Um.
Also, this was the text for the Zahr-Tann/Meros/Arach-Qin repairs in Turn 1:
It doesn't seem at all unlikely they all work the same way.
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A Different Breed (Warhammer 29K)
SaltyWaffles
I am dissapoint, son
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Better than that, infinite ammo means that they'd make for excellent assault rifles and mounted defensive machine guns. When you need to carry as much firepower as you can without encumbering yourself too much, a gun that is both effective and has infinite ammo saves you a LOT of weight and bulk. When you have a defensive emplacement and need to be able to keep up a hail of fire indefinitely, infinite ammo is similarly very convenient.
It also means that we can pull an ork move and have a big freaking fatecaster cannon on a vehicle that clearly has no space for ammunition stowage or reloading mechanisms, but can fire with abandon because it generates its own ammo instantly.
Fatecaster torpedoes could end up being devastating, even if the weapon system is expensive. You could just rapid-fire auto-hit torpedoes that strike at the target's weakpoints. And considering that no warship is truly well-protected all over, there are a lot of juicy weakpoints to hit.
It basically makes them like energy weapons logistically. They're only limited by their power supplies.
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yes that does complicate things a bit. with that in mind, my guess would be that once Quilan's refits finish at the end of turn 9, we'll be able to consider investing in Arach-qin's shipyards repairs turn 10.
I'm pretty sure there's a bunch of things we can do with the ability to quickly throw out effectively unlimited amounts of very pointy spikes of very solid material on a battlefield or soon-to-be battlefield. The area control possibilities alone, whether that be laying down fields of smaller spikes to disrupt infantry movement (say for example Ork charges), deploying large spikes to act as tank traps at range, rapidly deploying them more close-up to act as cover for infantry or as scaffold for battlefield contstruction like barbed wire barricades... oh, just imagine the possibilities once we get Monofilament developed!
Or slap down large spikes and attach proximity detonators and an explosive charge to them. Ahahaha, that's a lot of Wraithbone Shrapnel.
The best part is, you don't have to actually bother putting traps on all of them, and ones you don't trap are super quick and easy to throw out costing us basically nothing, but the enemy still has to treat all of them as potentially trapped.
If Rangers end up being a thing anything close to the canon ones, they're going to fucking love Needler weapons for all the possibilities they open up.
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Turn 5 main vote count
The problem is that torpedoes are, based on Rogue Trader, basically unmanned strikecraft.
If we can print out one of those from nothing in combat time then we should be able to do the same for other vehicles.
Dark Legacies
Mechanis
Confirmed Extremely Screwed
- Location
- Absconding with Alacrity
Hear now, O' listener, of weapons dark and terrible
Forged for an age of war with no equal
Hear now of Vaul's dread Talismans
That terrible array,
First of the Great Weapons to be forged
by Aeldari hands alone,
A thing of pride
and a thing of shame,
for the devastation they wrought,
lingers yet still,
for fools we were
who knew not what we had made.¹
In the midst of years uncountable², when our ancestors warred eternal² with the First Enemy³,
When the voices of the Teachers⁴ had been lost in the clashing blades,
All advantage was sought.
Learned we did, of our foe's greatest weakness,
that the Empyrean was a poison to them deadly,
and so in our hubris,
we sought to sunder the veil,
and pour its poison upon them.
Forged of Dread⁵, those pyramids of hate,
twenty was their number then,
nineteen now remain;
For lost was one dread Talisman,
within eternal stain.
Great bastion of Zerek'Laz⁶,
The Builder-Breaker's fane,
We sallied against ten thousand times,
yet every time in vain,
And so we thought to end that siege,
and render Star-God slain.
Nineteen we placed,
in great orb's chain⁷,
Ill-fated Twenty,
Battled into fane.
Great engines roared
As unleashed full,
the Talismans so dire,
The world screamed,
the veil tore,
as had been intended,
but fools we were,
to consider not,
the size and power there,
for even now it lingers,
that great and mighty tear,
A hurricane of that which is,
and that which never was,
and lost within it mighty hosts,
and relics evermore.
Woe to the Aeldari then,
for lost was holy prize,
Great Eldenesh's mighty helm,
Within that dread-storm lies!
