The Phoenixian
The Glacier Witch
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- My own little world
KB: For millennia, nothing! And now three entirely different kinds of foreknowledge, in a single month!
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Motile Mollusc
Bitten by a radioactive were-tilde
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- Here
KB: "Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit drinking."
*jumps into a barrel of wine*
With this worry in mind, how likely is it that telling her of the experiment and it's potential significance will also pressure her into agreeing?
Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
Short SCIENCE! added; last line and second line rewording accepted.
For the Greater Good.
Now checking Phoenix's ideas...
EDIT: Making sure Mami's OK before asking to experiment with this later?
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The Narrator
Disembodied Voice
- Location
- Somewhere Offscreen
The correct response is "no comment". Let him wonder. We're not obligated to satisfy its curiosity.
Asking Kyubey to put us in contact with Kuroki is pretty much the only lead we have left for finding her. We need to make use of this opportunity. We've already discussed wanting to find her in the open; the bunny-cat's out of the bag.
Liquid grief will still be here this afternoon. We don't have any pressing need for it. Let's not waste time that we could use finding and saving a girl that we've been looking for for days.
So it is; my mistake. Still, even a 75% reduction in mind-wipes is still a lot, given we have a habit of flying over city centers; we can do better.
The Narrator
Disembodied Voice
- Location
- Somewhere Offscreen
Compared to when Kyubey made tens of thousands of people forget a magical war in the middle of Sendai, you wouldn't think that our flying around would be that much work for him. Most people don't look up very often.
Making our MOF sky-colored or even actively camouflaged (and remember that we have been able to make grief invisible before, it just feels witchy, which isn't a factor when hiding things from mundanes) should drop the number of people noticing it to almost nil.
Making our MOF sky-colored or even actively camouflaged (and remember that we have been able to make grief invisible before, it just feels witchy, which isn't a factor when hiding things from mundanes) should drop the number of people noticing it to almost nil.
- Location
- The Surface Of A Hostile Planet
Very this. If QB can twitch its furry tail and re-enact the repair scene from Fantastic Beasts, then I'm really not concerned about the two or so people he'd need to bamboozle if we made our grief platform mostly sky blue from below.
Hell, he's probably just hacking and modifying radar signals live instead of bothering to mindwipe people and modify records - it's likely less effort, and you'd need a hell of an argument to convince me that the galaxy traveling alien hasn't utterly dominated our puny human computer systems.
- Location
- The Surface Of A Hostile Planet
Instead of the MOF, use Grief to fly like Superman.
Then it will be more ironic when Sayaka turns against us and tells us we can't put the world in a bottle.
"No, look, all I need to do is warp space to fit it in my barrier and I totally can!"
"... you're making this dramatic confrontation difficult, Sabrina."
"No, but look, I'll show yo-" *piledrivered by like a bajillion Sayaklones*
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Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
Sabrina lies down on the ground. Broken.
Defeated.
An exhausted and battered Mami kneels beside her, cradling the white haired's head in her lap.
Sabrina tears her teary eyes away from Mami's to look up beyond her, at Sayaka's sorrowful, yet determined visage.
"How..." she whispers, "how did you manage to take me down? I was a God."
The bleunette sighs tiredly, before shaking her head. "God or not..."
She glares down at the couple.
"You are under arrest."
The would be God doesn't resist as the Sayaklones lift her from the ground and handcuff her -Mami almost lets herself be taken just as easily, but she struggles and clings to Sabrina.
The Sayaklones' expressions soften, and they let her be. Mami's hands tie themselves around the white haired girl, tighter than any handcuff would hold them.
An extra squad of Sayaklones arrives to reinforce the already present group, though, just in case.
Sabrina's eyes slid over the cratered ground as she's taken. The Sayaklones lead her to a police car, one of them opening the door.
She stops suddenly, the Sayaklone leading her giving her a questioning look.
Blue eyes meet blue, but Sabrina's turn away, looking at the one she knows is the original.
Sayaka startles almost imperceptibly as Sabrina's gaze zeroes in on her.
"Where did I go wrong?" asks the caucassian girl.
