Think bigger, can do it to stracarver instead. Sniper rifles are heavy weapons.
A Different Breed (Warhammer 29K)
The bit in the Masque of Frozen Stars' write-up where it says they exterminate non-Eldar worlds for Cegorach's amusement strongly suggests that he is actually actively genocidal, as it pleases him.
Cegorach seems to actively direct the Masques. If there's one whose mission is is to exterminate all non-Eldar, I think that's because their god told them to do it.
I mean, another of the Masques, the Veiled Path, helped with Vect's ascension to rule Commaroagh. They're not human friendly.
The Masque of Frozen Stars is a lot nastier than Biel Tan. Biel Tan just wants to return to the Pre-Fall status quote where the Eldar were the most powerful sapient species in the galaxy but other species could go about their business undisturbed as long as they didn't challenge the Eldar. Biel Tan doesn't care what other races do as long as they don't intrude on what Biel Tan considers Eldar property.
The Masque of Frozen Stars wants to kill them all for the sin of being non-Eldar. They actually are xenocidal, Imperium style.
They're also noted to be close to Alaitoc, not Biel Tan.
As a side note, there's some evidence that the Harlequins believe that the souls of those they kill are sent to Cegorach for him to make use of, strengthening him or for use as raw material for weapons. That would be quite an incentive for things like killijg Hive Worlds.
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i think the moot comes first. mechanis mentioned wanting the event to happen over the weekend, and we are practically there now.
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remember there is supposed to be a vote to decide what subject we start the moot on. my guess is that Saim-Han as a Major Craft world are going to air all of Vile-Tan's dirty laundry first, which is probably a mix of us being respectful and simple protocol. otherwise there is so many political aspects to outline that it needs it's own update.
Professor Vesca
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We should probably do the curses second after we get Biel-Tan humiliation out of the way. We don't want it to be the focus of the moot. The curses take priority and we want that to be the thing we are all talking about.
Like Biel-Tans activities are important. But we shouldn't let it distract from the reason we called everyone here in the first place.
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ahh no. that's not our show. I'm saying Saim-han is probably going first because of status reasons and them being the one all these worlds are gathering to back up accusation. we aren't even aware of what has been stolen.
there is likely a lot of Nuance to the Order we reveal these in. we'll have to wait for the update to find out what those are.
Professor Vesca
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I mean we are the ones who called the moot in the first place. Everyone assumes we are here to complain about Biel-Tan but they don't actually know why we called it. Therefore theoretically we get to set the agenda, although yes Saim-Hann gets to go first.
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Do people have something in mind for the order of things?
The way we redeived them in the doot seems to make most sense, in escalating order of difficulty.
The way we redeived them in the doot seems to make most sense, in escalating order of difficulty.
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I'm of three minds about things.
the first is Harlequins advice. being true to ourselves, or rather, to character creation. start with the curse of Slaanesh. we offended Alaitoc by insisting more needed to be done to combat the curse, Beil-Tan by insisting things couldn't go back to the way they were, and earned Saim-Han's respect by charting our own course. a mixed bag really, but starting on the most dangerous curse rather than the easiest, and also the one that greatly validates our factions political stance maybe best.
but their are the hot heads to consider. the people liable to run off and throw there lives away trying to immediately rescue Isha. it might be best to reveal Isha lives first and then dump a bunch of cold water over there heads with the rest of our news before finishing with the good news that thanks to Khane we've avoided the worst. fire them up, put out that fire, and then scrub away the somber mood with an taste of victory in the ashes moment.
but we could keep things simple and lay things out academically as a series of increasingly troublesome problems to solve. it's certainly a safe play, and we do like playing things safe in Warhammer.
their may of course be more nuance to the vote, so let's keep an open mind and assess the next update with a fine comb before we commit.
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Thinking about it, maybe we should start off the Meet proper with the Curses reveal instead?
We tell everyone the main reason we brought them here, and then once we've brought them up to speed we start talking about the need to work together to break the Curses. And then Saim-Hann can bring up Biel-Tann's actions.
We tell everyone the main reason we brought them here, and then once we've brought them up to speed we start talking about the need to work together to break the Curses. And then Saim-Hann can bring up Biel-Tann's actions.
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That may not be an option. Unless they opt not go first I'm pretty sure the agenda of the major craft world takes precedence in the course of the meeting if they have a major subject to discuss.
as I said earlier, there is nuance to any approach, so we shouldn't be looking to commit here. there is probably a reason we need an entire additional update before we vote on it. we should just keep an open mind and assess things as they come.
