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A Different Breed (Warhammer 29K)

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[] Plan: Life-seers, northern gang
The Retinue of Aresh-Vul
-[ ] His Sons
-[ ] Irsfeial, Emissary of the Ishari
-[X] Dragonlord Amar-Ithil of Quilan
-[ ] Draylin of the True Sight, Seerlord of Meros
-[ ] Seer Araeniel of Meros
-[ ] Yranne Kal, the Mothwing Lord of Arach-Qin
-[ ] Forgemaster Xenael Wraev of Zahr-Tann or [ ] Faelin Wraev of Zahr-Tann ( I need to ask @Mechanis what is difference between them and if there is one, but I am partial to Faelin)
Bodyguards
-[ ] Elite Bodyguards
-[ ] Special Bodyguards
Fleet
-[ ] Weight: Escort Heavy
-[ ] Configuration: Battleship Task Group
-[ ] Special: The Serpent of the Stars

So plan notes:
1. Retinue:
  • Representing all of our allies in a coalition but based on population, despite losing 50% of the population, Meros is bigger than both Zahr-Tann and Arach-Qin combined, and we heavily outnumber the rest of coalition combined, so us bringing Aresh-Vul's sons could be representative that while all deserve a voice, they will be represented proportionally. Admittedly, I am not that devoted to proportional representation, and it is an add-on/justification to taking both of Meros' hero units so Grandpa can focus on sharing his seer know-how with Eldrad and the company, but I think that Iyanden who has the most people would probably appreciate such thing (with seer lords and high priestess of Isha) and I can see us regaining some of Eldar fertility before anyone else which could get us to catch up to them when/if there will be 2nd Aeldmoot.
  • I talk a lot about Irsfeial but to put things shortly: Ishari are our allies, and I won't agree to leave them out for the sake of the ego of our enemies; Irsfeial will make it easier for centrists/moderates (i.e. Iyanden) to believe that Isha is alive and that we need to safe her; I want to see Biel-tan kill its alliance with Iyanden by showing that they are bigots.
  • Meros heroes: Heiress focused on politics, Seerlord on teaching. Simple as.
2. Bodyguards:
Mechanis said:
You will have to strike a balance between not appearing too weak, but not seeming to be 'puffing yourself up' to cover weakness either.
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  • I personally see this as balance combination, with normal+special appearing weak (because a lot of canon fodder and very few powerful people) and normal+elite being puffing yourself up (because most bodies and elites look more imposing than few specials)
3. Fleet:
Mechanis said:
Similar to the above, you will have to exercise your own judgment as to what will make others think you too weak and what will be taken for bluster.
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  • We refitted escorts first, and they will demonstrate our skill and post-fall innovativeness best. It will also be less threatening than a ton of capital ships.
  • Sword of Vaul is a battleship to end all battleships; taking it without proper Task Group is just flaunting it; without it, I would go with Cruiser Squadron
My plan admittedly will be us showing off as 2nd only to the five major craftworlds but it will make small and minor craftworld flock to us and make others listen, also it may spook fucking Biel-Tan into keeping their mouths shut, but that may actually be a negative depending on the situation.
 
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Profilozof Hero is not running this quest lol

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My own plan.
[] Plan: Allies and Bling
-[ ] Irsfeial, Emissary of the Ishari
-[ ] Draylin of the True Sight, Seerlord of Meros
-[ ] Seer Araeniel of Meros
-[ ] Zevrin Kal, Blademaster of Arach-Qin
-[ ] Faelin Wraev of Zahr-Tann
-[ ] Elite Bodyguards
-[ ] Special Bodyguards
-[ ] Weight: Escort Heavy
-[ ] Configuration: Cruiser Squadron
 
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IronFist said:
Their stance on soul forging is unknown, but i could see it being "whatever it takes."
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Given that Eldrad, their current leader, canonically attempted god-forging, even if he was exiled for wanting to commit genocide for it. I can see them not being opposed to us.
IronFist said:
but then Biel-tan might as well start hunting Exodites as well, cos they are just as unlikely to welcome a return of the imperial days.
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Oh, Biel-fucking-Tan canonically does impressment on exodites because "they are the heirs of phoenix court, so listen to us, peasant". So that isn't that farfetched.
 