Forged for an age of war with no equal
Hear now of Vaul's dread Talismans
That terrible array,
First of the Great Weapons to be forged
by Aeldari hands alone,
A thing of pride
and a thing of shame,
for the devastation they wrought,
lingers yet still,
for fools we were
who knew not what we had made.¹
In the midst of years uncountable², when our ancestors warred eternal² with the First Enemy³,
When the voices of the Teachers⁴ had been lost in the clashing blades,
All advantage was sought.
Learned we did, of our foe's greatest weakness,
that the Empyrean was a poison to them deadly,
and so in our hubris,
we sought to sunder the veil,
and pour its poison upon them.
Forged of Dread⁵, those pyramids of hate,
twenty was their number then,
nineteen now remain;
For lost was one dread Talisman,
within eternal stain.
Great bastion of Zerek'Laz⁶,
The Builder-Breaker's fane,
We sallied against ten thousand times,
yet every time in vain,
And so we thought to end that siege,
and render Star-God slain.
Nineteen we placed,
in great orb's chain⁷,
Ill-fated Twenty,
Battled into fane.
Great engines roared
As unleashed full,
the Talismans so dire,
The world screamed,
the veil tore,
as had been intended,
but fools we were,
to consider not,
the size and power there,
for even now it lingers,
that great and mighty tear,
A hurricane of that which is,
and that which never was,
and lost within it mighty hosts,
and relics evermore.
Woe to the Aeldari then,
for lost was holy prize,
Great Eldenesh's mighty helm,
Within that dread-storm lies!
Annotations in the margins, unknown providence:
1: This section is in far more modern runes, and clearly a different hand—Added later.
2: The War in Heaven, presumably; as surviving records are distinctly muddled on its actual objective length
3: Interchangeably used to refer to the Necron and their masters—Annoying!
4: The Old Ones—Several other references corroborate that they seem to have vanished before the War's conclusion. If only a single one was more specific!
5: Possibly Null-stone? If so, appears to be one of the earliest references—original reason it was developed?
6: Name appears in Compendium of The Enemy by Feadrin-Lal, but not several later works; suggests that individual was actually killed?
7: Suggests a spherical array? or circle. Blast it, why couldn't they be more specific!
At Last war ended,
All foes away,
and scattered then,
was great array,
its use barred evermore,
Its keys were taken,
The Eye, The Hand,
The Cup and Crown,
The Rod and Robe,
Each scattered far,
to secret trove,
That such dread things,
May be forgotten.
Yet come one day,
the ancients feared,
a time when oaths would be arrearred,
So listen now,
Where each was placed,
dread relics all,
The Eye lies buried deep within
a world of mountains in the north,
Buried not far, The Hand is too,
Both far from heart and home;
Within the Ways¹ lie Rod and Crown,
Sealed in vaults long hidden;
The Cup lies at Asuryan's Hand²,
its powers sealed by his command,
To guide one to its fellows now,
is all that it retains³;
The Robe was given
to Everqueen,
and since that time
has not been seen.
Any two may wake our folly,
yet only at its least,
to order all,
All six must gather,
to horror yet unleash!
All foes away,
and scattered then,
was great array,
its use barred evermore,
Its keys were taken,
The Eye, The Hand,
The Cup and Crown,
The Rod and Robe,
Each scattered far,
to secret trove,
That such dread things,
May be forgotten.
Yet come one day,
the ancients feared,
a time when oaths would be arrearred,
So listen now,
Where each was placed,
dread relics all,
The Eye lies buried deep within
a world of mountains in the north,
Buried not far, The Hand is too,
Both far from heart and home;
Within the Ways¹ lie Rod and Crown,
Sealed in vaults long hidden;
The Cup lies at Asuryan's Hand²,
its powers sealed by his command,
To guide one to its fellows now,
is all that it retains³;
The Robe was given
to Everqueen,
and since that time
has not been seen.
Any two may wake our folly,
yet only at its least,
to order all,
All six must gather,
to horror yet unleash!
Annotations in the margins, unknown providence:
1: Almost certainly the Webway.
2: The runes here are very archaic; seeming to indicate not the literal hand of a god, but rather a place called 'Asuryan's Hand.' Where this could be was presumably so obvious that they didn't get more specific, curse it.
