Ambies are at their best responding. GBZ ships don't respond to events. The GBZ needs combat capabilities, and a pair of Rennies bring more fighting strength for less cost.
Non-EC ambies go in the HBZ, SBZ and CBZs first. Then to the KBZ and RBZ.
Created a temporary spreadsheet to estimate how much extra income we'd receive if we ratified two members this year instead of one: ToBoldlyGo Ratification Schedule
Assumptions:
1) Counting Honiani and Yan-Ros ratification together, since: a) we haven't gotten major affiliation bonuses for the Yan-Ros since they hit 300 relation in 2316; and b) there's a decent chance they'll be merged into the Honiani like the Obar soonish.
2) 6 back-to-back ratifications. Two ratifications in 2318, and one ratification per year until 2322.
3) The first to be ratified is Caldonia. Other than who the first ratification is, the order doesn't really matter.
4) I obviously have to estimate what the future ratification bonuses are. I based my estimations on historical major affiliation => ratification income deltas.
Then the net income bonuses from ratifying one member earlier is: sum of (one year of ratification income increases) per ratified member, excluding the first.
Here's my predicted income deltas per ratification (from major affiliate incomes):
Core World
BR
SR
PP
RP
O
E
T
Caldonia
15
10
3
5
0.2
0.45
0.8
Rethelia (Seyek)
30
10
5
1.2
1.2
1.2
Risa
10
10
3
3
0.15
0.15
0.15
Arqueniou (Qloathi)
35
15
3
5
1.1
1.1
1.2
Honiani + Yan-Ros
35
15
5
5
1.1
1.2
1.15
Paddah (Ked Paddah)
25
35
5
1.25
1.35
1.35
Excluding the Caldonia, that all adds to be:
135br, 85sr, 21pp, 13rp, 4.8O, 5E, 5.05T
For comparison:
- If we bought a 10(25)sr mining colony this snakepit for 8pp, for 4 year time period starting next year, we'd accrue 100sr.
- If we bought an academy development (0.5O/E/T) this snakepit for 50pp, for the 5 year time starting this year, we'd accrue 2.5O/E/T.
Meanwhile, the "Push for two new members this year" snakepit option cost 180pp last year.
I'd say purely on resource income benefits, it's hard to say whether it's worth it. Although we do have very few levers to get crew, so it something that's effectively equivalent to two early academy development options is attractive (which probably would normally cost 50+55=105pp).
But that's only the "tangibles".
For security purposes, like getting the Seyek onboard ASAP and protecting from HoH influence that bit faster, along with obviating some useless diplomacy events targeting already-500 affiliates, this could still be worth it.
On the other hand, it's still overt meddling with Council politics... but perhaps such lobbying is par for the course?
The GBZ is going to be continual thorn in the side untill matters get properly resolved so my recomendation would be to set the goal as doing sufficient damage that the Cardasian Union is forced to negoitiate a fixed frontier in the GBZ or completely removing all Cardasian assets in the GBZ. Simpl flailing arround destroying a few vessels or and outposts will not be sufficient.
Pick their most isolated outposts (preferably mining colonies) and drive inward making like Sherman as we go until we meet significant resistance, then ball up and smash the resistance flat, then repeat.
The Kaldar refit should put that cruiser just shy of the Excelsior-A in performance if not generally equivelenet...there's also the Largot to worry about. The Excelsior-A is a refit of a ship that is already approaching 30 years old, you people are talking about having them go up against things in the same development generation of the Ambassador and Later... Remember also that the horizon stuck Excelsior-A Equivelent stats or at least Combat Stats on something a whole megaton under it in size.
Ambies are at their best responding. GBZ ships don't respond to events. The GBZ needs combat capabilities, and a pair of Rennies bring more fighting strength for less cost.
Non-EC ambies go in the HBZ, SBZ and CBZs first. Then to the KBZ and RBZ.
1) We could build an E-A equivalent significantly lighter these days too. 1500kt cruiser frames are pretty awesome. Explorers are always fluffier for a given stat than anything else.
2) If multiple ships jump a single ship, due to the combat engine unless that single ship is incredibly badass it loses. And no, an Amby is not badass enough.
The Kaldar refit should put that cruiser just shy of the Excelsior-A in performance if not generally equivelenet...there's also the Largot to worry about. The Excelsior-A is a refit of a ship that is already approaching 30 years old, you people are talking about having them go up against things in the same development generation of the Ambassador and Later... Remember also that the horizon stuck Excelsior-A Equivelent stats or at least Combat Stats on something a whole megaton under it in size.
