I wonder if her AM beam would have the same effect on a lump of inert grief. I imagine a witches 'body' is just an active construct like the kind we make and I bet they'd get disrupted pretty hard by AM.
Puella Magi Adfligo Systema
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- The Surface Of A Hostile Planet
As a compromise (and I know it's a compromise because I dislike it and I'm sure Aura will too), we can just grab Hijiri's gem and hold it. Like, with our hands.
Pros: She can't go more than 100m away from us anymore. We don't trigger her as hard as gemming would.
Cons: She can still act, and may react violently.
[X] Onmur
Kkutlord
Prince of Breath
- Location
- Indianapolis, Indiana
Degemming is a pretty bad idea for several reasons, like establishing the wrong intent or making meguca harder to deal with, but there's also a pragmatic reason- It isn't instantaneous in effect. So being close, Hijiri would have plenty of time to attack Sabrina before she could disconnect. Plus, even just snatching her gem is gonna undo a lot of progress.
Going full-on Souju should be nothing more than a last measure, as there's pretty much nothing Sabrina could do to regain trust or befriend someone after that. Realistically, anyone would be paranoid and afraid of someone who turned their consciousness off. Hijiri and Anri may have serious issues, but degemming gets Sabrina nothing.
Going full-on Souju should be nothing more than a last measure, as there's pretty much nothing Sabrina could do to regain trust or befriend someone after that. Realistically, anyone would be paranoid and afraid of someone who turned their consciousness off. Hijiri and Anri may have serious issues, but degemming gets Sabrina nothing.
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- ⇙
Goddamnit Hijiri. She really has a talent to make things worse for herself. At least she seems regretful about it.
What does she even want to accomplish by running away or joining Anri now? Sure she has a lot of powers, but she just saw that we have some way of finding magical girls, so it's only a matter of time until we get her again after she escapes. Does she think dealing with Anri will stop us long enough that she can slip away?
What does she even want to accomplish by running away or joining Anri now? Sure she has a lot of powers, but she just saw that we have some way of finding magical girls, so it's only a matter of time until we get her again after she escapes. Does she think dealing with Anri will stop us long enough that she can slip away?
AuraTwilight
The Sorcerer of Smiles
- Location
- The Silver City
We technically don't know that Hijiri is running off to rejoin Airi.
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- ⇙
I know. That's why I put an or in there. I actually doubt Hijiri will join up with Anri and think she's mostly using Anri's presence as a distraction to make her getaway. I just really don't understand where she intends to go from here.
Going by her bitter smile, she has at least some doubts about her current decision.
Going by her bitter smile, she has at least some doubts about her current decision.
I can't help but think that Hijiri's decision is the direct result of the phrasing that went into the update. Consider:
Without a "if you won't let me" or "I can only help you get it yourself", we basically said the exact opposite of what we wanted. And Hijiri directly echoes what we actually said.
Or am I just misinterpreting things?
Without a "if you won't let me" or "I can only help you get it yourself", we basically said the exact opposite of what we wanted. And Hijiri directly echoes what we actually said.
Or am I just misinterpreting things?
The Narrator
Disembodied Voice
- Location
- Somewhere Offscreen
No, that's how the line comes off to me, too. And that sentence wasn't anywhere in the winning vote.
AuraTwilight
The Sorcerer of Smiles
- Location
- The Silver City
Pfft, wow, I didn't even notice that.
Great job, guys. Can we please dial back the Hijiri-frustration then?
- Location
- Not the asylum anymore
- Pronouns
- She/Her
One thing I want to say is that if we let Hijiri go, then the Pleiades will be pissed; Mirai especially. Unless we manage to get Mami to agree with us to spin it as "she escaped, nothing we could do to stop it", relations will be impacted.
I expect Sayaka also won't be happy about it.
So, in between pissing off our allies and seeing any good will we have with Hijiri tank, I have to choose the latter.
Damn it.
[X] Onmur
I expect Sayaka also won't be happy about it.
So, in between pissing off our allies and seeing any good will we have with Hijiri tank, I have to choose the latter.