gale said:
Profilozof Hero is not running this quest lol

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My own plan.
[] Plan: Allies and Bling
-[ ] Irsfeial, Emissary of the Ishari
-[ ] Draylin of the True Sight, Seerlord of Meros
-[ ] Seer Araeniel of Meros
-[ ] Zevrin Kal, Blademaster of Arach-Qin
-[ ] Faelin Wraev of Zahr-Tann
-[ ] Elite Bodyguards
-[ ] Special Bodyguards
-[ ] Weight: Escort Heavy
-[ ] Configuration: Cruiser Squadron
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I like it, it seems like a good compromise to be humble while not appearing weak. I still think that we should also take Araeniel (because she is a ship potential with Eldrad and maybe if he still gets exiled, he can chill with us and get laid)
 
Alratan said:
They may have not even realised the Ishari were still people and thought they were some Haemunculi abomination defiling an Eldar world. I think there are Haemunculi plagues that meld their victims into the scenery in canon. They could easily have been arrogant enough to think they knew best, or, being generous, this could happen after Kairos could subvert their Seers and he fed them false info to make them disbelieve the Ishari and thinks they were actually threats or abominations.
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Whether they hate our theoretical soulforging plans or not, I don't think Biel Tan will be the primary target for our diplomacy.

Iyanden and Ulthwe are Neutral among the major craftworlds and should be open to the idea, while Biel Tan outright hates us and are a "tough crowd". Bring Iyanden on board, and Biel Tan will come with them.
 
Alratan said:
The art of compromise at a diplomatic summit isn't to make some people happy at the cost of making some people angry. That's would be a failure.

The goal is to make everyone grudgingly content so they sign up to the resulting treaty.
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You say that, but Ulthwe and Iyanden are already gonna be interested in what we've got, and revealing the Ishari makes it much more likely to get Saim-Hann on our side, at the cost of what, being slightly more aggrivating to the people who already despise us?

We're not going to get Biel-Tann to be happy unless we offer to let them kill us, nor are we gonna get Alaitioc happy with us unless we reject our entire path and goal, so I'd rather not hide an ally who both shows off more of what we've done and attracts Saim-Hann's interest.

Over all, I much more value Saim-Hann's favor than I do making Biel-Tann and Alaitoc seethe slightly more over us daring to exist and move forwards.
 
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[] The More the Merrier - Reconciliation
- [ ] His Sons
- [] Dragonlord Amar-Ithil of Quilan
- [ ] Draylin of the True Sight, Seerlord of Meros
- [ ] Seer Araeniel of Meros
- [ ] Yranne Kal, the Mothwing Lord of Arach-Qin
- [ ] Forgemaster Xenael Wraev of Zahr-Tann
- [ ] Special Bodyguards
- [ ] Elite Bodyguards
- - [] Reduce this
- [ ] Weight: Escort Heavy
- [ ] Configuration: Cruiser Squadron
- [ ] Special: The Serpent of the Stars
Bring Arach-Qin's Flagship. Only available if Yranne Kal the Mothwing Lord is attending.

Is what I'm going for come in mob handed to make the point that we're taking this seriously while being able to talk to as many people as possible and build the widest coalition around basic principles possible.

Alternatively:

[] The More the Merrier - Division
- [ ] His Sons
- [] Dragonlord Amar-Ithil of Quilan
- [ ] Draylin of the True Sight, Seerlord of Meros
- [ ] Seer Araeniel of Meros
- [ ] Irsfeial, Emissary of the Ishari
- [ ] Yranne Kal, the Mothwing Lord of Arach-Qin
- [ ] Forgemaster Xenael Wraev of Zahr-Tann
- [ ] Special Bodyguards
- [ ] Elite Bodyguards
- - [] Reduce this
- [ ] Weight: Escort Heavy
- [ ] Configuration: Cruiser Squadron
- [ ] Special: The Serpent of the Stars
Bring Arach-Qin's Flagship. Only available if Yranne Kal the Mothwing Lord is attending.

If we want to sharpen the dividing lines in Eldar society and try to pull one side closer to us while pushing our opponents to the other side.

IronFist said:
Whether they hate our theoretical soulforging plans or not, I don't think Biel Tan will be the primary target for our diplomacy.

Iyanden and Ulthwe are Neutral among the major craftworlds and should be open to the idea, while Biel Tan outright hates us and are a "tough crowd". Bring Iyanden on board, and Biel Tan will come with them.
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Our targets is indeed Ulthwe and Iyanden, who we want to bring Alaitoc and Biel Tan onboard. We should, however, not make their difficult job any harder by making divisive political points while they're trying to sell a message of unity.