Clearly that idea didn't work, the Konen are isolating and hitting SINGLE SHIPS!
We need a single ship that they can't break, that and I'd be willing to bet that Sabotage wasn't a C/L/H Test....
This is actually exactly why I'm reluctant to use Ambassadors in the GBZ. The konen are good at ambushing lone ships. The Ambassador is an extremely expensive and (in the short term) irreplaceable single ship. I'm not at all convinced that a lone Ambassador will survive a well executed konen ambush much better than an Ex-A would.
Guys, news from discord*: we're gonna 50pp EACH for the Council Defense Goal and Science Goal achievements that were delayed from last year.
According to my ledger, that means we have:
2317 EOY: 458
MWCO: -55
CL Q1: 25
CL Q2: 50
CL Q3: 20
2x Excelsior commissioned by Q2: 10
Both Council Goals achieved: 100
Grand pre-snakepit total: 608pp
edit: ....and Oneiros dangles the carrot out of reach - that 100pp is delayed for next snakepit >.<
So 508pp it is.
* I know some peeps can't or won't use Discord, so this should be verified whenever Oneiros posts the snakepit.
The Kaldar refit should put that cruiser just shy of the Excelsior-A in performance if not generally equivelenet...there's also the Largot to worry about. The Excelsior-A is a refit of a ship that is already approaching 30 years old, you people are talking about having them go up against things in the same development generation of the Ambassador and Later... Remember also that the horizon stuck Excelsior-A Equivelent stats or at least Combat Stats on something a whole megaton under it in size.
Clearly that idea didn't work, the Konen are isolating and hitting SINGLE SHIPS!
We need a single ship that they can't break, that and I'd be willing to bet that Sabotage wasn't a C/L/H Test....
The Excelsior design is canonical refittable enough that a properly refit Excelsior can tangle with Ben Sisko's Pimp Hand and have reasonable chance of success. Don't bother arguing we can't keep it up to date with refits, show canon says otherwise.
The stock Kaldar is down a point of C, two points of S, a point of L and a point of D from the stock Excelsior. The refit isn't likely to add as much as the Excelsior refit did because they've got less room to work with and the Excelsior has insane refit potential.
And an E-A is at a substantial edge over a Lorgot. Same C, but better S, H, L and D. A Lorgot refit would have a better chance - but there's no sign such a thing exists.
[X][NASH] Instruct Nash to hold tight and prepare for an offensive starting at the end of Q2 (Reinforcements from anywhere many be provided, allows both sides an extra turn to prepare)
-[X] Reinforce as follows: Lightning (Centaur-A) from Sol Sector, Husacar (Constitution-B) from Andor Sector, Endurance (Excelsior-A) and Bull (Blooded Centaur-A) from Ferasa Sector, Avandar (Excelsior) from Rigel Sector, Yukikaze (Blooded Centaur-A) from Apinae Sector, Inspire (Oberth) and Calypso (Miranda-A) from RBZ, Thirishar (Blooded Excelsior) and Dynamo (Miranda-A) from KBZ, Spirit (Excelsior-A) and Reason (Renaissance) from CBZ, Zephyr (Blooded Centaur-A) and Gale (Blooded Centaur-A) from SBZ, and Svai (Miranda-A) from LBZ = Total Reinforcements of 2 Excelsior-A, 2 Excelsior (1 Blooded), 1 Constitution-B, 1 Renaissance, 5 Centaur-A (4 Blooded), 3 Miranda-A, and 1 Oberth
2318.Q2
Federation Broadcast Service, Election Night Headlines
Andorian Worlds:
Development Councillor Phyria ch'Galleth holds Andoria against Pacifist attempts to reclaim it.
Expansion Candidate Fanath th'Inank in a shock upset secures Kadann over Development Councillor Somo sh'Viarriq
Jorlyth sh'Arrath retains the seat of Landle IV for Expansionists
Expansion Councillosr Tohlaav ch'Thyllarh holds Sardry IV
In a surprise, the Hawks flip Thiak V, Kas zh'Hanash defeating the incumbent ch'Vuhlan-X
But Shrantet III does the reverse, and the Expansionist Aror th'Tirhen are returned to power at the expense of the Hawk Jhran zh'Chevyth
Tiven zh'Ovallat-P retains Ranford III
Human Worlds:
Development keeps Joburg again, returning Cassandra McCale-D comfortably
Viraat Mohli of Lalande-D has lost to Expansionist candidate Ivan Djulbic.