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I figure we have the advantage of being the primary instigators for calling this meeting in the first place, and Saim-Hann do like us. Plus they already know we support their case against Biel-Tann, so that's not going to be a worry for them if they let us go first.
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To reiterate this, introducing Soul-Forging as a way to protect themselves against Slaanesh even if they do die is something that could dramatically reshape how the Dark Eldar form as a society. They may not become *good*, but they may opt for isolationism instead, and that would be a massive improvement over "literally needs to constantly raid the galaxy for slaves and captives to torture to death in sacrifice to Slaanesh to prolong their own lives".
Just look at the Paths--they suck, everyone knows they suck, but for lack of a better alternative it's what Eldar go with. An alternative of "your soul becomes toxic to Slaanesh, so she won't touch it when you die" sounds pretty damn appealing. Even if you aren't inclined to be good, modifying your soul to become toxic to the Chaos God who would otherwise claim it if you die, a Chaos God you fear/hate, can be enough incentive on its own.
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A lot of people might even *leave* Commorragh if they are presented with an alternative, and we kinda reject the idea of the old Dominion and of going back and also of the Paths of Asuryan, so they are probably going to migrate to our craftworld or our allied craftworlds.
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The success of the soul forging is our ticket to becoming a major craftworld, population wise.
Both the asuryani and the drukhari jumped ship in droves when Ynnead showed up.
I'd we develop something effective against slaanesh that does not require becoming a monk, we should get a significant pop boost from defecting Comorrites as a minimum.
Both the asuryani and the drukhari jumped ship in droves when Ynnead showed up.
I'd we develop something effective against slaanesh that does not require becoming a monk, we should get a significant pop boost from defecting Comorrites as a minimum.
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Question, should we take this to mean the rise of the imperium is even farther off than originally expected because the fall occured centuries earlier, or have we always been accounting for that? also, can we use this time table, 4 decades after the original canonical fall, to narrow down whatever he is afraid of?
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Carnac's tomb world awakened at the end of m41... So it could be that.
Canonically, the great crusade starts 800ish years from now, and we have WOG that the Anatolian will appear in a few centuries, and will spend some time scouting the galaxy before deciding to make his move. that move could be the imperium, but it could be federation 2.0
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We have a long time until the great crusade even comes close to starting.
We know that because there are two things that can change the turn length.
The primarchs getting thrown all over the galaxy is the first event.
The second is us finishing our soul forging before that happens.
Emps took a long time to first unify earth and then close to another 80 years to take the rest of the sol system (Earth was fully unified in 712, great crusade started ~798).
We don't know when the scattering happened but likely a good bit before Terra/Earth was unified as he already started to use space marines towards the end of the unification (purge of the thunder warriors happened in 669 using the first space marines)
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Here, the Fall occurred in 950-968.M29*, but the resulting warp-storms don't just go away, and it will be well into the 30th millennia before things are calm enough for more than very local empires---and of course, the Emperor who Is Not (Yet) is currently dead and scraping up enough power to reincarnate, which you may or may not actually notice happen when it happens depending on currently unknowable factors. The Scattering of the Primarchs, however, will occur "sometime in the mid to late 30th millennia" and be an event even a blind man couldn't miss, so you will definitely know when that happens.
*it took some time to finish the last headlong sprint off the cliff, after all
Professor Vesca
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I actually kinda wanna swing by Terra and pull the Thunder Warriors ass out of that fire, assuming that Big E makes them and then has them all killed as in OTL. I think having an army of super soldiers in your debt would be a useful thing for us to have.
Interlude: An Unexpected Meeting
Mechanis
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Aresh-Vul was not a man given to shock. Pride, perhaps, as so many others of the Aeldari—though for Aresh-Vul as many, feeling his gods cast down one by one, so quickly it seemed almost simultaneous, had gone far in humbling him—yes; anger, yes, for those of his House were often tectonic in temper—slow to rouse, yet cataclysmic and fiery as a volcano once truly angered—but shock was not an emotion shown often.
So when the gleaming war-helm of Lal'c-Tann's leading figure being removed caused him to drop his staff of office in shock, it was, to be said, somewhat out of character. As was his exclamation—
"Nephew‽‽"
For indeed, at the head of Lal'c-Tann's party was his brother-son, Arek-Vet, bearing a great ropy scar that traced from brow to chin—as though some great blade had almost split his face in half. And if his nonchalant "Hello, Uncle. How fares Geal-Vad?" perhaps betrayed a degree of relief unexpected, given the estrangement between Aresh-Vul and his half-brother, well, none there would speak of it.
