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We've still got Ribbon Grid running. I wonder if there's anything else we should do with it.
Ideas:
* check for mysterious dead spots which might be caused by Hijiri hiding in a memory field
* check for strange magics or unknown meguca
* check for witches
* think nice thoughts about Mami while she's enjoying the empathic link

[] While you're here, are there any independent girls in Asunaro for you to give clear seeds to?

Wirikidor said:

We've still got Ribbon Grid running. I wonder if there's anything else we should do with it.
Ideas:
* check for mysterious dead spots which might be caused by Hijiri hiding in a memory field
* check for strange magics or unknown meguca
* check for witches
* think nice thoughts about Mami while she's enjoying the empathic link

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* check to see what movies are showing
* check for romantic-looking restaurants

Guilop said:

We either need a way to stop Anri from telling others the truth about witches or we need to keep her separated from most of the others.

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De-Witching effort.

Anri needs us in order for Yuuri to have a chance to escape the torment of being a Witch.

Going by some theories, Anri could be instrumental in de-Witching Yuuri, but she can't do it without our help.

So we need to convince her she wants to de-Witch Yuuri, and that she needs us to do it.

This would be an all around improvement.

Onmur said:

De-Witching effort.

Anri needs us in order for Yuuri to have a chance to escape the torment of being a Witch.

Going by some theories, Anri could be instrumental in de-Witching Yuuri, but she can't do it without our help.

So we need to convince her she wants to de-Witch Yuuri, and that she needs us to do it.

This would be an all around improvement.

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I get that, but I don't trust Anri to not screw things up in her current state. She might just blab something witchbomby accidentally. Adressing Arzt Kochen's grief seed as Yuuri, for example.

We'll have to see how reasonable and coherent she is before deciding on who exactly should watch her for the time being.

Agh... Maybe I'm trying to cram too many things in one vote.

By the way, I'm thinking once we're back at Mitakihara and everyone's had time to cool down, maybe we can talk with Anri and tell her everything we know about Yuuri's story. Take the opportunity to show exactly how Kyuubey fooled both Yuuri and Anri, and shift Yuuri's responsibility for her own actions back into her own shoulders, in Anri's head.

[X] Oriko:
-[X] Appreciate her work.

[X] Listen to opinions. Modify plan if needed.

[X] Anri:
-[X] Imprisonment, at Mitakihara.
--[X] Being held by the Pleiades would compound her issues.
-[X] Will be temporarily held by either Oriko or Sabrina until something permanent is arranged.

[X] Consult all about developing security measures.
-[X] I.e.: Tracking and Anti-Magic enchantments.
-[X] Ideas?


[X] Oriko's negotiation (Privacy Sphere, include Niko):
-[X] Anri might be vital in de-Witching Yuuri.
--[X] Convince Anri she wants to de-Witch Yuuri, then that she needs our help to do it. Use this to promote collaboration.
-[X] Living conditions: Let Anri make reasonable demands.
--[X] If necessary: Let her choose her 'jailor'.
-[X] She can't share infohazards nor hurt people anymore.
-[X] Ask Niko if she wants to talk with Anri now that she knows.

[X] Hijiri:
-[X] We can't find her.
-[X] Thank the Pleiades for listening. Be worried for their safety.
--[X] Offer help? (I.e.: Express Grief Sense in a way Kazumi can copy).

[X] Give back the Memory Device, and the Derrick Witch Seed in lieu of Arzt Kochen.

I think we need to get a full (euphemism-free) report from Oriko before we jump into planning and negotiating, just to find out what she's already told Anri so we don't do anything to contradict it.

And if we're going to get everyone's feedback on how to handle Anri, then we should probably get said feedback before we vote on what to say to her.