Councillor Josef Nkumba of Mars-D ends his long tenure, losing to the former Admiral Rogers-H
Expansionist stalwart Hayley Singh has been returned comfortably to her seat of Alpha Centauri.
Time to break out a round of applause for another old veteran of the Council. Expansionist Party leader Rob Langford of Earth has conceded victory to the Pacifist candidate Trina Bettelheim in a shock upset.
Vega sees a nail-biter as thought to be safe Alexander Kwan-H narrows beats out a development Candidate.
In an apparent backlash to go-slow tactics employed in the leadup to the Arcadian War, Councillor Casey Wang of New Seoul-P has been defeated not by the Expansionists who were tipped to take the seat, but by Development candidate Mahmud Sukarno.
Tellarite Worlds:
Lagh Cheg II remains a safe Development seat, returning Duss bav Xorggarv easily.
Agrad mac Kragac of Ord Grind Duk-D is returned safely.
As is Development party leader Glagh brisc Jorth of Tellar Prime-D.
In a boilover, Ihrgar Grund of Klivvar Proxima-H has been defeated by Development candidate Agar Kugav, who will be very pleased to pick up the border world.
Popular Pacifist Councillor Xom bim Cherr is returned easily to Sar Alpha.
Vulcan Worlds:
Councillor Sadek, right hand of the President in the Council, has been returned to represent Atatan in a landslide, a clear vindication for his handling of the Arcadian War.
T'Torah of 82 Eridani-P sees off an Expansionist challenge to retain her seat.
As does Hamith of Delta Vega.
Vrol of Hagelan-P overturns predictions by keeping the seat he took from the Expansionists at the last election.
...and in electoral news that is pending a Level 0 diagnostic of Solitude's electoral machines, a rare and unexpected ray of light for the Hawks, as T'Prinit-P loses her seat to Hawks T'Jal.
Councillor Stesk of Vulcan-P retains his seat despite a spirited campaign by a Development candidate.
Overall:
So all in all, nine seats changed party. Development lost 3, Expansionist lost 2, Pacifists lost 2, and Hawks lost 2. On the other side of the ledger, Expansionist gained 3 for a net +1, Hawks picked up 3 for a net +1, Development picked up 2 for a net -1, and the Pacifists picked up 1 for a net -1.
Expansionists thus were able to claw back a little of their electoral disaster from six years past, while Hawks continue to secure additional support.
Most notably, there is no longer any path to a 2 party majority, with all party combinations now requiring support from at least three sources.
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[ ][COUNCIL] Submit a plan to the Council
(You may select any number of options, as long as you can pay the Political Will cost. You currently have five-hundred-and-eight (508) Political Will to spend.
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Federation Council Options for 2318.Q2
With 508pp available, a lot of options may be taken. If many projects of a similar type are undertaken (most particularly, if the Engineering resources are stretched too thin) it may cause delays in implementation.
Request a Sweeping Tactical Review, which will clear all roles and allow them to be redefined en mass, 50pp
Advocate for a particular Affiliate to be Ratified as a Member first, 180pp
Request Mining Colony at An Arai V, 8pp, 10 (20) sr/yr
Request development of San Francisco Fleet Yards, 18pp (4 turns, gain new 1m t berth) [Can take multiple times, +5pp per subsequent build]
Request development of 40 Eridani A Shipyards, 22pp (4 turns, gain new 1m t berth) [Can take multiple times, +5pp per subsequent build]
Request development of Ana Font Shipyard, 18pp (4 turns, gain 1 new 1m t berth) [Can take multiple times, +5pp per subsequent build]
Request development of Lor'Vela Orbital Construction Facility, 18pp (4 turns, gain 1 new 1m t berth) [Can take multiple times, +5pp per subsequent build]
Request development of Oreasa Starfleet Yards, 18pp (4 turns, gain 1 new 1m t berth) [Can take multiple times, +5pp per subsequent build]
Request development of Intazzi Shipyards, 18pp (4 turns, gain 1 new 1m t berth) [Can take multiple times, +5pp per subsequent build]
Request development of Lasieth Craft Yards, 12pp (4 turns, gain 1 new 1m t berth) [Can take multiple times, +5pp per subsequent build]
