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Onmur said:
The truth is, we have something of an unfair advantadge when dealing with Homura. If we ask her to do something, now after she's opened up to us and sees us as someone who is plain better than herself at doing what needs to be done (with maybe a couple of exceptions), she's gonna feel pressured into agreeing.
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Especially when the things that we're asking her to do are important to keep Madoka safe. For example: Bad situations make Madoka want to wish. Fixing bad situations reduces the likelihood of Madoka deciding to wish both by not presenting opportunities and by building her belief that we can fix it without a wish. Homura doesn't care how or whether we ask her to help us - seeing that we are doing things that keep Madoka safe is the only thing that matters to build her trust. How that happens is immaterial. We could sit at home and do nothing but tell Homura what to do all day and if Madoka turned out safe she'd do anything for us.
BlackoutSampler said:
I don't think Homura will want to or agree to come with us to investigate, for the simple reason that it would mean leaving Mitihara, and by extension Madoka (temporarily). Every other instance we abused Homura's Timestop, we were still within roofhoppable distance from Madoka in case shit got real. Even if it isn't that far by MOF distance, Homura would still have to walk back if she either feels we are spending too much effort there instead of in Mitihara or if something happens to us and she needs to get back to ensure Madoka's safety.
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Homura, canonically, will leave an uncontracted Madoka alone in Mitakihara for weeks at a time if she has sufficient reason to. One such sufficient reason is elaborated on in the recent Magia Record game, where a town appears in which magical girls do not become witches. I believe that what we are doing today is of similar magnitude - not only are we acting to protect a group that made major canonical progress on dewitching and built a wholly successful anti-Kyubey barrier, how we respond to the theft of a clear seed strongly influences the success of that program going forward. I believe that either of those would on its own be enough to take Homura outside Mitakihara.
 
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Yes, but we don't really have a timetable other than SOON, and you know how timeframes get weird when it comes to quests. My guess would be the chapter after we resolve this mess, but the QM is hardly going to just go 'whoops you missed her' on us. Presumably she'll arrive just as something truly horrible and soul-related goes down, probably with one of Sabrina's friends.

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We should really keep an eye on Sayaka, just in case.
 
If Homura doesn't have a sports bike or three in her shield I call bullshit anyway. She wouldn't have to walk back to Mitakihara, that's scaremongering, and the Clear Seed we gave her gives her a good few centuries of stopped time to work with with no further input from us.
 
Redshirt Army said:
If Homura doesn't have a sports bike or three in her shield I call bullshit anyway. She wouldn't have to walk back to Mitakihara, that's scaremongering, and the Clear Seed we gave her gives her a good few centuries of stopped time to work with with no further input from us.
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Plus she defaults to finding timestop to be peaceful and relaxing. Especially now that we're giving her enough cleansing that she can safely sleep in timestop, I bet she'd almost call it a vacation.
 
Just to clarify, nobody's planning to tell Homura to self propel herself all the distance between Asunaro and Mitakihara, right? Just to clarify.

... Unless she does have a plane. Or a helicopter. Why haven't we asked? That'd be cool.
 
I'm going to laugh my ass off if Sayaka arrives completely freaked out because it turns out that Homura is one of those motorcyclists.

Also: If Homura doesn't have a helo or a jet, we should make sure to pick some up while we're raiding the JSDF.
 
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Vebyast said:
I'm going to laugh my ass off if Sayaka arrives completely freaked out because it turns out that Homura is one of those motorcyclists.

Also: If Homura doesn't have a helo or a jet, we should make sure to pick some up while we're raiding the JSDF.
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She has a BATTLESHIP in there. It might take some folding, but I think we can do better than that. Track down a technopath who can run things with magic, and a B-52 stratofortress, and we have our new mobile headquarters for our international reign of terror philanthropic orginization. Plus, it means that we can try some of the more collateral damage heavy options, like tossing around mini gamma-ray bursts or directed anti-matter reactions. Actually, on that note, make sure that Sabrina never talks to anyone with any understanding of high energy particle physics/fondness for very hard sci-fi.
 
Onmur said:
There's a bit of overlap. At the very least, we kickstarted this problem early, leaving such nice shiny bait for one of the Asunaro villains to take.
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And whoever stole it knew about its existence...how? It hasn't even been a day. The only one who saw it (aside from the three we took with us to Mitakihara) was Niko.

The problem we created is the one where meguca will be fighting over Empty Seeds until such a time everybody's got one, or at least know they can ask for one.
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The problem is not that a Clear Seed was stolen, it's that Niko was attacked, which is indicative of a much greater problem--namely, Hijiri, or perhaps the Soujos (unlikely for the latter, as they'd have stolen Niko's Soul Gem if they managed to subdue her).

And that's a problem we very much created. We shouldn't impose on Homura to fix that.
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If it was just the Clear Seed being stolen, we wouldn't be rushing over to Asunaro or asking for timestop to begin with. The reason this is a crisis is...well, see above.



For the current situation, I think we did go over Niko's possible research with Homura, so I've got hopes she'll be cooperative. If not coming along, at least letting us consider the idea of taking Kirika along, maybe.

Though I doubt Sayaka would like to team up with Kirika, and since we're likely taking Sayaka...
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Having Kirika along would have its uses, but at the same time, it might be helpful for her to be with Oriko, just in case of Feathers shenanigans.
 
SaltyWaffles said:
And whoever stole it knew about its existence...how? It hasn't even been a day. The only one who saw it (aside from the three we took with us to Mitakihara) was Niko.
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Remember there was a meguca trailing Niko. We commented on it at some point, and the Pleiades didn't seem worried, but...