[X] Appreciate Oriko's work.
[X] Ask to consult with Oriko and Niko in privacy sphere.
-[X] Get a full report of what Oriko and Anri discussed.
-[X] Ask for ideas for how we should handle Anri's confinement. How to prevent infobombs? Will Pleiades object to Mitakihara taking custody since she's not as mad at us?
[X] If agreement reached, leave privacy bubble.
[X] Consult with everyone regarding how to handle Anri.
-[X] Is Mitakihara taking custody the best option, to avoid making her issues worse?
-[X] Security measures. Tracking and anti-magic enchantments.
-[X] Ask for ideas. Listen to opinions. Modify plan if needed.
[X] Give back the Memory Device, and the Derrick Witch Seed in lieu of Arzt Kochen. Offer to make it a Clear Seed.

[X] Thank Oriko for her work.
[X] Consult with Oriko and in privacy sphere. Invite Niko, but don't push.
-[X] Get a full report of what Oriko and Anri discussed.
-[X] Ask for ideas for how we should handle Anri's confinement. Could she be involved in dewitching Yuuri? How to prevent infobombs? Will Pleiades object to Mitakihara taking custody?
-[X] If consensus reached, leave privacy bubble, else, break to voting.

[X] Pleiades:
-[X] You couldn't sense Hijiri. Keep trying?
--[X] Offer to let Kazumi copy whatever she thinks will help.
-[X] Return the Memory Device. Offer to clear the Derrick Witch Seed in lieu of Arzt Kochen.
-[X] Discuss Anri.
--[X] Who's going to mind her? Offer Mitakihara's help.
-[X] Security measures. Tracking and anti-magic enchantments.
-[X] Ask for ideas. Listen to opinions. Modify plans as needed.

Some tweaks to Narrators vote. 137 words.

Yeah, that's sensible.

[x] Redshirt Army

[X] Redshirt Army

Maybe we could have Oriko and Kirika stay here for a few days to keep working on Airi?

Muramasa said:

Maybe we could have Oriko and Kirika stay here for a few days to keep working on Airi?

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Honestly, that's probably a better plan then bringing Airi back home. Probably easier to clear with Homura too.

It also has the nice benefit of giving O and K more time to stretch their legs.

I don't think it'd be an easier sell to Homura, since that's basically leaving O&K unguarded. We can say they're being watched by the Pleiades, but we really would be setting O&K free. In Asunaro.

Maybe we can consult with Homura before deciding. We're gonna have to push her to accept some sort of choice, anyway.

EDIT: Basically, if we can't sell Homu on

[ ] Free O&K from their imprisonment

... How can we convince her to leave O&K in Asunaro while we go back to Mitakihara, since it's basically the same thing?

[X] Redshirt Army

Onmur said:

EDIT: Basically, if we can't sell Homu on

[ ] Free O&K from their imprisonment

... How can we convince her to leave O&K in Asunaro while we go back to Mitakihara, since it's basically the same thing?

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I could go either way on this. Some people think that the fact that they'll be hundreds of miles away will make Homura more comfortable. Others that having them where she can keep an eye on them will.

The thing of it is, O&K have been essentially unguarded since we captured them. Their house arrest is basically on the honor system, since we never put any sort of tracking ankle bracelet on them. The only thing keeping them there is the vague threat that Homura will kill their asses if they step out of line.

If we can put a tracker on Anri, we might have to put them on O&K as well to get Homura to agree to it.

Onmur said:

I don't think it'd be an easier sell to Homura, since that's basically leaving O&K unguarded. We can say they're being watched by the Pleiades, but we really would be setting O&K free. In Asunaro.

Maybe we can consult with Homura before deciding. We're gonna have to push her to accept some sort of choice, anyway.

EDIT: Basically, if we can't sell Homu on

[ ] Free O&K from their imprisonment

... How can we convince her to leave O&K in Asunaro while we go back to Mitakihara, since it's basically the same thing?

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Homura likes the Pleiades.

Onmur said:

I don't think it'd be an easier sell to Homura, since that's basically leaving O&K unguarded. We can say they're being watched by the Pleiades, but we really would be setting O&K free. In Asunaro.

Maybe we can consult with Homura before deciding. We're gonna have to push her to accept some sort of choice, anyway.

EDIT: Basically, if we can't sell Homu on

[ ] Free O&K from their imprisonment

... How can we convince her to leave O&K in Asunaro while we go back to Mitakihara, since it's basically the same thing?

