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Emps gave the Lion's legion shit like chained/broken men of Iron in shit bodies.
A Different Breed (Warhammer 29K)
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Yep.
Anyway, it's still a few steps down from the deathsword, but it's a nice weapon.
10ebbor10
DON'T PANIC
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Anyway, thanks for reminding me of a quest I once started reading but then lost, and also curse you for reminding met that it exists because it's unlikely to ever return.
Let's just hope that we're a bit better at capitalizing on our little discovery than the medea was with her warsmith.
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While trying to guess at who is in the neutral craftworlds faction, i came across this: interactive map
And to get some unrelated discussion going: What do people think of developing an alternate means of FTL than the Webway?
Point singularity projectors already mention space warping as an available technology in the description. Maybe an alcubierre drive is doable?
It would not be a terrible idea to wean ourselves of the webway as our only way to get around, with the state its in.
And to get some unrelated discussion going: What do people think of developing an alternate means of FTL than the Webway?
Point singularity projectors already mention space warping as an available technology in the description. Maybe an alcubierre drive is doable?
It would not be a terrible idea to wean ourselves of the webway as our only way to get around, with the state its in.
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With this map putting things in perspective I think that we could make space!Bretonia or whatever our ally/buffer state of humanity stretch if we get lucky to nostramo, which means sane (or at least saner) Conrad
forget Conrad glorious hawk boi is closer
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I don't think highly of it, because any such means of travel would take up systems slots and require an entire rehaul of our navy to incorporate effectively, and a second collosal BAP priority project to apply to our craft world. the webways is fine. if the voters were truly worried about it, they would have supported a plan with Webway Key over the winning one, especially since we were allowed to go into dept on the first vote. it's one of the many decisions we have to live with because the alternative is too expensive.
we already have the engines, naval refit and expansion, foundry spamming, and costly and expensive starcrystals refit for the serpent of the stars, as well as our BAP expansion. a second naval refit to apply alternative faster than light would be ship quality restricting and a major BAP eater.
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i didn't mean "soon" so it wouldn't be competing with the top priorities when everything is on fire.
But there's going to come a point where we have all of the weapons we need... a non warp ftl method might be a good thing to put our seeker ap into.
And i mostly want it for the craftworld.
If the webway gets warped, we could end up trapped in a corner.
The path to Meros was narrowing, and might have left them stranded.
Fea-Eresh was not reachable via the webway until the struggling between Slaanesh and Cegorach caused a new path to appear.
There are probably significant parts of the galaxy we can't get to cos our craftworld doesn't fit in the paths.
So there is a use case.
And a secondary benefit might be giving ulthwe the technology to get away from the eye of terror. If a large craftworld is restricted in where it can travel with the webway, a major one probably has it much worse. The webway there is probably hellish.
MagnificentMind
To Live is to Suffer
I will say, that I highly doubt that the Eldar never figured out any other method of FTL during their entire uncontested dominance of the Galaxy and the preceding War in Heaven. Either having figured out the principles behind Necron FTL or just stumbling upon them as they advanced their understanding of material sciences.
So they should exist, and they would be a great way to avoid getting screwed over by the proto-DE or Chaos making a concentrated effort to breech the Webway.
So I'm all for developing it, the question I would ask though is if we should rediscover the method (which can take very long) or just search for surviving samples of such tech.
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at their height, they seem to have gotten so good at using the webway, that their mastery of it exceeded that of the old ones.
They can also use warp travel (meros did it with the shops calling for help).
I do not think they would have figured out the necron tech, as the necrons also use the webway when they can breach it. It's the superior method.
But i don't think it will be a very difficult process to crack it, either.
The gravity singularity projector already has space warping capable of containing an artifical singularity. Warping space in front of the craftworld should be the same tech but much, much bigger. It's likely that the biggest problem we would run into is powering the thing.
MagnificentMind
To Live is to Suffer
Regardless of what type of FTL we use, I don't think power is going to be much of a problem for us. If we have the energy output capable of powering a planet sized colony ship and all that entails and singularity projector on man portable devices we should have more than enough to power a FTL drive. The bigger concern is what we're potentially sacrificing for it
Professor Vesca
Good News Everyone!
We do have FTL alternative to the webway.
Our ships can jump into the warp. Its just that, usually, thats a bad idea for obvious reasons.
The warpjump capability was demonstrated when Mero ships in their desperation did warp jumps in an attempt to beg for aid from nearby craftworlds.
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perhaps i should have specified in my post, but i want a non warp method of ftl.
Diving into the warp with the craftworld is beyond crazy. Not even meros at their most desperate did it. Possibly because the orks would have followed them, and then they'd be fighting orks AND demons.
Or find more keys and give them to the clown god so he may prank slaneash more
I'm not sure that even if we claim a key we'd want it in Cegorach's hands.
We might want to coordinate our use of a key with his, but if he get defeated then not having all our eggs in one basket would be safer.
And that doesn't help, I think, for systems without Webway Gates in at all.
Professor Vesca
Good News Everyone!
Find the nearest tomb world and give them a space wedgie and a noogie until they cough up the secret to massless engines.
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What about susceptibility to warp storms? And temporal warp shenanigans? And demonic attacks?
We could have the technology to avoid all of that.
The Froggy Ninja
The Blade Will Never Die
It would be an incredibly bizarre interpretation to consider what caused the response to be "showing up to a diplomatic event" rather than "enslavement and piracy". I'd be positing a similar plan (though admittedly, moderately more difficult with the Archon not here) if we found out about this and BT snubbed the Moot.
Could Geller Field's help us go though the warp or would they just be overpowered by Slaanesh demons
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they could, but diving in the warp as an eldar ship is basically ringing the dinner bell.
Demons that might not bother showing up to a human ship entering the warp would definitely show up for eldar.
If they didn't come, it would be totally different. Murdering heads of state at a diplomatic conference you've invited them to and taking the opportunity that creates to invade and conquer their nation is such a pretty much the ultimate breach of good faith to the degree that it is quite arguably much worse than anything Biel Tan has done or was planning to do.
It means no one can ever trust you ever again.
And worse, it means no one else can probably take the risk of ever trusting anyone else ever again, and anyone who ever suggests solving a conflict diplomatically will be laughed at and the fate of Biel Tan when they were foolish enough to try being diplomatic was pointed out.
If anything, it validates Biel Tan's approach, that the Post-Fall Eldar are in state of war of all against all, and the only sure means of survival and advancement is to murder your potential competitors before they can murder you, and showing any openness to diplomacy is a weakness that will be ruthlessly exploited to kill you and yours.
Anyone with any sense we proposed this to would recoil from a proposal to do this in horror; and see the person who proposed it as either depraved or insane, and be likely to completely cut us off.
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Frankly Cegorach is probably safer than we are, and getting a second key would make him moreso.
We have no information at all about how safe Cegorach is or is not at the moment, so I don't think we can make that judgment.
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We know they survived until canon, which is a better track record that Vau-Vulkesh.
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