Sayaka grins gloomily.
"I guess... when you allowed me to amass this much power," she motions around herself, at herself.
Sabrina shakes her head, looking down at Mami, who returns her stare with a smile.
"No... that's where I went right."
Together, Sabrina and Mami get into the back of the police car, leaving the dumbfounded Sayaklones to catch up.
Sayaka rubs at her eyes, smiling.
"Take them away."
- Location
- The Surface Of A Hostile Planet
"I copied Kirika's antimagic, then stacked like a billion applications of it at once. The magic amplification powers helped too."
"Oh."
"Git gud, scrublord."
Meanwhile (given certain interpretations of temporal mechanics), in a certain devil's barrier:
"You're under arrest!"
"...darn."
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- Location
- Voidbetweenstars
The Phoenixian
The Glacier Witch
- Location
- My own little world
My thoughts here are, she can't feel pressure to agree with what Sabrina doesn't broach.
Yes, basically. I just want to make very sure that Sabrina doesn't accidentally pressure Mami. I think her engaging with the choice is important, but if it's that bad... there's a point where I don't want to take risks.
My issue isn't just contacting Kuroki, it's asking about her in general. This isn't a concern about what I didn't keep in, but one discussing what I did keep in.
:/
*eyetwitch*
... There is no dichotomy here. Speaking for myself, I'm largely interested in its on-contact and inherent properties. (especially optical properties but also in general) The latter is either notable at glance, or can be toyed with at leisure. The former can be done by sticking things in a bowl of grief to take with us. This is designed to be an experiment that can run in the background.
And frankly, if we do get info, I expect we'll be too busy this morning to do anything other than refer it to Masami and Hiroko.
- Location
- Blocksberg
Wait a second...
Depending on how you interpret this statement, he could be implying that Kuroki is still alive.
hmmmm...
Depending on how you interpret this statement, he could be implying that Kuroki is still alive.
The Narrator
Disembodied Voice
- Location
- Somewhere Offscreen
If we contact the stealthgucas and their need isn't urgent, then we make appointments to meet later. We'll have that luxury because we'll know the situation is stable.
If we contact the stealthgucas and their need is urgent, then meeting Kyouko will probably have to wait until the afternoon. It's not like she'll have other commitments. We can let the Asunaronians enjoy a local tourist attraction while we do that, if need be.
Notice that he qualified his statement by saying she couldn't develop strong enchantment "without guidance." Not that she hadn't developed it. (Also, Sayaka learned enchantment in basically no time, so...)
Suggestion:
[X] Apologize profusely, and explain what you just did.
-[X] If Mami seems fine, properly ask Mami if she's okay helping you test it later this afternoon.
[X] Ask Kyuubey:
-[X] About Magical Girls and immortality.
-[X] Can it put us in contact with Kuroki Matsuko and Hideyoshi Nao?
-[X] If you can contact the girls, give them the standard Grief Cleansing talk, and try to arrange meetings.
[X] Keep the Utility Fog, and rethink how much Grief you can carry around inconspicuously.
-[X] Give Grief to KB if necessary.
-[X] Test to see if creating heat/current/gravity with your nanoparticles requires trance time or not. Test to see if your nanoparticles can intercept a thrown summoned hammer.
-[X] As an olive branch, offer to use sky-coloring or active camouflage on your MOF in the future to lower your visibility.
[X] Kasamino time!
-[X] Invite the girls to a quick brunch if you've got time.
-[X] Talk about Sayaka: Opinions, payment... schedules, if necessary?
-[X] Ask Yuma about how the first KyouSaya meeting went.
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SaltyWaffles
I am dissapoint, son
- Pronouns
- He/Him
I think his wording implied that she's still alive.
Gonna need a citation on that. Because he seems to be doing this because he found a solution that is mutually beneficial to both parties. We should encourage this behavior, rather than have him think of us as "irrationally uncooperative and spiteful". Yes, Kyubey can help us out, so long as we take care to ask all of the necessary questions beforehand (we can trust the letter of his words, but not necessarily the spirit of them).
That is a terrible way to conduct a long-term business relationship.
