Oh yeah Beil-Tan conscription of Exodites really puts their 'investment' in maiden worlds and ability to keep going despite all the pointless fighting they do into perspective.
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Yes, during the moot proper, our vote will be one of many. On day two, when we go alone to warn them, we will have no one else to back up what we are saying, and we will simply be one old political adversary of Beil-tan claiming these things their partner major craft world, who is only neutral to us, may doubt.
I am talking about the current vote, and your misconstruing it with the main moot reveal. There are changes that could be made to the Iyanden time slot write in that would make them more likely to believe us, and currently there is at least as good a chance they don't as they do, is what I'm trying to say.
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Again, my goal here is not to descend into civil war. Descending into civil war is, in fact precisely what I'm trying to avoid.
If anyone is "fighting" Biel-Tan, then the plan has already failed. If my model is wildly inaccurate and "everyone cleanly commits to fighting Biel-Tan" is the best case scenario, then I will give up immediately.
Allow me to expand on the details of my plan, loose as it is since it relies on the assorted geniuses at the Moot actually making several of the decisions.
- Everyone (except, presumably, Biel-Tan) agrees that what BT is doing is Serious Fucking Business That Needs To Be Stopped.
- This is obviously the most important step in the plan. If everyone's fine giving BT a slap on the wrist, the entire plan falls apart and we should go with the flow.
- This is also important in that it will hopefully allow the Harlequins to act without violating their neutrality. It's not really "picking a side" when literally everyone, including their former allies, agrees they gotta go.
- Everyone dogpiles Archon Aerellian and his crew so they don't just fuck off back to Biel Tan to start prepping.
- We appeal to any respect for Iyanden and his fellow Aeldari's capacity to make decisions that Aerellian may actually have to tell BT to stand down willingly.
- This almost certainly won't work, but we have to try both for political reasons and because I'd feel like an idiot if it would have worked and we just didn't try.
- Eldrad and Draylin put their heads together for a couple projects:
- Precog an effective method of pulling off the rest of the plan if possible, with our best Fateweaver Defenses set up.
- See if we can invoke any theurgy of the Last Hour, where Khaine split into individually impotent (in terms of decision making capacity, rather than divine might) fragments to avoid being turned against the Aeldari, to disrupt the cohesion of Biel-Tan's leadership and general response.
- Maybe something else useful I can't think of because I'm not a space elf wizard.
- We gather together a few teams of hero units, out of the many that showed up to the Moot.
- We exploit the precog and the Harlequin's borrowed mastery of the Webway to sneak our squads into Biel-Tan, where squads will pursue three broad goals.
- Incapacitate (preferably non-lethally, if not, with a Spirit Stone available) the proto Council of the Young King, or whatever governing body they currently have set up.
- Take control of (preferably without damaging) several key locations for controlling the Craftworld and its defenses.
- Tap into the psychic intercom to declare that by consensus of the Major Craftworlds (probably listing the ones they actually respect) and their authority as Heirs to the Dominion, the governing body of Biel-Tan is under investigation of [Insert something fitting here, referencing either the species or the Dominion]
- Again, probably not enough to actually get them to stand down, but procedure and also, there are several billion people on Biel-Tan, which make it likely that there are some who, unlike Aerellian, have respect for their fellow Aeldari and might have doubts about all the kin-slaying and slavery they're doing, so might have a measurable influence on events. Not to mention the conscripts.
- Once Biel-Tan is pacified (again, we're going for commandos doing a crippling strike before they notice, not a pitched battle) begin the process of establishing an inter-craftworld tribunal and paying out reparations to the Craftworlds and Exodites they've preyed upon.
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Your plan also kind of forgets that Aeldari may notice someone scrying them.
We didn't form a Grand strategy for all three days from the first vote to neuter Beil-tan, unlike Nurgle, so we aren't going to manage more than forcing them to chill out by virtue of too many eyes on them.
We made some blunders in our picks, and haven't been playing up our accomplishments or somewhat unique assets to the major players, rather than just offering aid there likely underestimating the scope of, so in spite of our impending prominence no one is forming any plans to go out of their way to cooperate with us outside of members of our own faction.