Damn it.
[X] Onmur
The Phoenixian
The Glacier Witch
- Location
- My own little world
She's effectively teleporting away. This is quite likely to result in another Sakura situation, gemming her.
So... I'm with Aura, but I'd like to offer a substantively different proposal for an alternative.
Track, and/or chase her.
She's taking the form of lightning: Bright obvious and visible. However actual speed wise it's a bit lacking from what one might expect: Saki's lightning is slow enough that we can see it moving. Not sure how it matches up to our own acceleration but, if need be, and we can't, Sayaka has most of her powerset and is capable of matching her speed.
For reference, I asked Firn specifically on the discord:
Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
So, I don't like playing the odds, but what are the odds if we restrain her while she's lightning-ized, then she won't be able to escape simply because Mami Tomoe is there?
[] Restrain Hijiri. Then take her Gem; explain she can't leave without it.
-[] Give the Gem to Mami and leave her guarding Hijiri; ask the Pleiades to pick her up.
-[] If you can't contain her:
--[] If she goes to Anri, Gem both with extreme prejudice.
--[] If she goes away, tell the Pleiades; they'll catch her.
[] Simultaneously:
-[] Ask the Pleiades to pick up Hijiri. Explain she tried to escape.
-[] Ask Mami to guard Hijiri until she's picked up.
-[] Go face Anri alone.
-[] Ask Oriko if she could talk Anri down, and what does she need in that case.
[] Grief armor underlayer., and protect your Gem.
[] If Oriko answered...
-[] No: Gem Anri with extreme prejudice.
-[] Yes: Try to comply if Oriko had any instructions, and buy time for her to arrive.
--[] Potential actions (Anri):
---[] Re-introduce yourself. Apologize for earlier.
---[] Ask about her. Who is she; what does she want; why does she believe Kyuubey.
--[] Ask Mami to provide sniper support, outside hearing range, just in case.
[] Restrain Hijiri. Then take her Gem; explain she can't leave without it.
-[] Give the Gem to Mami and leave her guarding Hijiri; ask the Pleiades to pick her up.
-[] If you can't contain her:
--[] If she goes to Anri, Gem both with extreme prejudice.
--[] If she goes away, tell the Pleiades; they'll catch her.
[] Simultaneously:
-[] Ask the Pleiades to pick up Hijiri. Explain she tried to escape.
-[] Ask Mami to guard Hijiri until she's picked up.
-[] Go face Anri alone.
-[] Ask Oriko if she could talk Anri down, and what does she need in that case.
[] Grief armor underlayer., and protect your Gem.
[] If Oriko answered...
-[] No: Gem Anri with extreme prejudice.
-[] Yes: Try to comply if Oriko had any instructions, and buy time for her to arrive.
--[] Potential actions (Anri):
---[] Re-introduce yourself. Apologize for earlier.
---[] Ask about her. Who is she; what does she want; why does she believe Kyuubey.
--[] Ask Mami to provide sniper support, outside hearing range, just in case.
But it's true.
Spectral Waltz
Scatterbrained Writer
- Location
- Walking the Endless Corridors
[X] Onmur
Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
So Hijiri's escaping.
Her travel method is very flashy.
I'm afraid she might get away, but if we take her Gem without disconnecting her, at worst she would disconnect herself? If she doesn't listen if we warn her about it?
[ ] Take Hijiri's Gem and give it Mami.
[ ] Simultaneous telepathy:
-[ ] Hijiri: If listening, explain she can't leave without her Gem.
-[ ] Mami, Sayaka, Pleiades, re-catch Hijiri.
-[ ] Oriko, Kirika, and Sabrina go deal with Anri.
Plan for dealing with Anri unchanged.
Her travel method is very flashy.
I'm afraid she might get away, but if we take her Gem without disconnecting her, at worst she would disconnect herself? If she doesn't listen if we warn her about it?
[ ] Take Hijiri's Gem and give it Mami.
[ ] Simultaneous telepathy:
-[ ] Hijiri: If listening, explain she can't leave without her Gem.