Like, I get that you hate Kyubey and don't trust him. But put that irrationality aside--we're stuck with Kyubey for the foreseeable future (and beyond, really). We're centuries away from being able to actively and concretely resist/oppose him in a meaningful way that wouldn't hurt us more than it would hurt him. Thus, we should endeavor to have a positive business relationship with him, and the easiest way to do that is by starting out on the right foot.
So far, no one has caught Kyubey is a blatant, flat-out lie. And Kyubey is not the type to screw over people who could be more useful to his goals by being cooperative with. Kyubey knows that we're already suspicious of him. Him betraying even our tentative trust in him would be a very stupid move on his part, since it would lead to permanent outright hostility.
Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
I... gah, there's no 'good will' with KB. Anything we can offer it is either worthless, or something it wants.
There's also no 'offending' KB. As long as we don't start cutting into its profits, we're fine with him.
As long as we have something it wants, that's all the good we're good for it. And it'll work to get us to cooperate if that's what it needs to do. We really, really shouldn't offer KB anything for free; we should always get something back for any effort we put into furthering KB's goals.
[X] Apologize profusely, make sure Mami's OK, and explain what you just did.
-[X] If Mami seems fine, properly ask Mami if she's okay helping you test it later this afternoon.
[X] Ask Kyuubey:
-[X] About Magical Girls and immortality.
-[X] Can it put us in contact with Kuroki Matsuko and Hideyoshi Nao?
-[X] If you can contact the girls, give them the standard Grief Cleansing talk, and try to arrange meetings.
[X] Keep the Utility Fog, and rethink how much Grief you can carry around inconspicuously.
-[X] Give Grief to KB if necessary.
-[X] Test to see if creating heat/current/gravity with your nanoparticles requires trance time or not. Test to see if your nanoparticles can intercept a thrown summoned hammer.
[X] Kasamino time!
-[X] Invite the girls to a quick brunch if you've got time.
-[X] Talk about Sayaka: Opinions, payment... schedules, if necessary?
-[X] Ask Yuma about how the first KyouSaya meeting went.
There's also no 'offending' KB. As long as we don't start cutting into its profits, we're fine with him.
As long as we have something it wants, that's all the good we're good for it. And it'll work to get us to cooperate if that's what it needs to do. We really, really shouldn't offer KB anything for free; we should always get something back for any effort we put into furthering KB's goals.
[X] Apologize profusely, make sure Mami's OK, and explain what you just did.
-[X] If Mami seems fine, properly ask Mami if she's okay helping you test it later this afternoon.
[X] Ask Kyuubey:
-[X] About Magical Girls and immortality.
-[X] Can it put us in contact with Kuroki Matsuko and Hideyoshi Nao?
-[X] If you can contact the girls, give them the standard Grief Cleansing talk, and try to arrange meetings.
[X] Keep the Utility Fog, and rethink how much Grief you can carry around inconspicuously.
-[X] Give Grief to KB if necessary.
-[X] Test to see if creating heat/current/gravity with your nanoparticles requires trance time or not. Test to see if your nanoparticles can intercept a thrown summoned hammer.
[X] Kasamino time!
-[X] Invite the girls to a quick brunch if you've got time.
-[X] Talk about Sayaka: Opinions, payment... schedules, if necessary?
-[X] Ask Yuma about how the first KyouSaya meeting went.
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- Location
- The Surface Of A Hostile Planet
I'mma stop you right there. Extracting any implications from QB's words beyond the literal truth is a suckers game.
That said, yes, getting QB to treat us as a (semi)rational actor is likely to be more pleasant for us than him treating us as an unpredictable variable to be eliminated. Right up until the sudden but inevitable betrayal for the sake of Madoka's sweet potential, anyway.
Other than a controlled Madowish, you mean?
The Narrator
Disembodied Voice
- Location
- Somewhere Offscreen
EDIT: Never mind, already fixed.
Good thinking. Edited. Although I almost feel like we should wait to ask at all until after school when we can talk to Mami about it face-to-face.
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Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
That's my point, yes.
What Sayaka's doing isn't enchantment. It's a natural manifestation of her powers.