Aresh-Vul gaped, then visibly composed himself, answering his nephew far more evenly. "Well, he is well. As are his brothers—in truth, nephew, I rely upon them greatly, and they are managing affairs in my absence."
He paused, as though struggling with what to say, before asking, at last, "and…your father? "
Arek-vet looked pained. "I do not know, uncle. I and my host became separated in the chaos, and very nearly did not escape-" his finger traced the scar from cheek to chin, seemingly unconsciously, "-but those of Lal'c-Tann came to our aid, and in the confusion I and Ferin'Elt, who leads Lal'c-Tann now, slew a pair of the Soul-drinker's greater servants together, after the two nearly had me. I came in part in hopes that I might find word of him or of Val-Ven'lys, but found you instead—and precious little on my father's fate, or that of Val-Ven'lys. I will urge, I think, Ferin'Elt to consider aligning himself with this coalition you have been building, uncle—as I have taken oaths to aid him in securing Lal'c-Tann's future, he has taken oaths to aid my search for my father—and I rather think you might actually like him."
Hero Questline "Kith and Kine" is now available.
A/n: why was this so hard to write despite being so short arrrgghhhh
but yes, now you know why Lal'c-Tann is friendly: because their leader (who is not a Tolkien epixy but is based on a different series' Important Elf Dude) pulled a Big Damn Heros moment and, ah, disarmed Slaanesh-flavored Lungorthin, allowing Space-Elf-Fingon to not get his head cut in half by Slaanesh-flavored Gothmog, and the two proceeded to actually succeed in discorperating the pair of Greaters, and then swore oaths of friendship after that feat, as one does. And also the other host of Space Elf Noldor are... somewhere. maybe. you don't know!
So when the gleaming war-helm of Lal'c-Tann's leading figure being removed caused him to drop his staff of office in shock, it was, to be said, somewhat out of character. As was his exclamation—
"Nephew‽‽"
For indeed, at the head of Lal'c-Tann's party was his brother-son, Arek-Vet, bearing a great ropy scar that traced from brow to chin—as though some great blade had almost split his face in half. And if his nonchalant "Hello, Uncle. How fares Geal-Vad?" perhaps betrayed a degree of relief unexpected, given the estrangement between Aresh-Vul and his half-brother, well, none there would speak of it.
Aresh-Vul gaped, then visibly composed himself, answering his nephew far more evenly. "Well, he is well. As are his brothers—in truth, nephew, I rely upon them greatly, and they are managing affairs in my absence."
He paused, as though struggling with what to say, before asking, at last, "and…
Arek-vet looked pained. "I do not know, uncle. I and my host became separated in the chaos, and very nearly did not escape-" his finger traced the scar from cheek to chin, seemingly unconsciously, "-but those of Lal'c-Tann came to our aid, and in the confusion I and Ferin'Elt, who leads Lal'c-Tann now, slew a pair of the Soul-drinker's greater servants together, after the two nearly had me. I came in part in hopes that I might find word of him or of Val-Ven'lys, but found you instead—and precious little on my father's fate, or that of Val-Ven'lys. I will urge, I think, Ferin'Elt to consider aligning himself with this coalition you have been building, uncle—as I have taken oaths to aid him in securing Lal'c-Tann's future, he has taken oaths to aid my search for my father—and I rather think you might actually like him."
Hero Questline "Kith and Kine" is now available.
Stand By…
A/n: why was this so hard to write despite being so short arrrgghhhh
but yes, now you know why Lal'c-Tann is friendly: because their leader (who is not a Tolkien epixy but is based on a different series' Important Elf Dude) pulled a Big Damn Heros moment and, ah, disarmed Slaanesh-flavored Lungorthin, allowing Space-Elf-Fingon to not get his head cut in half by Slaanesh-flavored Gothmog, and the two proceeded to actually succeed in discorperating the pair of Greaters, and then swore oaths of friendship after that feat, as one does. And also the other host of Space Elf Noldor are... somewhere. maybe. you don't know!
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Big damn hero moments are family thing heh?
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We must gather all the Noldor Spess Elfs together.
Maybe thats what we will call our coalition? Something in reference to that?