-[ ] Mami, Sayaka, Pleiades, re-catch Hijiri.
-[ ] Oriko, Kirika, and Sabrina go deal with Anri.
Plan for dealing with Anri unchanged.
-[] Ask Oriko if she could talk Anri down, and what does she need in that case.
[] Grief armor underlayer., and protect your Gem.
[] If Oriko answered...
-[] No: Gem Anri with extreme prejudice.
-[] Yes: Try to comply if Oriko had any instructions, and buy time for her to arrive.
--[] Potential actions (Anri):
---[] Re-introduce yourself. Apologize for earlier.
---[] Ask about her. Who is she; what does she want; why does she believe Kyuubey.
--[] Ask Mami to provide sniper support, outside hearing range, just in case.
[] Grief armor underlayer., and protect your Gem.
[] If Oriko answered...
-[] No: Gem Anri with extreme prejudice.
-[] Yes: Try to comply if Oriko had any instructions, and buy time for her to arrive.
--[] Potential actions (Anri):
---[] Re-introduce yourself. Apologize for earlier.
---[] Ask about her. Who is she; what does she want; why does she believe Kyuubey.
--[] Ask Mami to provide sniper support, outside hearing range, just in case.
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Raiseth
I Find Your Lack of Memes Disturbing
- Location
- Russia
I was meaning to ask: what happens to the Gem if we solidify Grief around it to hold it in place, but someone tries to yank it from us by, say, moving as fast as lightning?
Because physics say something very unpleasant.
Physics is a killjoy.
Edit: Afterprocrastinating about voting for a long time careful deliberations,
[X] AuraTwilight
We are so gonna regret this either way.
Because physics say something very unpleasant.
Physics is a killjoy.
Edit: After
[X] AuraTwilight
We are so gonna regret this either way.
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DB_Explorer
Purveyor of alternate realities.
- Location
- San Diego, California
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- He/Him
[x] AuraTwilight
.... oops? Wait does that mean we fucked up the vote or was this Brina-Pilot mis-wording it?
.... oops? Wait does that mean we fucked up the vote or was this Brina-Pilot mis-wording it?
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- The Surface Of A Hostile Planet
It was Brina-pilot fucking things up. Literally none of the votes, including drafts, included that phrasing. Additionally, literally no vote related posts from the last update cycle included the string "can't help". This wasn't our fault.
I suppose this means we're going back to picking direct phrasings in quotation marks now, instead of intent based votes.
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- USA
Does gemming feel distinctly different and obvious than other forms of sudden unconciousness? Especially if she's surrounded by sensory-depriving grief fog would she be able to tell the difference between "cut a puppets strings" and "whatever she already did to Niko" and "any other sudden mundane knockout" ?
Also, is it possible to work this to an advantage somehow? After all if Hijiri is worried about feeling artificial because of the witch, but its made clear that shes really no different than Niko or any other magical girl and no less real (because it works for all of them) ...... well, the Freezer made her freak out, but we've established that canon Hijiri is nonsense with her motivations. Would it help this one feel not-so-different? And anyways, gemming a girl is not really all that different than how any human might suddenly turn off if we snatched out the wrong bit of them
Is i worse because we can turn them back on, I guess? ......Being that this is anime, whats the chances someone wished that Hollywood Knockouts were reality, due to some complicated tragic backstory?It may just be the lily-tinted lenses consuming my eyes, but I've gotten the vibe these last few updates that theres something more between Hijiri and Anri. After all, this sudden prison-break (that she seemingly could've managed any time? At least since leaving) was only prompted by us closing in on Anri where we'd previously spent hours trying and failing to find anyone who didn't find us first. And now she's traveling rather than attacking, so possibly going to join Anri and escape (with possible though inexplicable knowledge of our latest tracking trick).
.... Was that phrasing mandated by the winning vote, or Brina-pilot? Can we get some @Firnagzen WoG on whether that "Brina fooked up" interpretation is accurate? I remember reading it the same way and finding it odd when i sleepily read last night....