If her gems were enchantments, well, first, she'd need something to enchant, she wouldn't be popping out gems out of nowhere, but more important, other meguca would be able to use them, too.
- Location
- The Surface Of A Hostile Planet
A suggestion, @Onmur.
[X] Apologize profusely, make sure Mami's OK, and explain what you just did.
-[X] If Mami seems fine, properly ask Mami if she's okay helping you test it later this afternoon.
[X] Ask Kyuubey:
-[X] About Magical Girls and immortality.
-[X] Can it put us in contact with Kuroki Matsuko and Hideyoshi Nao?
-[X] If you can contact the girls, give them the standard Grief Cleansing talk, and try to arrange meetings.
[X] Keep the Utility Fog, and rethink how much Grief you can carry around inconspicuously.
-[X] Give Grief to KB if necessary.
-[X] Test to see if creating heat/current/gravity with your nanoparticles requires trance time or not. Test to see if your nanoparticles can intercept a thrown summoned hammer.
[X] Kasamino time!
-[X] Invite the girls to a quick brunch if you've got time.
-[X] Ask about how unpleasant the dispersed nanogrief actually is to non-you megucas.
-[X] Talk about Sayaka: Opinions, payment... schedules, if necessary?
-[X] Ask Yuma about how the first KyouSaya meeting went.
And yes, this. That's not enchantment at all, it's her power having a built in storage mechanism. (Which is entirely on point with Magical Girl theming for shows with collectible macguffins. Way to stay in-genre, Sayaka!)
[X] Apologize profusely, make sure Mami's OK, and explain what you just did.
-[X] If Mami seems fine, properly ask Mami if she's okay helping you test it later this afternoon.
[X] Ask Kyuubey:
-[X] About Magical Girls and immortality.
-[X] Can it put us in contact with Kuroki Matsuko and Hideyoshi Nao?
-[X] If you can contact the girls, give them the standard Grief Cleansing talk, and try to arrange meetings.
[X] Keep the Utility Fog, and rethink how much Grief you can carry around inconspicuously.
-[X] Give Grief to KB if necessary.
-[X] Test to see if creating heat/current/gravity with your nanoparticles requires trance time or not. Test to see if your nanoparticles can intercept a thrown summoned hammer.
[X] Kasamino time!
-[X] Invite the girls to a quick brunch if you've got time.
-[X] Ask about how unpleasant the dispersed nanogrief actually is to non-you megucas.
-[X] Talk about Sayaka: Opinions, payment... schedules, if necessary?
-[X] Ask Yuma about how the first KyouSaya meeting went.
And yes, this. That's not enchantment at all, it's her power having a built in storage mechanism. (Which is entirely on point with Magical Girl theming for shows with collectible macguffins. Way to stay in-genre, Sayaka!)
The Narrator
Disembodied Voice
- Location
- Somewhere Offscreen
I'm not so sure that's the case. If this ribbon thing means that it's possible to have global grief control, then that would mean that we can potentially neuter his operations on Earth.
I thought she was using something. I'm gonna go check the archive.
- Location
- The Surface Of A Hostile Planet
Nope. They explicitly pop out of nothing. (Or, well, pure magic.)
The actual enchantment Sayaka was working on was a magical rolodex for all those gems, and that had materials, which is probably what confused you. (And I'll note that project wasn't going anywhere near as well.)
Karnewarrior
Leastmost of the Hanged Man Arcana
Or increase his efficiency. Which would be a very good thing, considering we'd be able to save more magical girls because Kyuubey would be assisting us, and he gets to slow the eventual heat death of the universe, which is not a bad goal.
Remember, Kyuubey is a paperclip machine. If we offer a better way of collecting grief, then Kyuubey will be our ally for as long as that remains true. Another reason I'd like to get in touch with his scientists and see if they have some theoretical form of grief we might be able to construct.
Remember, Kyuubey is a paperclip machine. If we offer a better way of collecting grief, then Kyuubey will be our ally for as long as that remains true. Another reason I'd like to get in touch with his scientists and see if they have some theoretical form of grief we might be able to construct.