One thing to consider is that Gendo needs Rei for his scenario. He either has some way to get her back, or will respond very badly to this whole situation.
 
Well Seele blew up the Rei vending machine, and given how he reacted to her death, the inside of his mind is probably screaming nonstop.

Or doing this:

 
One thing to consider is that Gendo needs Rei for his scenario. He either has some way to get her back, or will respond very badly to this whole situation.

Personally, I think he's going to try and use Kaworu as his "control stick" for Third Impact, as some sort of botched replacement for Rei. I have no idea how well that would turn out, but desperation breeds stupidity unlike anything else, and Gendo is pretty bloody desperate right now.

Mate, just because your Duracells have gone bust, doesn't mean you start trying to ram fish into the empty battery slots like a mentally stunted gorilla.
 
He stuck his head in through the hatch. The Fifth Child simply sat in his command seat, staring straight ahead. His eyes glowed faintly red.

Gendo merely nodded.
Welp
He opened his mouth. "Tell me, Pilot Nagisa... do you miss her?"

Kaworu's head slowly turned to let his eyes meet Gendo's. There was little sanity in them. The Entry Plug began to rumble slightly.

"Does it hurt?" Gendo continued with no change of tone. "Would you do anything to get her back?"

The rumbling stopped. "......what?" It was barely more than a whisper.
YES.
"I would like to make you an offer. A deal, perhaps. You see... I have an idea. And we now have something in common."


I think I will have popcorn when reading the next update, I like were the story is going.
 
Oh. That makes sense.
I've just recently entered the community, and I haven't watched anime, so I don't quite understand what Instrumentality entails.
Would you still be you to receive the hugs if everyone is you? Does it mean that you would be hugging yourself? Wouldn't it be even more depressing?
And other philosophycal questions. :lol
Well, you can probably find clips of End of Evangelion on Youtube or such, but don't look if you don't want massive spoilers. For our purposes here, Instrumentality was SEELE's plot to collapse all souls into one mass, with themselves in control. Gendo planned to hijack it with him at the wheel, using Rei as a medium. So everyone on Earth got to see a sending of Rei come to collect their soul, though most people saw someone they loved or trusted instead of Rei Ayanami. Fuyutsuki and Gendo saw Yui, Lieutenant Hyuga saw Misato, Maya sees Ritsuko, etc. The sending of Rei hugs them, and cancels their AT-Field, causing them to... suddenly become a blob of LCL with no form. 'They turned into Tang' is the usual description.
You can see a few of them here:

Just realized something alarming from this snippet/scenario (beyond, you know, the prospect of Gendo and Kaworu scheming together to get their loved ones back)... Gendo recognizing Kaworu's feelings for Rei implicitly means he knows Rei has been lying to him about Kaworu's feelings regarding her. How long has he known? :o

How long indeed...

Just to be clear, this snip is not canon. It's just a little snip to show what Gendo might do. Does anyone think this isn't completely in character for him? To hit someone when they're this vulnerable, right on the weak spot? To twist their pain towards helping Gendo get what he wants and needs? He did it to Naoko. He did it to Fuyutsuki. He did it to Ritsuko. He did it to Rei and Shinji and Touji and everyone in the world. He would not hesitate a nanosecond to do it to Kaworu too, if he knew and thought it would get him what he desperately desires.
Stryp, are you trying to scare us away from romance? Because if love makes you evil in the Evaverse then it will be better for the pilots to remain single until everything is over.
Love is powerful. It has made Shinji and Asuka an unstoppable combat team, more powerful than they've ever been. It gave Tabris a way to fight his nature. It gave Misato and Kaji a reason to pull Kaji back from his suicidal course. It gave Ritsuko hope for redemption. It gave Gendo a cause to burn the whole world for. Gendo knows how powerful it is. And there is no power in the world he will not use to get his love back.

To Gendo, love is both a goal, and a tool.

To the Pilots and the others, it is a reason to live at all.

We'll see who wins.
 
If love makes you evil, then Gendo's fucked. Shinji and Asuka love each other. They loved Rei. Now they've lost Rei. And there's only one target they can aim at...

Except it's not Gendo's fault? Hell, if he had his way he obviously wouldn't have sacrificed Rei. Blame Armisael, if it wasn't vaporised atoms at this point.

Or you know, SEELE. They need shooting anyway, and they did break the Rei vending machine on top of that.
 
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Nah, Gendo doesn't understand love. If he did, his every waking moment would be devoted to protecting Shinji and providing a future for him, as Yui would most likely have wanted. Obsession on the other hand...
 
Nah, Gendo doesn't understand love. If he did, his every waking moment would be devoted to protecting Shinji and providing a future for him, as Yui would most likely have wanted. Obsession on the other hand...

There's a decent distinction between understanding love and actually having it. Gendo could easily understand how love works, and thus be able to exploit it, while simultaneously not having any love for Shinji or Rei or really anyone other than Yui.
 