I think bringing the Ishari could be the difference between Iyanden being able to persuade Biel Tan to play along with wider joint endeavours or not, and like them or loath them, there are some problems where having the big stick of Biel Tan heading in roughly the right direction or at least not fucking up could be very handy.

cheesyme said:
You say that, but Ulthwe and Iyanden are already gonna be interested in what we've got, and revealing the Ishari makes it much more likely to get Saim-Hann on our side, at the cost of what, being slightly more aggrivating to the people who already despise us?

We're not going to get Biel-Tann to be happy unless we offer to let them kill us, nor are we gonna get Alaitioc happy with us unless we reject our entire path and goal, so I'd rather not hide an ally who both shows off more of what we've done and attracts Saim-Hann's interest.

Over all, I much more value Saim-Hann's favor than I do making Biel-Tann and Alaitoc seethe slightly more over us daring to exist and move forwards.
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I don't think bringing the Ishari will do anything to make Saim-Hann like us any more (or less, probably). They don't seem like they'd care.

If we want to consensus build, which I think we do, it's more important to avoid pissing people off more than it is to make people like us more. That's the way coalition building works. Preaching to the converted is useless, preaching to the neutral is relatively easy, persuading the good outs who already don't like you is where you need to focus your efforts.

That's just how negotiations like that play out, as I understand it, if you look at how real life multi-lateral diplomacy works, where unanimity can be important, as I expect it is here.
 
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So, what tech - or lack of it - are we showing off with each of the bodyguard options?

Because people are certainly going to watch and judge and pick out shinies they want to acquire from us by one means or another.
 
Alratan said:
I don't think bringing the Ishari will do anything to make Saim-Hann like us any more (or less, probably). They don't seem like they'd care.
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Given the Ishari are basically the Exodites taken to an extreme and rewarded for it, and that we were saving them from prophecized extinction? No somehow I bet the Craftworld that actually cares about the Exodites will care about us going out of our way to save some of them, and that is very obviously manifest in, you know, bringing Irsfeial with us.

She also serves as quite obvious and living proof about the ability for people to defy and mitigate the curses via our path of soulforging, which is just helpful to have in general regardless of which Craftworld we're dealing with, as it gives us a better rep and thus more diplomatic weight to use here.
 
I feel like the best way to show unity in the meeting is to have only one person come from each faction, with maybe Araeniel to support her elder.

It ensures us and our allies come across as equals, which will hopefully avoid scaring off anyone interested in joining up if they're afraid they'd be vassalised or the like.
After that Troops and Special for a mix of bodies and showing off our cool stuff without coming across as showing off.
Don't bring the Sword of Vaul battleship, keep it behind so we don't come across too strong on the weaker factions or like we're trying too hard for the Major Craftworlds, and to keep it as an ace in the hole.
 
Candesce said:
So, what tech - or lack of it - are we showing off with each of the bodyguard options?

Because people are certainly going to watch and judge and pick out shinies they want to acquire from us by one means or another.
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Our elite bodyguard will probably be one of the undeployed Warcaster squad, recently refitted with Ithilmar.
CBA with the rest of the meme, but: "This is the guard your guards could look like."
 
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cheesyme said:
Given the Ishari are basically the Exodites taken to an extreme and rewarded for it, and that we were saving them from prophecized extinction? No somehow I bet the Craftworld that actually cares about the Exodites will care about us going out of our way to save some of them, and that is very obviously manifest in, you know, bringing Irsfeial with us.

She also serves as quite obvious and living proof about the ability for people to defy and mitigate the curses via our path of soulforging, which is just helpful to have in general regardless of which Craftworld we're dealing with, as it gives us a better rep and thus more diplomatic weight to use here.
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The Ishari aren't, as far as I can see, at all like the Exodites taken to extreme. They're a completely separate and different 'path' that starts and ends in a completely different place.

The Exodites are reverting to the most ancient Eldar lifestyle, pre-Technology, deliberately living lives of struggle and scarcity to anchor them in the physical now so that Slaneesh can't pull them into decadence. They deeply believe in the moral and spiritual value of hard work and personal suffering in a man against nature way. That's a completely different approach to becoming tree people. They're changing their lifestyle, not their nature. They're basically the most reactionary of the reactionaries, wanting to return to the lifestyles of the deep past before even the War in Heaven.

For example, fundamentally the Exoditrs are nomadic hunters, the Ishari are settled 'farmers'. The Exodites ride, eat, and craft from their dinosaurs. They don't have any ambition to become them.

