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A Different Breed (Warhammer 29K)

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Heavygenium said:
The only one who matches this level of Warp writing is Xantalos, in my opinion.
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I don't think I read Xantalos stuff, I am somewhat new to SV (less than a year)
Randino Treviani said:
@Profilozof I think we may be dealing with C'tan Nightbringer Shard trapped in the webway since the war in heaven. The visions describe an entity more than a group of aliens and it would fit the draining of a star better than some psychically omnivorous xeno species.
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It is possible, but it would be also easier. Admittedly Nightbringer is only C'tan that was shattered before Silent King's rebellion. I am just paranoid about the rangdan as they will be our enemy and I am seeing them everywhere
 
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My read of the events scried so far:

Something, aka the Shadow (whatever it is), was locked in an Old One prison in the Webway. At some point Slaanesh let it loose. It's running around eating people.

Nacretinei was traveling through the Webway (possibly this was just enroute to the Moot, it's not clear) when her path through the Webway was disrupted and they found themselves at an Old One prison. She can't find a path away from the prison, so she ventures inside to see if she can find anything useful - and finds that the prison is empty. This isn't a comfort, for obvious reasons. Implicitly this is the prison the Shadow was being kept in.

A Harlequin Troupe was also travelling through the Webway. Around the same time Nacretinei gets shunted to the prison, the Harlequins get trapped in a knot in the Webway with no exits; Cegorach can't answer their prayers for help, 'cause he's busy. Eventually an exit pops up anyway.

... That exit probably wasn't opened by Cegorach. The Harlequins are probably headed right into a trap laid by the Shadow. Nacretinei probably isn't under immediate threat, but the Shadow is absolutely capable of reaching them where she is and will get around to that sooner-or-later, say once it's done with closer prey.
 
Kind of an odd mix of metaphorical and literal reading going on here; on the one hand, "a/the Lady" being a metaphor for an entire craftworld is assumed correct, but on the other the Shadow must be a C'tan because it's eating Light/a Star and C'tan eat (physical) stars?
I don't think taking warp visions so literally and confidently is a good idea.
Nor do I think assuming it must be something (recognisably from) canon is a good idea. We've already seen stuff in-quest that wasn't in canon at all, and other stuff that was just a throwaway name in a list somewhere that's been expanded out much more. Not to mention the other-setting-with-a-coat-of-Warhammer-paint stuff.

What this did tell us is that something we're looking for (be that the Craftworld itself, a survivor, or just someone who knows where they went or is connected to them) is stuck in an ancient at-least-partially-breached prison from the WiH, that the contents have escaped the prison and are Doing Shit we probably don't want any part of (though that kind of goes without saying), and that the Harlequins have some level of involvement, be that a single Player or an entire Troupe, but are facing setbacks.
This is... not an insignificant amount of information, but it's not going to solve the problem for us.
 
Hmm random guess but if this is a C'tan or at least a Shard of one than I wonder if it's the Deceiver cause iirc there's no evidence of the Deciever being active during the time of the dominion and prior to the Fall so theoretically it could had been trapped in the webway all this time and it escaped right now. Probably not since I'm not the most familiar with Deciever lore so probably missing something critical that pops my theory like a balloon but it would be interesting (and scary) if it was the Deciever
 
Profilozof said:
It is not. Nobody went to the moot with whole craftworld. They probably were running away from something, maybe orcs, maybe drukhari or horrors from the aftermath of the Rebellion of the Men of Iron
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I believe they were staying mobile to try and avoid their doom, taking advantage of a craft worlds nature to avoid being found by whatever it was. You know, classic letting prophesied event determine your actions in a way that causes it to come true.

See Go Reach said:
Nor do I think assuming it must be something (recognisably from) canon is a good idea. We've already seen stuff in-quest that wasn't in canon at all, and other stuff that was just a throwaway name in a list somewhere that's been expanded out much more. Not to mention the other-setting-with-a-coat-of-Warhammer-paint stuff.
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Except this is a seer vision intended to provide information we can better understand the quest line with and act on. It makes very very little sense to make the threat some random setting addition with nothing remotely recognize able as hinting at it's original setting. It's makes even less sense to assume this is the case when there are hints that this is something from the war in heaven and we have a fitting match from lore on that time period.
 
NotteBoy97 said:
Hmm random guess but if this is a C'tan or at least a Shard of one than I wonder if it's the Deceiver cause iirc there's no evidence of the Deciever being active during the time of the dominion and prior to the Fall so theoretically it could had been trapped in the webway all this time and it escaped right now. Probably not since I'm not the most familiar with Deciever lore so probably missing something critical that pops my theory like a balloon but it would be interesting (and scary) if it was the Deciever
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This is something the old ones trapped in a webway prison prior to their fall and the only C'Tan shattered prior to the Old Ones defeat was the nightbringer as they used shards of him as weapons of last resort.
 
