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Speaking for myself:Okay, a few things I want to comment on.
1) I don't get why people are suddenly so outraged at the Cardassians. This is, like, possibly the least atrocious or underhanded offensive action they've taken against us. They destroyed one of our cruisers in a mutually recognized free fire zone and captured its crew. We would have done the same if we happened to get the drop on a lone Jaldun.
2) While I would love to believe that the Konen are plotting to weaken the Cardassian military to the point where they can betray them and regain independence, I really, really doubt it. In recent months, we have learned that the Konen are both very smart and very good at being stealthy. Surely, they would realize that their plan is more likely to work if we know about it and cooperate with them from the beginning, and their stealth and telepathy would enable them to communicate it with us covertly. The fact that they have not told us about such a plan is fairly strong evidence that they don't have one.
3) If the prisoners are still being held anywhere within the GBZ by the time our fleet gets to them, then that means they're being used as bait. If I were Hybor or his Cardassian counterpart and I wasn't planning to use the prisoners as bait, I'd have them shipped as far from the front lines as I could, as fast as I could. Either they're being kept in a supermax deep in established Ashalla space, or there's a million Jalduns hiding in a sensor-proof gas cloud near the GBZ starbase that's holding them.
1) I'm entirely not outraged at the Cardassians and Konen over them blowing up our spaceship. If not for the fact that I expect them to brutally torture the crew, I would feel literally zero outrage over the whole affair. Now, I want to kick the Cardassians so hard the universe cracks and they literally get knocked into the middle of next week... but I already wanted to do that anyway; this is just a good reason to move it up on my to-do list.
2) Yeah, probably. The main reason it was even worth bothering to speculate about is because it's funny. That said, bear in mind that the Konen might well have no faith in our ability to keep the secret from the Obsidian Order or the Lecarre. If they think of us as a bunch of idealistic, heavily armed rubes, "useful idiot" is a fairly plausible way they might try to take advantage of our presence.
3) Yeah, very possibly. If the prisoners are out of the GBZ, the plan for me reverts to something like "well, let's see if they think bushwhacking our ships and torturing the crews is such a great plan if we retaliate with a massive offensive that beats the snot out of them in the GBZ and probably takes like eight prisoners for each of ours. Also gives us a high probability of outright breaking any trap they care to set for us.
A political process in which you fire your general if they try to rescue prisoners captured in a war zone promptly, when the enemy is known for torturing prisoners, because the enemy happened to capture those prisoners two or three weeks before Election Day, is a deeply flawed process.This is a Council Norm, as Oneiros said. You can't pin this on the cat, just the political process in general.
In this case, I've got enough contempt for the 'game' for some of it to splash onto the 'players.' N'Gir is the most conspicuous one, but I'd lose a lot of respect for Stesk if he did the same thing for the same reasons.
For me, the complaint is that we were forced to, in effect, give up hope for a quick rescue of the prisoners. That was receiving considerable support, and the reason it recieved LESS than outstanding support seems to be due to the promise of an 80% chance of punishment by N'Gir, with a 40% chance of her outright sacking the head of Starfleet.This is why I brought up Stesk -- in a similar situation it's highly likely he'd do the same. It's less to do with the free-fire zone and more with Nash wanting to rush so bad to get prisoners that she's literally not willing to extend the window of operations a few weeks until after the elections. Which might be fair with prisoners, but like... the thread resoundingly instead voted to wait for a larger strike based more on retaliation, anyways. I don't think prisoner rescue really got brought up until that had firmly snowballed. And like, N'Gir is fine with this? We're fine with this? What's the complaint?
We accepted the delayed attack en masse partly because reinforcements are good, but also partly because we were outright told that Starfleet would get treated like a naughty child and spanked for attacking promptly, regardless of the military merits of doing so, because of the political riskiness of a prompt attack shortly before the election.
She's abrasive and mean-spirited every time we meet her; I think that has more to do it than anything concrete that she does.SHE HASN'T EVEN DONE ANYTHING SUBSTANTIAL TO US
I DON'T GET IT
We voted that way largely to avoid a spanking, which does little for our liking of the person who threatened the spanking.We're not at war. The homefront is at peace and we're not in an SOE. There's no need for large-scale offensives right away; indeed we voted not to anyways to get extra time to gather forces and really bring the hammer down.
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