" Rei and simply hasn't mentioned it, either because it hasn't come up or because he forgot. That said, it's Stryp's fic, so only he knows for sure. :p
 
Wixelt said:
I think given that all events prior to the kiss' divergence, with the exception of date differences, happened as in canon, Shinji probably did see "Lilith" Rei and simply hasn't mentioned it, either because it hasn't come up or because he forgot. That said, it's Stryp's fic, so only he knows for sure. :p
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:o Oh crap, did I just jinx the finale? But now that I think of it (this is purely speculation) would Rei start an Impact to save Kaworu? I mean she has the Ikari Omnicidal Genes in her DNA.
Let's hope Aki doesn't have them :p
 
Mack said:
I just got back from a long trek in the Alaskan wilderness and I have to ask, where would NERV Alaska be? The 1964 earthquake destroyed a large portion of the state, and with how strong third impact is, I don't think the aleutian islands or any of the coastline would survive (I.e. Ancorage, Girdwood, Seward, Homer, Whittier, etc). Further inland would be turned into marshlands by the glaciers melting. Anywhere near Nome would sink due to the Arctic melting. An offshore plant would be nearly impossible due to the earthquakes and the strong sea waves. So where is it?
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Er, in fact areas nearer the poles would see decreased sea levels as the weight of the ice pack drops and the land rises. And there's no reason that Anchorage or other coastal cities in Alaska wouldn't ride out 2nd Impact as Alaska is as ready for large earthquakes and tsunamis as any place along the Ring of Fire - and it's further from Antarctica than about anywhere else to boot.
 
ToothMaker said:
Er, in fact areas nearer the poles would see decreased sea levels as the weight of the ice pack drops and the land rises.
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I believe you on this, but it sounds like some sort of completely incorrect explanation from a disaster B-movie because of how odd it sounds. :p
 
Plus since second impact evaporated Antarctica, I'm not sure how much of a difference the entire antarctic ice sheet melting would have since there's that much more open ocean now.
 
At this point, for how wonky Anno made the worldbuilding, I'm starting to believe that only Japan was affected by the 2I flooding, seriously, cities like Hamburg and Shanghai, which are nearly at sea level survived but the Kanto region no?
 
BaraccaZero said:
At this point, for how wonky Anno made the worldbuilding, I'm starting to believe that only Japan was affected by the 2I flooding, seriously, cities like Hamburg and Shanghai, which are nearly at sea level survived but the Kanto region no?
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There have been several discussions about the state of the world in NGE in this very thread (and I can't even try to count how many there were on the whole SV) and yes, canon is a bit imperfect on the matter. You can try to explain Hamburg and Shanghai as "being rebuilt on the new shore due do administative decisions and PR reasons", but this is a bit questionable due to post-Impact world being in a state of serious crisis (the most likely situation is that cities closest to the new shore would assume the role of the new ports and roll with that).

Long story short, if you need to determine what is flooded and what is not for a story, just calculate (or assume) how many meters did the seas rise (I remember calculating it myself and I believe something around 20m is reasonable) and use one of the available Internet resources to see what would that do to the shorelines. If it's a canon inconsistency that bothers you... well, there's not much to do about it - except perhaps assume character error or creator blunder (very likely, as at the time of NGE creation, the calculations we have access now were either non-existant or a very specialized climatology knowledge).
 
Boreas Anemos said:
There have been several discussions about the state of the world in NGE in this very thread (and I can't even try to count how many there were on the whole SV) and yes, canon is a bit imperfect on the matter. You can try to explain Hamburg and Shanghai as "being rebuilt on the new shore due do administative decisions and PR reasons", but this is a bit questionable due to post-Impact world being in a state of serious crisis (the most likely situation is that cities closest to the new shore would assume the role of the new ports and roll with that)
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You know ever since i watched that episode where Asuka first was introduced(...or at least i think it was that) and saw those buildings under water i can't help but wonder would it be possible for those in Eva to make those building livable. I mean surely they have the tech to at the least make it possible. Then i can't help but wonder how many place have done something similar, if only on the serfice of the water.
or creator blunder (very likely, as at the time of NGE creation, the calculations we have access now were either non-existant or a very specialized climatology knowledge).
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And to be fair he is a writer, not a mathematician. Even if he had access to the info we have today there's still going to be a lot of data/things to keep track of. So holes are very likely to appear in some way. Heck, i have trouble adding or subtracting nowadays without a calculator. Given the sheer scale Anno is working with? I give him an A for at least trying.
 
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