Request Excelsior berth at a shipyard, 38pp (6 turns, gain new 3m t berth) [+5 for every extra 3mt berth present at shipyard past the first]
Request Cruiser berth at Utopia Planitia, 16pp (6 turns, gain new 2m t berth) [Can take multiple times, +5pp per subsequent build]
Request development of Utopia Planitia, 38pp, (4 turns, gain 1 3mt, 1 1mt berth)
Request new Shipyard at Amarkia, 53pp (12 turns, 1 3mt Berth, 1 1mt Berth)
Request new Shipyard at Ferasa, 37pp, (12 turns, 1 3mt Berth)
Request new Shipyard at Rigel, 37pp, (12 turns, 1 3mt Berth)
Request new Shipyard at Indoria, 28pp (12 turns, 1 1mt Berth)
Request new Shipyard at Gaen, 37pp, (12 turns, 2 x 2mt Berth)
Request new Shipyard at Orion, 53pp (12 turns, 1 2mt Berth, 2 1mt Berth)
Request new Auxiliary Shipyard at <System>, 60pp, (12 turns, 1x2mt, 4x1mt Berth)
Request new Starbase I [Write in Sector] 20pp, +12pp for each Starbase past the first in-sector - GBZ Invalid
Reduce Militarisation Level 70pp
Increase Threat Level 55pp
Request Ongoing Budget increase 60pp (Roll for success)
Request Allocation for an Excelsior's resources, one-off-infusion of an Excelsior's cost, 45pp
Request Academy Development, 50pp (Gain +.5 Officers/Enlisted/Techs throughput)
UPDATED Request Service Academy Development, 15pp (Gain +1 Enlisted throughput)
Request Temporary Explorer Corps Recruitment Drive, 25pp, (Gain 2 Officer, 2 Enlisted, 2 Techs, PLUS Convert 2 Officer, 2 Enlisted, 2 Techs from normal service)
Request Start of General Cruiser project, receiving one-off boost of Research Points and go-ahead for some projects, 23pp
Request Start of Combat Frigate project, receiving one-off boost of Research Points and go-ahead for some projects, 25pp
Request Start of Garrison Frigate project, receiving one-off boost of Research Points and go-ahead for some projects, 25pp
Request new Tech Team to be added to your Ship Design Bureau, 40pp
Request focused Diplomacy on a potential member species, 20pp (One affiliate or prospective race will undergo accelerate diplomacy) [Can be taken up to four times]
Reorganise a Starfleet Command from a Rear Admiral position to a Vice Admiral position. Pick one: 30pp for Medical, 30pp for Personnel
Reorganise a Starfleet Command from a Vice Admiral position to an Admiral position. Pick one: 50pp for Shipyard Ops, 55pp for Ship Design Bureau, 45pp for Starfleet Tactical (This may create subordinate Vice Admiral positions)
Sponsor efforts to create additional Critical Ship Infrastructure on another world, 50pp (Pick world)
Sponsor efforts to create Heavy Industrial park to reduce construction times by 25% in that system when making either a parallel or serial build, provides Heavy Industry options pre-SoE, 8 turns, 115pp (pick world)
Sponsor efforts for a Major Shipyard Preparations to pave the way for a Utopia Planitia style shipyard, 4 turns, 75pp
Deploy Improved Listening Posts to a Border Zone to gain a 25% chance of generating +1 Intel report for powers on that border. (pick border zone, Cardassian already taken), 25pp
Acquire additional resources for Starfleet Intelligence Gathering, 70pp (Gain +1 Intel Report per year)
UPDATED Acquire additional resources to establish a Horizon Desk for Starfleet Intel, 30pp (Gain +1 Dedicated Horizon intel report, enables Foreign Analysis)
UPDATED Acquire additional resources to establish an ISC Desk for Starfleet Intel, 30pp (Gain +1 Dedicated ISC intel report, enables Foreign Analysis)
Declare a Horizon Border Zone, 20pp
Declare a Seyek Border Zone (Seyek-Cardassian Border), 20pp
Declare a Rimward Border Zone (Dawiar border, some Caitian colonies, some Themis), 20pp
Split the SBZ into an Sydraxian Border Zone and an Yrillian Border Zone, 20pp
NEW Develop Leas Akaam Medical Centre for 20pp, 8 turns
NEW Develop Celos Medical Centre for 20pp, 8 turns
Federation Grading:
Current Minimum Science = 100 [Now 231]
Current Maximum Combat = 455 [Now 278] *
(Maximum Combat is a Soft cap, will gain +1 Militarisation per 5% of cap over - Each point of Threat Level adds 5% to Max Combat)
Minimum Concurrent 5 Year Missions = 4
Current Militarisation Level = 0
Current Federation Threat Level = 15
* Will start calculating necessary discounts when you get closer to the cap
Council Objectives:
200 Science by 2321 [231] - Complete! Gain +50pp
250 Defence by 2321 [261] - Complete! Gain +50pp
Starfleet Ambitions:
Maintain a strong Forward Defense.