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We can ask the Pleiades to keep an eye on them. It's about as good of security as we've had on them. And they can telepathy us for suspicious activity.

Onmur said:

Maybe we can consult with Homura before deciding. We're gonna have to push her to accept some sort of choice, anyway.

EDIT: Basically, if we can't sell Homu on

[ ] Free O&K from their imprisonment

... How can we convince her to leave O&K in Asunaro while we go back to Mitakihara, since it's basically the same thing?

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We should try asking Homura. Not necessarily in this vote, but soon.

While we're asking Homura about things:
I think we should make Oriko stay in a privacy sphere from now on.
In part this is so that Feathers doesn't sense her and come kill her.
The other part is that her visions have already told us this is going to happen.
When she looks into the future, she can't see herself.

The risk is, I'm not sure how Homura will feel about putting Oriko in stealth mode, even exiled-to-Asunaro stealth mode.
(On the other hand, "inside a giant black orb all the time" isn't actually very stealthy...)

Redshirt Army said:

[X] Thank Oriko for her work.
[X] Consult with Oriko and in privacy sphere. Invite Niko, but don't push.
-[X] Get a full report of what Oriko and Anri discussed.
-[X] Ask for ideas for how we should handle Anri's confinement. Could she be involved in dewitching Yuuri? How to prevent infobombs? Will Pleiades object to Mitakihara taking custody?
-[X] If consensus reached, leave privacy bubble, else, break to voting.

[X] Pleiades:
-[X] You couldn't sense Hijiri. Keep trying?
--[X] Offer to let Kazumi copy whatever she thinks will help.
-[X] Return the Memory Device. Offer to clear the Derrick Witch Seed in lieu of Arzt Kochen.
-[X] Discuss Anri.
--[X] Who's going to mind her? Offer Mitakihara's help.
-[X] Security measures. Tracking and anti-magic enchantments.
-[X] Ask for ideas. Listen to opinions. Modify plans as needed.

Some tweaks to Narrators vote. 137 words.

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Thoughts:
-[] You couldn't sense Hijiri. Keep trying?
--[] Offer to let Kazumi copy whatever she thinks will help.

Clarification: Do you mean, "whatever grief devices?" It's a bit unclear.

-[] Return the Memory Device. Offer to clear the Derrick Witch Seed in lieu of Arzt Kochen.


Objection: They have their own grief seeds, and more than we do. It makes no sense to give out one of our limited supply when we can instead clear one of theirs. Especially when we already need to earmark something to exchange for Aurora, and all of our other seeds are currently experimental subjects.

Beyond that, after a certain point clear seeds are less useful and more putting a target on their back. I think we should consider whether we've passed that point.

-[] Discuss Anri.
--[] Who's going to mind her? Offer Mitakihara's help.
-[] Security measures. Tracking and anti-magic enchantments.
-[] Ask for ideas. Listen to opinions. Modify plans as needed.

Problem: A lot of this stuff needs to be up in Anri's section. As it stands it reads like we're discussing Terms of surrender going to a completely different topic, and then moving back to stuff that's relevant to Anri after Oriko has already left the conversation to return to negotiating.

If this is stuff that needs the Saints to chime in as a whole, then we can discuss it in stages: non-sensitive stuff, and then the privacy field. (or vice versa)

Not space optimized but it might be better structured as something like:

[] Anri's Surrender:
-[] Thank Oriko for her work.
-[] Consult with Oriko and in privacy sphere. Invite Niko, but don't push.
--[] Get a full report of what Oriko and Anri discussed.
-[] Ask for ideas for how we should handle Anri's confinement.
--[] Points:
---[]Could she be involved in dewitching Yuuri?
---[]How to prevent infobombs?
---[]Will Pleiades object to Mitakihara taking custody?
-[] If consensus reached, leave privacy bubble and resume outside, else, break to voting.
--[]Points:
---[] Security measures. Tracking and anti-magic enchantments.
---[] Who's going to mind her? Offer Mitakihara's help.
----[]Are Oriko and Kirika willing? Either at home or in Asunaro
-[] Ask for ideas. Listen to opinions. Modify plans as needed.