Randino Treviani said:
Except this is a seer vision intended to provide information we can better understand the quest line with and act on. It makes very very little sense to make the threat some random setting addition with nothing remotely recognize able as hinting at it's original setting. It's makes even less sense to assume this is the case when there are hints that this is something from the war in heaven and we have a fitting match from lore on that time period.
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Why are you assuming this is intended to be an infodump to let us metagame this, when the QM has made multiple statements along the lines of
Mechanis said:
Have your choices been 100% optimal? Of course not, I am deliberately limiting your information and options based on in-universe knowledge, infrastructure and abilities specifically to prevent making 100% optimal choices.
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Is it really that hard to believe that spending two Seer AP might merely be giving us bits and pieces of information towards mysteries we have to uncover both in and out of character, rather than serving as an instant "ok, here's whodunit now start preparing your specialty guns" sequence breaker? Especially when warp scrying is an inherently unreliable and open-to-interpretation source of information in the setting at the best of times, which we are very much not in?
Is it that terrible an idea that we might have to read the Quest to find out the details, rather than a wiki page?

Further, I'll remind you that we already had a "fitting match from lore" on exactly what the threat was based on the small-q quest description.
It was the (proto-)Dark Eldar.
Spoilers: We were wrong.
 
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Mechanis said:
A great storm of cloudstone and flickering thunderflash ten million miles wide( flock of ten thousand azure raven-feathers and mocking caws of false-truths in ten thousand scripts) bars their way, but this enemy the will-gestalt knows well now, and together their mandala becomes a spear of blazing sunfire ten million miles long( Blade with ten thousand edges) and pierces dark stormstone( shreds mocking feathers) with an ease that belies their effort.
Distantly they hear a twin-part scream of rage anew​
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I don't know if this includes the effects of this turn's efforts at breaking the Eye of Tzeentch, but it's still a telling sign. Also, a reminder about why Kairos was so pissed at Etrigos. His curse is too fragile to hold up if the Eldar are prepared for it, meaning it's functionally useless for the remaining period of time before we shatter it altogether.
 
See Go Reach said:
Is it really that hard to believe that spending two Seer AP might merely be giving us bits and pieces of information towards mysteries we have to uncover both in and out of character, rather than serving as an instant "ok, here's whodunit now start preparing your specialty guns" sequence breaker? Especially when warp scrying is an inherently unreliable and open-to-interpretation source of information in the setting at the best of times, which we are very much not in?
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We've been provided with a where(Old Ones fortress), a what(Shadow monster that eats stars), a when(from the war in heaven), and an unexpected who(one of the Harlequins), and there exists lore which fits the what & when. It's very, very hard to believe that lore matching half the information isn't significantly more likely than Mechanis pulling a random monster from some other setting that seemingly sounds the same as the lore master on accident.
 
BeepSmile said:
If a polity can't successfully prosecute a war using Buttplug-comms against a polity advanced enough to blow up stars, that just shows a shameful lack of development of interstellar Buttplug networking technologies.

That pre-fall Aeldari would not have been able to do this is yet another indication of how the Dominion fell to arrogance and thus, technological stagnation.
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Just like Grandma Leikitelot used to say - one in the butt beats two on the battlefield.
 
Mechanis said:
[ ] Stroke of Brilliance (-2 points)
Your people value creativity and brilliance—and consequently, when engaging in innovation your people will sometimes make leaps of logic that others may not, descend into a Vaulspell, or otherwise have a flash of brilliance that results in a project finishing faster than anticipated.
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Profilozof said:
Craftworld that went missing and who had something to do with briliance. What I think they know in particular thanks to this update is the knownledge of the Old Ones/War in Heaven
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It could refer to the trait from creation 2.

other possibilities are the blessed trait given they've happened on the fortress after the monster has left and it would fit the "Shining" aspect.

emphasis is also placed on their silver hulls, which means their ships may not be made entirely of Wraithbone, which may indicate some manner of rare if not exotic material, or advanced Wraithbone cultivation.
 
A thought on this:

Mechanis said:
Four parties meet, in a corridor of the Webway. They are seeking a fifth, and here is the last known place where that missing friend tread. Where they went after...

Well.​
That is why two dozen Seers now stand in link-armed circle, is it not?​

At opposite ends of the ritual circle, Highseer Yeren Ereteth of Stel'Rann and Ranna Yedral of Meros, Third Apprentice of the Seerlord,…
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Four parties meet, so presumably four Craftworlds. One of them is Meros. One of them is Stel'Rann. Presumably one of them is us, as we spent Seer AP on this. Who's the fourth?

Also interesting is that presumably thanks to spending an StAP on Diplomacy this was a joint ritual with Meros as well as Stel'Rann.
 
On the topic of military,
Alratan said:
Four parties meet, so presumably four Craftworlds. One of them is Meros. One of them is Stel'Rann. Presumably one of them is us, as we spent Seer AP on this. Who's the fourth?
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There were 2 minor craftworlds and Stel'Rann allied with Nacretinei, so presumably the fourth is 1 of those 2 minor craftworlds
 
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