- (Complete at least six Forward Defense technologies, put a Starbase in every Border Zone, and complete the first slide of Foreign Analysis Research for both the Harmony of Horizon and the Klingon Empire.)
- FD "technologies" means 6 full slides.
Federation Council:
President - Arsharra N'Gir, Development Faction
Currently Known Others Possible Members:
Bajorians 114/100 - Affiliate Status impossible [Cardassian Patronage]
Yrillians 360/100 - Affiliate Membership Internally + Externally Obstructed, but lines of dialogue opened
Dawiar 101/100 - Affiliate Status impossible [Cardassian Client]
Gretarians 135/100 - Affiliate status blocked externally and internally, but the obstacles are being slowly removed
Dylaarians 60/100
Hishmeri 64/100
Sydraxians 90/100
Lamarck 100/100 - Not yet advanced enough
Sotaw 35/100
Licori 35/100 + 17 = 52/100 - Affiliate Status impossible [Recently at war]
Ittick-ka 54/100
Lecarrens -30/100
Konen - x/100
Goshawnar - x/100
Major Powers
Romulan Star Empire - Treaty of Mars
Klingon Empire - Khitomer Accords
Cardassian Union - Treaty of Celos
Ferengi - Limited
Interstellar Commonwealth - Embassy deepening ties
Harmony of Horizon - Negative beginnings
For people who don't have discord - don't be too alarmed. By and large, when I'm putting things up on Discord but not here, it means that I am actively working on a post and don't want to faff about with clearing the threadmark textbox.
@OneirosTheWriter the 508 available to spend do not seem to include the 100pp for the science and defence targets? Do those only become available next year?
@OneirosTheWriter the 508 available to spend do not seem to include the 100pp for the science and defence targets? Do those only become available next year?
1) We could build an E-A equivalent significantly lighter these days too. 1500kt cruiser frames are pretty awesome. Explorers are always fluffier for a given stat than anything else.
2) If multiple ships jump a single ship, due to the combat engine unless that single ship is incredibly badass it loses. And no, an Amby is not badass enough.
I'll drop this if you give me one thing:
A Garentee that the E-A and eventuall E-B/Enlightenment(?) can compete favorably against enemy battleships, especially ones that are meant to compete favorably against the Ambassador.
The Excelsior design is canonical refittable enough that a properly refit Excelsior can tangle with Ben Sisko's Pimp Hand and have reasonable chance of success. Don't bother arguing we can't keep it up to date with refits, show canon says otherwise.
The stock Kaldar is down a point of C, two points of S, a point of L and a point of D from the stock Excelsior. The refit isn't likely to add as much as the Excelsior refit did because they've got less room to work with and the Excelsior has insane refit potential.
And an E-A is at a substantial edge over a Lorgot. Same C, but better S, H, L and D. A Lorgot refit would have a better chance - but there's no sign such a thing exists.
Canon refit ridiculousness is obviously not going to be a thing with weight playing a factor, the Connie-B basicly being a Dead-end offshoot while we had Connie-As in the dominion wars.
While the Excelsior may be around in one form or anouther, I doubt we'll have her able to compete with a Cruiser or Dedicated attack Frigate like the Defiant.
Yes, that is the same Admiral who got ousted at the start of the game. I'm sure having him on the Council with some of the people who kicked him out will be interesting.
Time to break out a round of applause for another old veteran of the Council. Expansionist Party leader Rob Langford of Earth has conceded victory to the Pacifist candidate Trina Bettelheim in a shock upset.
Time to break out a round of applause for another old veteran of the Council. Expansionist Party leader Rob Langford of Earth has conceded victory to the Pacifist candidate Trina Bettelheim in a shock upset.
@OneirosTheWriter the 508 available to spend do not seem to include the 100pp for the science and defence targets? Do those only become available next year?
RIP Langford. In other news, Rogers seems like he'll echo a lot of the problems people have been having with N'Gir IC. Like, there's no way he'd be okay with delaying the counterattack because it'd be bad optics for the election.