[] Pleiades:
-[] You couldn't sense Hijiri. Keep trying?
--[] Offer to let Kazumi copy whatever grief devices she thinks will help.
-[] Return the Memory Device. Ask if they need something in exchange for Arzt Kochen.

Wirikidor said:

We should try asking Homura. Not necessarily in this vote, but soon.

While we're asking Homura about things:
I think we should make Oriko stay in a privacy sphere from now on.
In part this is so that Feathers doesn't sense her and come kill her.
The other part is that her visions have already told us this is going to happen.
When she looks into the future, she can't see herself.

The risk is, I'm not sure how Homura will feel about putting Oriko in stealth mode, even exiled-to-Asunaro stealth mode.
(On the other hand, "inside a giant black orb all the time" isn't actually very stealthy...)

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I remain of the belief that Oriko cannot see herself in the future because she cannot see any future in which she herself changes. Certainly she's been unable to see herself gaining magical skills, such as enchantment.

I'm not sure sending Oriko to live in another city is the best idea. Keep in mind that Oriko always died in her visions while we weren't around...

The Phoenixian said:

-[] You couldn't sense Hijiri within . Keep trying?
--[] Offer to let Kazumi copy whatever grief devices she thinks will help.

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Yeah, the point here was lost. Without even mentioning the worry of Hijiri attacking, this doesn't even make sense.

Also, need to telepathy Homu about what we're gonna do with O&K. She might stonewall either approach to handling Anri that involves Anri, in which case we'd have to look after her ourselves, or leave her to the Pleiades, though I wouldn't like that.

Agh... OK, there's so many variables to go over, I'm just gonna go with proposing a plan and letting the girls discuss. Also not gonna ask Oriko for the details, just give her directions as she's asking.

For the record, I was writing this up before realizing this:

Also yeah, there was that thing about Feathers kiling Oriko and that thing about Feathers not acting out around Sabrina, so we want Sabrina and Oriko in the same city, at least.


[X] Thank Oriko for her work.

[X] Propose plan, ask for ideas, discuss, decide things as a group.
-[X] Use Privacy Sphere whenever needed.
-[X] Include Homura through telepathy. Quick update.

[X] Plan:
[X] Anri is to be imprisoned at Oriko's home.
-[X] Keeping her away from the Pleiades helps not-aggravating her issues.
-[X] This can be temporary or permanent.
[X] Security measures will be developed.
-[X] Permanent Anti-Magic enchantment.
-[X] Tracking enchantment.
[X] Oriko and Sabrina will keep trying to talk with her.

[X] Oriko's negotiation with Anri, ensuring cooperation:
-[X] Inviting her to help in de-Witching Yuuri.
-[X] Let her make reasonable demands about her living arrangements.

[X] Hijiri:
-[X] We can't find her. Offer to fly around.
-[X] For better safety, offer to make a Grief Sensing device, to be copied.

[X] Return the Memory Device.
[X] 'Return' the Derrick Witch Seed instead of Arzt Kochen.

The Pleiades don't really have that many seeds, not that they need any more than the Clear Seeds. We're not hurting for Seeds either, really. Mami's got some. Homu's got some. They go unused, so we can ask if we need Seeds.

On another note, how much longer are we going to stay in Asunaro?

After we deal with Airi, I think we can go.

Muramasa said:

On another note, how much longer are we going to stay in Asunaro?

After we deal with Airi, I think we can go.

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I'm thinking if we don't find Hijiri, Kazumi will likely tell us to leave it to her and the Pleiades.

We could theoretically spend some time in Asunaro before going, but since we've got Anri to take care of, and since everyone's tired, we'll most likely be going home.

Also, school is a thing for Mami and Sayaka.

And we need to meet the Shiogama girls.

And if we're taking Anri, we also need to figure out how keep her secured... I mean, O&K can watch her, but not all the time.

[ ] 'Nadia halp.'

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By the way, I legit want Sabrina to take the time to personally and individually thank/hug/congratulate every single meguca for their good job today here before departing. Everyone. Except Anri, of course.

[X] Plan Onmur