And I don't believe anyone knows that at some point in the future we may decide to perform soulforging. We've no reason to have told people our potential plans IC, I don't believe even our people know it's necessary based on what we've learned of the Curse, as there are ways we could theoretically break them with no soul forging required.

Bringing them might reveal that we're willing to take that path, which would make our lives even harder poltically.

If bringing the Ishari would make the Exodites and their supporters like us all, I think it would mention that, not just being radical + conservative -.

As being an Exodite is not radical. Being on the paths is much more radical, as they're a novel and fundamental change to the Eldar way of life those Craftworlds have just adjusted. The Exodites have been rejecting high technology and trying to adopt the lifestyle of their earliest ancestors for thousands of years before the Paths were adopted. To an Exodite, the Path using Craftworlders should just be another flavour of radical. The Exodites are Space Amish. In the same metaphor Pathfollowers are devotees of a just invented cult that practices radical forms of psychological self-brainswashing. To the Exodites, the Pathfollowers at probably Scientology, while the Isharites are something completely different again.

Karnax626 said:
I feel like the best way to show unity in the meeting is to have only one person come from each faction, with maybe Araeniel to support her elder.

It ensures us and our allies come across as equals, which will hopefully avoid scaring off anyone interested in joining up if they're afraid they'd be vassalised or the like.
After that Troops and Special for a mix of bodies and showing off our cool stuff without coming across as showing off.
Don't bring the Sword of Vaul battleship, keep it behind so we don't come across too strong on the weaker factions or like we're trying too hard for the Major Craftworlds, and to keep it as an ace in the hole.
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The Sword of Vaul is a demonstration to weaker factions that were strong enough to help them, and that they have options beyond the already obviously very strong Major Craftworlds if they need help.

Coming across as strong should be reassuring for potential allies amongst the minor or small Craftworlds.

If anything, it's the stronger craftworlds who might think we're being 'uppity' and trying to make ourselves out to be an equal when we're not.
 
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[ ] His Sons
Seven sons has Aresh-Vul, whose council he most values; each has been of great import in the ruling of Vau-Vulkesh. Tall and Copperhaired Geal-Vad Halfhand, the Mariner, is eldest, and his father's strong right hand—for all that his own was lost in battle with the minions of the Soul-Thirster during their escape. Reaf-Vad the Minstrel, Tall and dark of hair, serves often now as his father's conduit to the Harlequins, for not infrequently did this second son consider joining with the servants of the Laughing God to ply his skill with song in the days before the Fall. Light-haired Ceil-Vad the Hunter, third son of Aresh-Vul, favored murdered Kruronos and is among the most clever of them; and rarely is he apart from his brother Seil-Vad the Dark, quickest to anger and harshest of Aresh-Vul's sons. Fifth of his sons is Aryad-Vad, who resembles his father greatly and was himself a priest of Vaul, who too is often found in company with his immediate elder brothers, often tempering Seil-Vad's anger with quick wit and cleverness.
His youngest are the twins Fanr-Vad and Fenr-Vad, who are often overlooked, but in these fallen days their sharp wisdom has been invaluable to their father and his people.
Bring Aresh-Vul's seven sons, whom serve as the core of his council and as his deputies in managing the needs of Vau-Vulkesh.

[ ] Irsfeial, Emissary of the Ishari
Whilst both the logistics of transporting sufficient biomass to sustain her and the likelihood of pushback from the more conservative Craftworlds given the soul-modification they have performed, bringing Irsfeial would be a strong statement to the more radical factions—and she is an ordained priestess of Isha, whose survival is part of the news you will be breaking.

[ ] Dragonlord Amar-Ithil of Quilan
Fiery Amar-Ithil is going, whether you would have her or not—and Aresh-Vul is many things, but fool enough to deny a Dragonlord in her chosen course is not among them. Some will without doubt sneer, at least when they think she isn't looking, but her presence will at least be a boon with Saim-Hann if none other.

[ ] Draylin of the True Sight, Seerlord of Meros
Perhaps among the eldest of Aeldari still living, it is clear that Draylin's life is coming to a close, wizened and stooped, his mundane sight long since dimmed—yet even diminished and aged, the ancient Seer can wield his Sight with an acuity that few others can match, and has forgotten more warp-lore than most ever learn. Despite the great burden of age and the deaths of his gods, the old Seer has some centuries in him yet, and his advice would undoubtedly be valuable—as would his support of Aresh-Vul as the leading voice in this coalition.