We don't have a sword of Vaul Class ship with us, so the military minded Aeldari who might have flocked to us from the independents just on the chance they could get a tour of it's bridge and a few war stories won't be doing so. This doesn't exclude us from recruiting them, we do have a Megalance bearing combat brig they may recognize after all, but opportunity missed out on their.
It may shift a bit depending on the outcome, but currently when I think of Day three, I see us targeting the independents first to recruit them before anyone else can. Second we should leave a slot open for anyone to come visit us, particularly the Harlequin's. We should always be letting the harlequins come to us, less we waste time while their off doing things they deam more important. Depending on how things go I favor Ulthwe or the Asuryani as our last pick, though as long as we do the former two in the order described I'm fine with anything.
We didn't form a Grand strategy for all three days from the first vote to neuter Beil-tan, unlike Nurgle, so we aren't going to manage more than forcing them to chill out by virtue of too many eyes on them.
We made some blunders in our picks, and haven't been playing up our accomplishments or somewhat unique assets to the major players, rather than just offering aid there likely underestimating the scope of, so in spite of our impending prominence no one is forming any plans to go out of their way to cooperate with us outside of members of our own faction.
We don't have a sword of Vaul Class ship with us, so the military minded Aeldari who might have flocked to us from the independents just on the chance they could get a tour of it's bridge and a few war stories won't be doing so. This doesn't exclude us from recruiting them, we do have a Megalance bearing combat brig they may recognize after all, but opportunity missed out on their.
It may shift a bit depending on the outcome, but currently when I think of Day three, I see us targeting the independents first to recruit them before anyone else can. Second we should leave a slot open for anyone to come visit us, particularly the Harlequin's. We should always be letting the harlequins come to us, less we waste time while their off doing things they deam more important. Depending on how things go I favor Ulthwe or the Asuryani as our last pick, though as long as we do the former two in the order described I'm fine with anything.
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All else aside, as themselves the leaders of major craftworlds, I see the other majors as being pretty skittish about establishing a precedent that calls for assassination strikes, for much the same reason that the various IRL world powers aren't trigger happy with that shit - decapitation strikes are generally higher on the escalation ladder than outright declarations of war.
But even if everyone agreed to that, I'm skeptical it would even work. If it was easy to assassinate the heads of Major Craftworlds, it would happen a lot more, after all. And even if that succeeded - quantity has a quality all its own, any infiltrating elites would be hideously outnumbered, and it's not like Biel-Tan lacks their own hero units. An Avatar of Khaine is likely to make an appearance - possibly more than one!
So I'd expect the best case end result of a *successful* assassination run, after a *successful* agreement by all parties to even make the attempt, to be a mightily damaged Biel-Tan, with unclear leadership and torn apart by infighting... to still survive, as a diminished but still major craftworld, with the factions which supported Biel-Tan's past actions prevailing. (And I do think that they have majority support internally for their past actions). And from that point forth, the Eldar will have lost many hero units, one of their major craftworlds will have flipped to an implacable foe... and with such a questionable result, the remaining Eldar would not necessarily be cordial amongst themselves when it came to pointing fingers at who should take the blame for this event.
Meanwhile, bad outcomes would include stuff like: "The assassination outright fails, Biel-Tan targets Vau-Vulkesh with a fleet ~100x the size of ours for reprisal", or "Biel-Tan falls to chaos worship in the aftermath of a partially successful assassination and becomes a substantially larger threat".
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The Froggy Ninja
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Piracy and treason are generally higher on the escalation ladder than declarations of war too. Prisoners of war have rights. Pirates don't.
Getting the cooperation of the other Major Craftworlds and the Harlequins' mastery of the Webway and divine gifts isn't "easy". If all you needed was the cooperation of Eldrad, the lore of a wizard who died in the canon timeline, the three other Military Majors and Cego signing off on it for the Harlequins, then it definitely would never have happened in canon.
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I've come around on this not meaningfully affecting the ability of those in involved to leash Biel-Tan. We'll just have to see how Iyanden takes it.
Though as far as fights breaking out in the Moot goes I'm fully expecting Chaos to try something. We know the QM's said it's a major effort on their part to materialise so soon after Slaanesh's birth, but I can see them panicking and taking a swing at all of us grouped up.
I've come around on this not meaningfully affecting the ability of those in involved to leash Biel-Tan. We'll just have to see how Iyanden takes it.