Nah, Gendo doesn't understand love. If he did, his every waking moment would be devoted to protecting Shinji and providing a future for him, as Yui would most likely have wanted. Obsession on the other hand...
Exactly. If he was any sort of decent father he would have taken care of Shinji and make sure Third Impact didn't happen.
 
Nah, Gendo doesn't understand love. If he did, his every waking moment would be devoted to protecting Shinji and providing a future for him, as Yui would most likely have wanted. Obsession on the other hand...
Gendo does love Shinji, and it's actually tragic since forr him, Shinji is both something he doesn't deserve and a hope he fears.

The first is more explained in EoE, Gendo himself has a very low sense of self-worth, much like Shinji did at the start, thus the very idea of being loved by someone else is something he doesn't feel worthy of and thus he keeps his distance from him so as to keep him from doing a mistake in loving him.

The latter is more of a headcanon that ties in with his relationship with Yui: to him, Yui was the only person that ever loved him for who he was, both past and present and he loves her to the extreme of breaking the world to see her again; then comes Shinji, his son, the other person in the world who also loved him at first without condition, that alone also means that Yui is not the only person who could grow to love him for who he is rather than what people think he is, in fact, if his son could, couldn't also other people?

Thus, Shinji became a sign of something he didn't want to face: the idea that others might love him too, that there might have been another women in the world who could have grown to love him much like Yui did, not to mention the friends he could have made or the others he might have mentored. "Might" being the key word here that would be the trigger of his fear, for just as he could have found someone else, there was also the possibility that nobody, even his son, would love him at the end, which would also contribute to him buying to Seele's plan.
 
Gendo does love Shinji, and it's actually tragic since forr him, Shinji is both something he doesn't deserve and a hope he fears.

The first is more explained in EoE, Gendo himself has a very low sense of self-worth, much like Shinji did at the start, thus the very idea of being loved by someone else is something he doesn't feel worthy of and thus he keeps his distance from him so as to keep him from doing a mistake in loving him.

The latter is more of a headcanon that ties in with his relationship with Yui: to him, Yui was the only person that ever loved him for who he was, both past and present and he loves her to the extreme of breaking the world to see her again; then comes Shinji, his son, the other person in the world who also loved him at first without condition, that alone also means that Yui is not the only person who could grow to love him for who he is rather than what people think he is, in fact, if his son could, couldn't also other people?

Thus, Shinji became a sign of something he didn't want to face: the idea that others might love him too, that there might have been another women in the world who could have grown to love him much like Yui did, not to mention the friends he could have made or the others he might have mentored. "Might" being the key word here that would be the trigger of his fear, for just as he could have found someone else, there was also the possibility that nobody, even his son, would love him at the end, which would also contribute to him buying to Seele's plan.
Adding on to this: If Gendo accepts that people other than Yui can love him, then why do they not? This places Gendo's pain and loneliness back on himself. That kind of thought is something the human mind is VERY resistant to accept, which further explains why Gendo acts like a massive cunt (if you'll pardon my language): By driving others away, he can more easily delude himself into thinking that people who are capable of genuinely loving each other are the exception, rather than the norm.
 
Gendo does love Shinji, and it's actually tragic since forr him, Shinji is both something he doesn't deserve and a hope he fears.
In the Series, yes. In the Manga he tells Shinji to his face during EoE that he hates Shinji for taking Yui's love away from being solely for him.


Manga!Gendo is an asshole.

A page later he does discuss how his life was nothing but hate and suffering... until Yui loved him. All was right with the world. And then she was taken away from him.
 
In the Series, yes. In the Manga he tells Shinji to his face during EoE that he hates Shinji for taking Yui's love away from being solely for him.


Manga!Gendo is an asshole.

A page later he does discuss how his life was nothing but hate and suffering... until Yui loved him. All was right with the world. And then she was taken away from him.
Even then, he looks like that, even as he's saying it, he knows that's not the whole truth. That he's fully aware of how threadbare that excuse is. The pauses, the uncertain words, he's forcing himself to say that. He wants Shinji to hate him, so he can justify hating himself and his refusal to move past Yui's death. To not need to worry about sending his son away, because he's getting what he deserves in return.

But maybe I'm full of shit.
 
In the Series, yes. In the Manga he tells Shinji to his face during EoE that he hates Shinji for taking Yui's love away from being solely for him.


Manga!Gendo is an asshole.

A page later he does discuss how his life was nothing but hate and suffering... until Yui loved him. All was right with the world. And then she was taken away from him.

I always imagine Manga Gendo's voice as Skeletor, and it makes every scene with him a lot better.
 
FTFY.

Also I assumed by "his best friend" you meant Luke's best friend and not Vader's. Pronouns are not always your friend.
Eh, there are more mistakes in my post than just this one.:p
Also, I was categorizing Vader's crimes in distinctive categories, so I assumed it would clear up the whole "pronoun" thingy.
And well, I've just finished the A&T marathon, and I was a little sleepy and more than a little pissed at Strypgia for taking the waff away. Strypgia! :mad:
I'm chill, I'm chill. "Sniff". Gonna go find some ice cream.
 
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