SaltyWaffles said:
The problem is not that a Clear Seed was stolen, it's that Niko was attacked, which is indicative of a much greater problem--namely, Hijiri, or perhaps the Soujos (unlikely for the latter, as they'd have stolen Niko's Soul Gem if they managed to subdue her).
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The thing is, these aren't Homura's problems.

She might help, yes. But I'll keep worrying about the future of the thread, hopefully in vain.
 
AFAIK Homura's ability to put huge objects into her shield is mostly fanon. The tanker and missile trucks we see her use in the canon Walpurgis battle were likely placed in their positions long before the battle started. We only ever actually see her store man-portable gear in her shield; guns, RPGs, mortars, etc.
For example,
Origmai Clock said:
She has a BATTLESHIP in there.
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there is no indication that Homura ever had a battleship in her shield. This notion likely came from quests like Ersatz.

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In addition, she never uses a battleship, or any naval vessel, in the anime at all. The missiles she uses are mounted on land-based mobile launchers (essentially big trucks), not ships.
 
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The world sucks => Madoka wants to wish => Homura has a problem

We are making the world suck less => Madoka will want to wish less if we succeed => Homura can act to make Madoka safer => Homura helps us

We make Madoka safer => We have a history of creating situations that end up with Madoka being safer => Homura trusts us to do things that will turn out to make Madoka safer

Homura is not the kind of selfish that short-sightedly condemns anything that isn't an instant solution neatly gift-wrapped. She is fully aware that by helping magical girls everywhere we are helping her and Madoka, and she is further fully aware that this is an inevitable and necessary step in our plan to help magical girls everywhere. This isn't a problem that we are abdicating responsibility for, we are not running to cling to her skirts, we are not showing weakness, we do not need to establish dominance. We need to build a certain kind of social structure and smashing people that steal Clear Seeds is a necessary and effective means for building that social structure. One of my earlier votes in this situation called this an opportunity and I was absolutely literal about that - we have an opportunity here to firmly establish rules that will help magical girls everywhere. It's the same principal that's at work when a group that's looking to challenge a law waits for a case to pop up that they can use to force the courts to consider that law - we have created an opportunity here to send a message about the fairness and openness of our plans for Clear Seeds.
 
I'll repeat myself:

As of Magia Record, the official team that writes the canonical PMMM series, InuCurry, has established Homura's characterization such that she is willing to leave Mitakihara for several weeks in order to research credible rumors of dewitching.

We have told her, and have credible reason to believe, that Niko Kanna has useful insights into dewitching. Ergo, Homura will treat this situation with similar urgency to us.

This isn't really debatable.
 
Onmur said:
There's a bit of overlap. At the very least, we kickstarted this problem early, leaving such nice shiny bait for one of the Asunaro villains to take.

The problem we created is the one where meguca will be fighting over Empty Seeds until such a time everybody's got one, or at least know they can ask for one
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Not to mention the possibly angry, obsessed doppelganger who Sabrina decided to put off and not warn anyone about.:V

Although, there's no proof it's her just yet. Or that she's even active. Still, she is the most obvious and likely suspect.
 
[x] Redshirt Army

He and Veb are absolutely right on all possible points. Also, it's 4 in the morning. Kyubey never woke Madoka's ass up before her usual wake-up times before. We're fine.
 
Onmur said:
The thing is, these aren't Homura's problems.

She might help, yes. But I'll keep worrying about the future of the thread, hopefully in vain.
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These are her problems. She wants allies for Walpurgisnacht. One of her allies was just attacked, and we need to at least deliver her teammates back to her team immediately to ensure their safety. Her timestop makes this easy.

[X] Redshirt Army
 
[X] Onmur

I agree that "ask for volunteers" is the right way to do this.
Requisitioning Homura's power at 4am is presuming too much, and the difference could be important.
If we wind up not getting timestop for Asunaro, we can cope. Honestly it could make for a more interesting story.

I support taking Oriko to Asunaro. Or anywhere but here, really.
It would be great if that let her get her powers back, but priority number one is that she stops costing us reputation points with Homura.


[X] ...except don't telepathy Madoka before checking with Homura first. We're handling Madoka badly -- we really should just tell her everything -- but this is Homura's thing and we shouldn't push this.

(It occurred to me that "telepathy all your friends" would technically include Madoka; not sure if that's intentional.)

(We are fretting a lot in this thread over what Homura thinks of us. Not saying it's wrong, just -- y'know -- saying.)
 
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Wirikidor said:
[X] Onmur

I agree that "ask for volunteers" is the right way to do this.
Requisitioning Homura's power at 4am is presuming too much, and the difference could be important.
If we wind up not getting timestop for Asunaro, we can cope. Honestly it could make for a more interesting story.

I support taking Oriko to Asunaro. Or anywhere but here, really.
It would be great if that let her get her powers back, but priority number one is that she stops costing us reputation points with Homura.


[X] ...except don't telepathy Madoka before checking with Homura first. We're handling Madoka badly -- we really should just tell her everything -- but this is Homura's thing and we shouldn't push this.

(It occurred to me that "telepathy all your friends" would technically include Madoka; not sure if that's intentional.)

(We are fretting a lot in this thread over what Homura thinks of us. Not saying it's wrong, just -- y'know -- saying.)
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It was intentional.

Torgamous said:
I worry that waking up Madoka for this will just be rubbing her uselessness in her face.
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I said:
Weight it against her finding out later, having been excluded...
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