[ ] Seer Araeniel of Meros
Draylin's chosen deputy and right hand—and also his thrice-great granddaughter—Araeniel has spent over three centuries absorbing everything her thrice-great grandfather has had to teach her, and helping him copy down yet more of his vast knowledge so it cannot be lost with his death. She might lack his ancient wisdom, knowledge and power, but she is still one of the best Seers available to you, and likely to be the next Seerlord of Meros.

[ ] Yranne Kal, the Mothwing Lord of Arach-Qin
A ship-master of no little skill, Yranne would be a good choice to affirm your alliance further, and would offer significant clout with other mariners and fleetlords. Bringing him along would also open the possibility of having him bring his flagship, which would be a potent statement—few can boast a ship of such pedigree.

[ ] Zevrin Kal, Blademaster of Arach-Qin
Alternatively (or perhaps additionally) Yranne's brother Zevrin manages the ground component of Arach-Qin's armies and often serves as his brother's chief deputy. He is also likely to make any with warrior training sit straight, as he has spent the last three millenia beating Arach-Qin's warriors into shape—often literally—and trainers of warriors have an especial way of making warriors pay them heed.

[ ] Forgemaster Xenael Wraev of Zahr-Tann
Perhaps your strongest ally in actual military strength at the moment, including Zahr-Tann's Forgelord would likely give you some extra negotiating power with other martial Craftworlds—and those that are less so and seeking a patron.


[ ] Elite Bodyguards
Each of the forces involved that possess them will contribute some of their best elite troops and equipment available.

[ ] Special Bodyguards
Those that have them will contribute a few available Special Units—while the smallest in size, these offer disproportionate strength for their numbers.


[ ] Configuration: Battleship Task Group
Bring a battleship with an appropriate support fleet.

[ ] Special: The Serpent of the Stars
Bring Arach-Qin's Flagship. Only available if Yranne Kal the Mothwing Lord is attending.
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[] Everybody in the house
-[] His Sons
Randino Treviani said:
bring. they'll be helpful in any deal striking afterwords, particularly the ones involved in Seeker and Bonesinger actions.
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If that's the case, then yeah, seems obvious to bring them.

-[] Irsfeial, Emissary of the Ishari
Will entice radicals to join us, webway eldars are radicals for the most part, except for the nobility I'm guessing? And she'll help with breaking the news of Isha's survival.

-[] Dragonlord Amar-Ithil of Quilan
auto. But would also endear us to the other exodites showing up.

-[] Draylin of the True Sight, Seerlord of Meros
-[] Seer Araeniel of Meros
2 good seers and more representation for our allies. He's also an ancient eldar who survived, his voice matters. It also says that his support would aid us. (maybe we should get him a spirit stone?)

-[] Yranne Kal, the Mothwing Lord of Arach-Qin
-[] Zevrin Kal, Blademaster of Arach-Qin
No reason not to bring both. We'll need the admiral for the special ship. And the blademaster would make our bodyguards stand straight (be professional as possible which is pretty funny), and also more representation for our allies.

-[] Forgemaster Xenael Wraev of Zahr-Tann
It does say he'll give us more negotiating power towards martial craftworlds, and also to non martial ones seeking patrons, It'd be a easy way of getting future customers, and also a good way of increasing the numbers in our bloc.

-[] Elite Bodyguards
-[] Special Bodyguards
We wouldn't take too many away, and it'd aid our posturing.

-[] Weight: Escort Heavy
-[] Configuration: Battleship Task Group
-[] Special: The Serpent of the Stars
If we want to entice more people to join our coalition for protection we'd have to show our strength, which is why posturing is important, Forgemaster Xenael would be helpful in that endeavour as well. And our show of strength would also be a way to push back potential enemies.


It'd be best to go with pretty much everybody to announce our coalition, and as a way to recruit new members. We need to be bold so we can take advantage of this great opportunity, it's not everyday most craftworlds gather up in a meeting like this.
 
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IronFist said:
Our elite bodyguard will probably be one of the undeployed Warcaster squad, recently refitted with Ithilmar.
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Probably not a Star Anvil, though, 'cause we haven't actually assigned any of those yet.

We've got a few cruiser designs that aren't technicals, though we haven't gotten around to refitting them and that's going to show.

Mostlyblue said:
(maybe we should get him a spirit stone?)
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Given Mechanis' comment about Wraithseers, I assume he's already got one.
 