3: suggests that the rest may be able to locate each-other somehow? Or that the 'cup' is some manner of scrying tool—targeting system?
Notes, in a different hand:
This is the third and last reference to the Helm of Eldanesh written postwar I was able to find, cousin. Narrowing down what the "dread-storm" is is up to you, though Esra-Esta suggests it may refer to the Worldwound in the southeast.
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indeed. torpedoes are much to complicatrd. what wouldn't be complicated is half a dozen wraithbone spike flechette bombs packed into a long hollow wraithbone missile tube with a compact rocket thruster at one end. it wouldn't be limitless ammo, but you could probably fit a few dozen compact thrusters into a strike craft and the technology to assemble the WSFB and WMT. a few hundred if you make it the main weapon of a sloop instead.
Mechanis
Confirmed Extremely Screwed
- Location
- Absconding with Alacrity
Not so much prophecy as poetry meant to preserve critical information, but which relied on things that "everybody knows" for context, and are now in a palm trees situation where the modern Eldar looking at it don't know what it means. They can make educated guesses, but that only goes so far.
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I think this is saying that the talismans of Vaul created the eye of terror, so definitely not win condition. however, individual parts of it may be turned to clever uses.
for instance, a targeting system could be converted into a grand but expensive to use scrying device, or possibly be combined with the Necrons Tesseract prison idea to create some manner of device which penetrates into the warp to trap greater daemon servants we know enough about to target.
Professor Vesca
Good News Everyone!
The Eye of Terror was where the heart of the Aeldari empire was and was created when Slaanesh was born.
- Location
- The Surface Of A Hostile Planet
6 relics needed to activate the Talismans at full power (presumably necessary if we want to invade the realm of Nurgle), 2 needed to activate them at reduced strength (presumably still a very potent weapon). Eye, Hand, Cup, Crown, Rod, Robe.
Eye and Hand are both hidden in the Materium, relatively close to each other but far from the "heart and home" of the Eldar. Rod and Crown are hidden in the Webway. The Cup is at "Asuryan's Hand" and can in some way lead to the others. The Robe was last seen with the Everqueen.
Sounds like a massive quest to find even one of them, and like it would take a huge polity-wide effort amongst the Diaspora to gather all of them.
Eye and Hand are both hidden in the Materium, relatively close to each other but far from the "heart and home" of the Eldar. Rod and Crown are hidden in the Webway. The Cup is at "Asuryan's Hand" and can in some way lead to the others. The Robe was last seen with the Everqueen.
Sounds like a massive quest to find even one of them, and like it would take a huge polity-wide effort amongst the Diaspora to gather all of them.
So the Cup's probably in Slaanesh's hands and the Robe in Nurgle's unless Asuryan and Isha managed to cast them somewhere else before the Fall.
The Rod and Crown are somewhere in the Webway (wouldn't surprise me if the Clown has one or both of them) and The Eye and Hand are somewhere in realspace.
I think getting 2 from the Webway and/or Realspace is feasible and from there we can probably leverage the two to bust into Nurgle's realm to grab The Robe and then with Isha helping bust into Slaanesh's realm to grab The Cup.
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Oh so thats how that asshole used blackstone fortresses
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ahh. my bad. still, this thing sounds like it makes warp scars in the fabric of reality.
That sounds like a Weapon Forge, and their production volume isn't that high.
If we want to play 'infinite' ammo games with torpedoes, I think we're better off making ships with Webway portals that torpedoes can be transported through to replenish the stores, and have Foundries on the Craftworld printing torpedoes.
Professor Vesca
Good News Everyone!
Well yeah, it basically dumps a bucket of Warpstuff onto its target. Its part of what allowed the Aeldari to fight the C'Tan.
F0lkL0re
Officially not an Inquisitor
- Location
- Shetland
In cannon the Hand of Darkness was located on a world in the Gothic sector called Purgatory and the Eye of Night was located on a world called Ornsworld again in the Gothic sector but that is no guarantee that their there in quest so make of that what you will.
- Location
- United States of America, Michigan
So the Blackstones created the Maelstrom and the WiH Eldar lost an artefact in it?
Professor Vesca
Good News Everyone!
The first two are in the materium, the Eye and Hand. In the north.
So its quite possible they might be nearby.
So its quite possible they might be nearby.