Though as far as fights breaking out in the Moot goes I'm fully expecting Chaos to try something. We know the QM's said it's a major effort on their part to materialise so soon after Slaanesh's birth, but I can see them panicking and taking a swing at all of us grouped up.
If they've been impressing Exodties in their military they effective have hostages who would be in the firing line if we went to a hot war and who their homeworlds probably want returned in negotiations. They might have some insider knowledge on their military to share and have little reason not to.
Also, no one will ever, ever come to a diplomatic event ever again, if doing so is an invitation for your leaders to be assassinated there and your home attacked in the resulting confusion.
One of the things i want out of this moot is to make it a repeating event where we update each other on what is going on in the galaxy and share what we can. long term i hope we can do things like we all bring seeker AP and they trade blueprints, provide help in destroying major problems and provide gear to those that lack the ability to produce it themselves.
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It's also been implied that on top of having expending a lot of strength in the process of the fall, Chaos is sort of in the middle of an internal struggle over the bits they do have. Knowing Slaanesh, she's probably in a struggle with Nurgle to try and eat Isha, which would explain what Nurgle is doing with the other half of his power. not sure what the other two are doing. so no, there isn't going to be a swing, at least not during the moot or for probably at least half a century after it's end. we aren't trading Beil-Tan for a daemon intent on our destruction.
also, looking at the map, we really need to deploy some of Zahr-Tann's scout fleets to do more webway scouting.
On a side note, I've had some fun imagining the fun we could have had we chosen to be hated by Asuryani or be pro wipe out mankind. either would have gotten us 7 more points to throw around for some interesting twists.
Sword undeminished : Sword of Vaul Clash + Default large craft world fleet. frees up our choice of allies for alternative benefits a little(Nacretinei or Aringhe seem interesting and both needed a strong ally in war. and let's us start with a sword of Vaul Class using our exotics.
Vau-Vulkesh Mobile & Max Industry : don't take any engine damage and buy 4 points worth of extra industry. avoid engine repair BAP priority dividing and increase odds of avoiding Beil-tan, have option to retrieve fea-eresh in one go turn 3, and the extra BAP would have let us start certain projects a lot sooner.
Bravest of Allies : Cairas Mythar + two points worth of extra Industry. maybe drop power weapons for shrine to Khane. would be really fun to start with them and the extra industry would give us some BAP to throw there way without compromising anything else's we've done. good fun.
Vau-Vulkesh the Blessed : Grab Doomblades instead of power blades, blessed instead of Lucky, a webway key, and start with seer council. possibility of Aeldmoot turn 3 for even earlier stop to Beil-tan plans. best melee weapons possible. with an honest to god Webway Key and Blessed we'd have an actual chance at drawing Iyanden into the Adaptionists if we hard focused on it.
also, given what we have learned as a result of curse research, do you think blessed would have meant like, literally still blessed because Vaul, like Isha, is alive but held prisoner by a chaos god, likely the lord of skulls?
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Today I learned that DAOT humanity made an ontological pistol.
Which subtly redefines reality so that the target was never in it.
Demon killing weapon, anyone?
Which subtly redefines reality so that the target was never in it.
Demon killing weapon, anyone?
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not quite, since for a daemon that could just mean they never managed to manifest in reality proper.
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Do we know if it works, though.
As far as I heard, it's never been fired.
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Yeah, it's at best a way of banishing a daemon, at worst it gets countered by the exact some force that allows deamons to manifest in the materium despite not existing in it natively
Edit: one of the daemons more common titles is the Neverborn for a reason
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Apparently it has.
There's a quote in this one from the lion el'johnson novel.
It erased the targets body and soul, and from memory.
The memory part is why i think it would work on demons.
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It was a joke.
Since the weapon alters reality to eliminate it's target, it would also alter and erase the memory of it being fired.
Hence, never used.
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I think if humanity never fired a weapon after inventing it (almost inconceivable) then it was probably fired in the original timeline that the emperor looped himself back to the past from, and has some major downside like creating a paradox or a hole into the Immaterium for Daemons to enter through, and the emperor of mankind is conspiring to keep it from ever being used for that reason.
best get to scavenging Kronite next turn then.
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Emprah have it to his war crimes Legion as a relic weapon.