Candesce said:
Probably not a Star Anvil, though, 'cause we haven't actually assigned any of those yet.
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I should have checked the name.
I think the Special bodyguard from Vau-Vulkesh would be a Warcasting circle (6 Battlecasters) taken from the Great Warcasting Circle Warhost (undeployed), so 6 Battlecasters armed with Staff and Ithilmar Suits.
 
Mechanis said:
The second major choice is how many bodyguard troops you will bring with you. You will have to strike a balance between not appearing too weak, but not seeming to be 'puffing yourself up' to cover weakness either.
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Mechanis said:
The final choice is what kind of fleet you arrived with. Similar to the above, you will have to exercise your own judgment as to what will make others think you too weak and what will be taken for bluster.
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My main issue with just taking as many as we can is that it states multiple times that we have to strike a balance.
Alratan said:
The Sword of Vaul is a demonstration to weaker factions that were strong enough to help them, and that they have options beyond the already obviously very strong Major Craftworlds if they need help.

Coming across as strong should be reassuring for potential allies amongst the minor or small Craftworlds.

If anything, it's the stronger craftworlds who might think we're being 'uppity'.
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I get your point about the smaller factions, but considering the larger ones are the ones we need to buy into this I really don't want to come across like we're just using this to sell the benefits of our coalition to as many of the smaller factions as possible.
 
Karnax626 said:
I get your point about the smaller factions, but considering the larger ones are the ones we need to buy into this I really don't want to come across like we're just using this to sell the benefits of our coalition to as many of the smaller factions as possible.
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That's why in my plan as a balance I bring a less obviously powerful fleet, it's why there are no other battleships, but one that's been more refitted because it's escort heavy as another subtle flex to show what we can do. Our refitted escorts are potentially also more effective as actual escorts for the valuable flagship as well.

We impress the small factions with the Sword of Vaul while showing restraint to the large ones by not overdoing the rest of our fleet.

We're saying, look at our unique strengths, while simultaneously not being too large or heavy a fleet in a way that make it seem we're putting ourself on a par with major craft worlds in terms of scale.

The presence of the Sword of Vaul is also probably particularly beneficial as our leader is an ex-High Priest of Vaul, so I think it makes a more effective statement.

You're right it's a balance, and I think the Sword of Vaul plus a weaker but more modern escorting fleet is a good compromise between both. It's the combination of:

- [ ] Weight: Escort Heavy
- [ ] Configuration: Cruiser Squadron
- [ ] Special: The Serpent of the Stars
Bring Arach-Qin's Flagship. Only available if Yranne Kal the Mothwing Lord is attending.

That I think works. The choice to bring the flagship should not be considered independent of the choice of the rest of the fleet, to my mind.
 
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Mostlyblue said:
[] Configuration: Battleship Task Group
-[] Special: The Serpent of the Stars
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Don't forget escort heavy. Want to flaunt Nettlers and War ketch at people.

Alratan said:
- [ ] Weight: Escort Heavy
- [ ] Configuration: Cruiser Squadron
- [ ] Special: The Serpent of the Stars
Bring Arach-Qin's Flagship. Only available if Yranne Kal the Mothwing Lord is attending.
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Why would we do a cruiser squadron? We don't have any modernized cruiser, only frigates and destroyers, which would be part of battleship task force support.
Skjadir said:
Also, a good reminder that one of the visions the Ishari got was Biel-Tan murdering them all. This is a pretty good indication how the "arch" conservatives see them, and well us considering Biel-Tan is currently trying to kill us.
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Yes and we averted that. Why risk it being back on by provoking them.
Alratan said:
The More the Merrier - Division
- [ ] His Sons
- [] Dragonlord Amar-Ithil of Quilan
- [ ] Draylin of the True Sight, Seerlord of Meros
- [ ] Seer Araeniel of Meros
- [ ] Irsfeial, Emissary of the Ishari
- [ ] Yranne Kal, the Mothwing Lord of Arach-Qin
- [ ] Forgemaster Xenael Wraev of Zahr-Tann
- [ ] Special Bodyguards
- [ ] Elite Bodyguards
- - [] Reduce this
- [ ] Weight: Escort Heavy
- [ ] Configuration: Cruiser Squadron
- [ ] Special: The Serpent of the Stars
Bring Arach-Qin's Flagship. Only available if Yranne Kal the Mothwing Lord is attending.
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Again, a battleship task force would be better, since it would consist of just the The serpent of the stars and accompanying escorts. Much more impressive and includes our new model ships better. Our cruisers are Caravel's. We couldn't do worse than caravels.
 
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